[DEFEATED] Against Political Discrimination

[Chus Kruthe]

"Theodemocracies on the other hand...hmm...as long as you don't prohibit segments of your population from voting or running for elected office because of their religious beliefs then it should be alright. I mean...unless having one of us filthy atheists elected would be a problem in and of itself." Jason seems to remember something important as he starts to return to his seat.

"Oh, yes. Before I forget again. FOR."

This is precisely my concern, we do make those prohibitions here in Chus Kruthe. We do not permit Catholics or Orthodox Christians to run for office (or in the case of the Catholics, to vote. This has to do with our bloody war for independence which had a strong religious element). This resolution would prohibit us from practicing our long held system of government. Frankly if this passes we will change our government to a complete theocracy maybe let congregants vote to "suggest" who the church should put in charge, which would take the franchise AWAY from other Protestants here in Chus Kruthe having the reverse effect.

[Wolfhawk]

so this would resist me in dealing the the person whoes religon includes human sacrifice how?

[Imperium Anglorum]

so this would resist me in dealing the the person whoes religon includes human sacrifice how?

This wouldn't make it illegal to ban human sacrifice.

[Scherzinger]

I am a communist and a firm believer in a dictatorship. The country of Scherzinger will remain an unrestricted Dictatorship reguardless of the outcome of this proposal. Scherzinger has always been a Dictatorship, and will remain a Communist Dictatorship until the day i die.

-----Emperor Erwin Zenzefer III

[Albrenia]

An older man steps up and whispers into the ear of the Albrenian diplomat, who nods and steps up to the podium:

"The government of Albrenia has decided, after much deliberation, to vote no on this proposal. It may be well-meaning, and cause problems with the backwards ways of faith-wracked societies, but in the end it is poorly written and vague, so we must go against it."

[Deropia]

I am a communist and a firm believer in a dictatorship. The country of Scherzinger will remain an unrestricted Dictatorship reguardless of the outcome of this proposal. Scherzinger has always been a Dictatorship, and will remain a Communist Dictatorship until the day i die.

-----Emperor Erwin Zenzefer III

"Did you read the proposal or just the title? At no point does this proposal say that free and open democratic elections must be held. It merely says that if your nation is democratic you can't exclude people from voting or running for office based on religion or sexuality."

[RiderSyl]

This proposal does not meet the literary standards that we wish to see in the World Assembly. Even if enough representatives are somehow swayed by the motives behind this simply-worded proposal, it is our belief that it would be too easy for an opportunist to come along and repeal it. For those reasons, The Lovely Empire of Ridersyl is AGAINST WA Document "Against Political Discrimination".

~ WA Representative Evelyn Ikarus
on behalf of Queen Sylvia Montresor

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

Teran Saber: "as previously stated despite our disappointment in the breach of protocol, the Greater Siriusian Domain votes YES. We believe that for all its flaws, this proposal would serve its purpose until a repeal and replace effort is made to fix said flaws."

[ArstotzkaBestCountry]

THE LORD HIGH ADMINISTRATOR OF THE GLORY GREATEST COUNTRY OF ARSTOTZKA MAKES A FIRM STATEMENT TODAY.

This Blasphemous piece of paper is on many levels... just that. A piece of paper. I mean really.

This is it?

Really? I mean... really?

Is this all it takes to get a whatever we call it again up for vote? I'm rather... I don't know how to feel about this honestly. I was under the impression that things that go to vote would be... longer, at least a page. If this is all that needed be required for one of these... maybe I shall give this world assembly thing a real try... I know a "few" things that would greatly benefit military focused nations such as the GLORY GREATEST COUNTRY OF ARSTOTZKA... Ignore that, that didn't happen, you saw/heard nothing.

Anyway... back to the topic at hand. What few Elections that are still allowed within GLO- my nation would be jeopardized by the contents of this article. Do you people have any idea what the diverse religions that still remain within Arstotzka (for now... one or two more purges will eventually fix this) are like? Do you? Do you? they are NOT pleasant religions like say Islam, Christianity or Satanism. Half of them don't even have names, but they most certainly have agendas that will be the end of my GLORY GREATEST COUNTRY OF ARSTOTZKA... sigh...

My nation usually sides with the region of which it is settled within, but today is an exception, this proposal is more useful as toilet paper than a proposal.

[Bananaistan]

"As is the long standing policy of Bananaistan, we have voted against as it regulates only the actions of democracies."

- Ted

[Mitch01]

If you voted against this bill just because it's short and doesn't follow traditional syntax, you're a complete idiot for focusing on form and not substance.
If you voted against this bill because you disagree with the idea that personal matters should not impede your participation in democracy, I insist that you imagine if YOU were barred from voting because of your opinions or personal characteristics.

[The Chan Islanders]

I usually vote deliberately for the evil sounding option.

Voting against fits perfectly into it, so thanks for really making me do an especially terrible thing in an online forum today

[Templar Republic]

Your Excellencies,

Seeing that this resolution is in accordance with our fundamental law, and increases both civil and political rights, we vote for.

Sincerely yours.

[Potted Plants United]

OOC: I have added replies to concerns raised since this got to vote (and possibly right before it did), into the first post of the thread.

If this doesn't pass this time around, I'll have to do some campaigning...

[Albrenia]

If you voted against this bill just because it's short and doesn't follow traditional syntax, you're a complete idiot for focusing on form and not substance.
If you voted against this bill because you disagree with the idea that personal matters should not impede your participation in democracy, I insist that you imagine if YOU were barred from voting because of your opinions or personal characteristics.

With an annoying smirk on his face, the Albrenian representative speaks:

"Thank you for the personal attacks. Albrenia voted against this bill since the idea of a Theocratic Democracy with an athiest High Priest was not amusing enough to warrant this loophole-ridden mess coming into place."

"Should it pass though, we will happily attend any party set for the first Godless Pope."

[ArstotzkaBestCountry]

If you voted against this bill just because it's short and doesn't follow traditional syntax, you're a complete idiot for focusing on form and not substance.
If you voted against this bill because you disagree with the idea that personal matters should not impede your participation in democracy, I insist that you imagine if YOU were barred from voting because of your opinions or personal characteristics.

A FIRM RESPONSE FROM HIS LORD HIGH ADMINISTRATOR OF GLORY GREATEST COUNTRY OF ARSTOTZKA.

This would be a declaration of war, if I didn't know better, which of course according to your logic I don't, thankfully your logic isn't the standard in my nation.

[Wrapper]

If you voted against this bill just because it's short and doesn't follow traditional syntax, you're a complete idiot for focusing on form and not substance.

This blurs the line between in-character indignity and out-of-character flaming. Cool it with the name-calling.

[Malayan Singapura]

This is at vote. we need more citizens of freedom loving regions to squash the supremacists that plague our fair lands. We need this bill. And anyone who doesn't agree, I would like him or her to try and reverse human progress. For a better NationStates !

[ArstotzkaBestCountry]

This is at vote. we need more citizens of freedom loving regions to squash the supremacists that plague our fair lands. We need this bill. And anyone who doesn't agree, I would like him or her to try and reverse human progress. For a better NationStates !

Is this a challenge?

[Sterkistan]

Harmony Milvati takes the stand.
"While we agree that Governments should stay away from sexuality, religion and personal opinions, we are against this issue due to how this may affect the rules in our criminal justice system, we deny our criminals the right to participate in democracy. To collect evidence in such we delve into their very personal, private lives. This places us at a disagreement to this resolution. Thank you."
She takes her seat.

[Lauchenoiria]

"While this is not the best written resolution, we agree with the principles of the matter, and as such Lauchenoiria is voting for"

[Despoticania]

The Despoticanian ambassador, Stephanie S. Nemes, gives the following statement:

"Pathetic. Despoticania will most definitely vote against this poorly disguised attempt to undermine the authority of the glorious Despot. We will not give up our right to decide who is or is not fit to participate in politics."

[Uan aa Boa]

Uan aa Boa stands opposed. This proposal is incoherent for lack of definitions. It says it wishes to protect matters such as sexuality and religion, but what do these have in common besides a history of attracting discrimination? It's far too vague, we genuinely can't tell what this does and doesn't protect.

We also do not think we should be obligated to afford a platform to Violetists, hatespeakers and other bigots in the name of religion.

[The Manticoran Empire]

This legislation, while being a step in the right direction, in its current form is EXTREMELY vague. It leaves a great deal of room for abuses. Should religions that practice human sacrifice be legal? I think not. There should be much more care and thought put into a proposal such as this.

[Thermodolia]

If you voted against this bill just because it's short and doesn't follow traditional syntax, you're a complete idiot for focusing on form and not substance.
If you voted against this bill because you disagree with the idea that personal matters should not impede your participation in democracy, I insist that you imagine if YOU were barred from voting because of your opinions or personal characteristics.

"Ambassador our government has national security reasons for wanting to ban those who follow certain religious practices from public office." Eve said staring the ambassador down, "If your nation was under attack from and had bombing carried out by these particular religious groups you'd understand why. But it seems that you haven't."