[PASSED] Repeal "Condemn Kknight"

[Fauxia]

Only a few more approvals needed

[Cheeksam]

Support.

[Fauxia]

Support.

Good. We still need a few more approvals.

[Lord Dominator]

Happily enough, this has reached quorum exactly, and with only 12 hours to go on the proposal at vote.

[Otaku Stratus]

I will never understand this "raiders see condemnations as badges of honor" crap. Murderers and thieves rap about their crimes all the time, it's a badge of honor for them. Doesn't mean we should wipe their criminal record (or, appropriately, "rap sheet") clean.

[Kaboomlandia]

I will never understand this "raiders see condemnations as badges of honor" crap. Murderers and thieves rap about their crimes all the time, it's a badge of honor for them. Doesn't mean we should wipe their criminal record (or, appropriately, "rap sheet") clean.

It's not wiping their criminal record. It's getting rid of the condemnation so they can't parade it.

[Akrutia]

Pardon me if I seem a bit slow, but let me get this straight: you acknowledge that this "Kknight" person is a raider who has done very, very naughty things in the past, YET you still want to repeal his/her condemnation by the WA Security Council. Am I correct on this?

[Raionitu]

Pardon me if I seem a bit slow, but let me get this straight: you acknowledge that this "Kknight" person is a raider who has done very, very naughty things in the past, YET you still want to repeal his/her condemnation by the WA Security Council. Am I correct on this?

This kinda ties in with the badge of honor thing, so I'll address it all at once. Condemnations are badges of honor, there's no denying that at this point. The problem is that Kknight, along with the others whose condemnations were recently repealed, did much of their raiding with a tool that broke site rules. We don't want to give them a badge for breaking site rules, it is like giving approval to rule breaking and sends the wrong message to newer raiders who are looking at condemned raiders for an example. Raiding legally for a long time very well should be condemned to congratulate them on all they did. Breaking site rules should not.

[Rammeludia]

The problem is that Kknight, along with the others whose condemnations were recently repealed, did much of their raiding with a tool that broke site rules.

The amount of my use of Predator to raid compared to my total raiding is very small. Please speak on topics you do know.

[Twilight Imperium]

The problem is that Kknight, along with the others whose condemnations were recently repealed, did much of their raiding with a tool that broke site rules.

The amount of my use of Predator to raid compared to my total raiding is very small. Please speak on topics you do know.

You do know that the more you come in here and talk vaguely about how much these guys don't know, the more likely this is to pass, right?

[Rammeludia]

I support the removal of all SC matters. I hope this will pass

Good. I even offered the author stamps to campaign if it doesn't look like it will pass.

And not sure how I'm being vague.

[Twilight Imperium]

I support the removal of all SC matters. I hope this will pass

Good. I even offered the author stamps to campaign if it doesn't look like it will pass.

And not sure how I'm being vague.

You're kidding, right? Basically everything you've said here has been the equivalent of "you know nothing John Snow". If the author has specific facts wrong, tell us. Otherwise you're wasting electrons.

[Rammeludia]

Shocked that during the April 2015 recruitment scandal for The Black Riders that led to the obliteration of the nations General Halcones and Bob Moran, Kknight was involved but was not sanctioned by the international community,

If you're going to collect facts, be sure to get them right. I had no involvement at all with the recruitment. What so ever.

This is the only thing I said the author had wrong. I said I had no involvement. Because I didn't.
My other comment about using reliable sources is just that. If you are going to use a source that hates the person they are informing on, you might get some bad information. I didn't say all of that information was in this resolution.

The problem is that Kknight, along with the others whose condemnations were recently repealed, did much of their raiding with a tool that broke site rules.

The amount of my use of Predator to raid compared to my total raiding is very small. Please speak on topics you do know.

And then for facts on this, I only really used Predator towards the beginning of its creation. My involvement in the reincarnation of DEN was basically housekeeping. I participated in very few raids, due to RL.

Still not sure how what I said was vague. I saw I falsity, and said I wasn't involved with it. I saw another commit that made it sound like majority of my raiding career was done using Predator, and I stated it was not. Pretty straight forward.

[The Chan Islanders]

First time I have ever (ever) voted for taking a badge away from somebody. Condemnations are a badge of honor for raiders to aspire to- and like all badges of honor, they should not gotten for cheating.

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

FARW will not extend forgiveness to any entity that intentionally raided anarchist or atheist communities.

We are voting against this repeal.

[Willania Imperium]

FARW will not extend forgiveness to any entity that intentionally raided anarchist or atheist communities.

We are voting against this repeal.

It's not "extending forgiveness" to the raider, but taking away an award they got due to their cheating. They utilize an illegal script tool to gain their ill-gotten prizes. As such, it is not right to grant them these condemnations, especially since it is widely considered as "badges of honor" for their work. As such, we cannot allow their criminal actions to be rewarded.

[Fauxia]

FARW will not extend forgiveness to any entity that intentionally raided anarchist or atheist communities.

We are voting against this repeal.

It's not "extending forgiveness" to the raider, but taking away an award they got due to their cheating. They utilize an illegal script tool to gain their ill-gotten prizes. As such, it is not right to grant them these condemnations, especially since it is widely considered as "badges of honor" for their work. As such, we cannot allow their criminal actions to be rewarded.

Didn't you disagree with this thinking like two weeks ago? Then again, I did a week before that...

[Abhichandra]

Repeal "Condemn Kknight" was passed 11,209 votes to 2,551.

[Kaboomlandia]

Three down, one to go!

[Drasnia]

Congrats again.

I wonder where this puts you in terms of # of passed resolutions among other authors.

EDIT: Word Choice

[Kaboomlandia]

Congrats again.

I wonder where this puts you in terms of # of passed resolutions and other authors.

I know that in Europeia, I trail only Mouse, Vinage, and Elias. If we only count the SC I trail only Elias within Europeia.

I'm at 5 1/2 SC resolutions right now so I don't know where that puts me.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Good work, Kaboom!