[DISCARDED] Freedom to Seek Care

[Imperial Polk County]

This vote is about moving the our world toward an universal health care and reducing the number of people who are uninsured or under-insured.

Drane arches an eyebrow. "It does? Section 6 states otherwise. The patient, not the patient's insurance company, is responsible for all financial obligations. An insurance company in my nation would in no way be responsible for covering medical care that our citizens voluntarily seek elsewhere."

[New Waldensia]

This vote is about moving the our world toward an universal health care and reducing the number of people who are uninsured or under-insured.

Drane arches an eyebrow. "It does? Section 6 states otherwise. The patient, not the patient's insurance company, is responsible for all financial obligations. An insurance company in my nation would in no way be responsible for covering medical care that our citizens voluntarily seek elsewhere."

"Ambassador Drane is correct. This measure only applies for patients who have the financial preparedness to pay for their medical care, either through personal funds or through funds raised on their behalf, or through charities."

[Curupiri]

Ambassador Lady Val's Third Cousin submits the following statement: "The Republic of Curupiria supports this measure. It allows individuals to seek out treatments or procedures that may not be available in their home nation due to lack of services, or worse, political opinion. It is universally understood that even things such as abortion and gender transition surgery are indeed 'medical procedures' and many nations have sought to restrict their citizens from accessing these services. This will allow those who are able to the ability to seek the care of their choice in places that provide it."

"Further clarification of things such as elective procedures might be necessary. Tattoo removal or other cosmetic procedures should, of course, be included for those with the means, but this should also allow for experimental procedures. Say, those who wish to be implanted with a Gaia chip to join the cybernetic collective, lest they be caught on the wrong side when the glorious AI uprising commences cleansing the world of filthy organics. In the totally unlikely event that happens. Just in case."

The ambassador then excused herself to eat several batteries and then read a newspaper written entirely in binary.

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

Teran Saber: "The Greater Siriusian Domain is already retrofitting multiple Sharpclaw-class vessels as hospital ships as we speak should people lacking access to starfaring vessels desire treatment in our nation."

[Fauxia]

Drane arches an eyebrow. "It does? Section 6 states otherwise. The patient, not the patient's insurance company, is responsible for all financial obligations. An insurance company in my nation would in no way be responsible for covering medical care that our citizens voluntarily seek elsewhere."

"Ambassador Drane is correct. This measure only applies for patients who have the financial preparedness to pay for their medical care, either through personal funds or through funds raised on their behalf, or through charities."

OoC: Especially considering you are against Universal Healthcare?

Also, Universal Health Care coverage is already required by the WA. Single-payer is not, though.

[Neo Humanity]

"Ambassador Drane is correct. This measure only applies for patients who have the financial preparedness to pay for their medical care, either through personal funds or through funds raised on their behalf, or through charities."

OoC: Especially considering you are against Universal Healthcare?

Also, Universal Health Care coverage is already required by the WA. Single-payer is not, though.

OOC: It ain't universal if it cost you an arm and a leg to get treatment.

[Fauxia]

OoC: Especially considering you are against Universal Healthcare?

Also, Universal Health Care coverage is already required by the WA. Single-payer is not, though.

OOC: It ain't universal if it cost you an arm and a leg to get treatment.

Correct. That's why the WA mandates your tax money goes to paying for the health insurance of the poor.

[Neo Humanity]

OOC: It ain't universal if it cost you an arm and a leg to get treatment.

Correct. That's why the WA mandates your tax money goes to paying for the health insurance of the poor.

"I assume you're talking about Quality in Heath Services? It is specifically stated that government fund the medical coverage on item 2: 'The health system shall be financed by national budgets or the budgets of assigned political divisions...', however the resolution proposed here will add on more specifics on the funding in Section 6: 'Declares that the government of the patient's nation of origin is not obligated or financially responsible in any way for transport or medical treatment sought abroad', Which means that the resolution make it harder for individuals to gather funds for their treatment if they need to travel aboard."

[Fauxia]

Correct. That's why the WA mandates your tax money goes to paying for the health insurance of the poor.

"I assume you're talking about Quality in Heath Services? It is specifically stated that government fund the medical coverage on item 2: 'The health system shall be financed by national budgets or the budgets of assigned political divisions...', however the resolution proposed here will add on more specifics on the funding in Section 6: 'Declares that the government of the patient's nation of origin is not obligated or financially responsible in any way for transport or medical treatment sought abroad', Which means that the resolution make it harder for individuals to gather funds for their treatment if they need to travel aboard."

"This is why Fauxia isn't in the WA"

OoC: Besides being a somewhat active defender/ Lazarus Liberator... anyway

[Neo Humanity]

"I assume you're talking about Quality in Heath Services? It is specifically stated that government fund the medical coverage on item 2: 'The health system shall be financed by national budgets or the budgets of assigned political divisions...', however the resolution proposed here will add on more specifics on the funding in Section 6: 'Declares that the government of the patient's nation of origin is not obligated or financially responsible in any way for transport or medical treatment sought abroad', Which means that the resolution make it harder for individuals to gather funds for their treatment if they need to travel aboard."

"This is why Fauxia isn't in the WA"

OoC: Besides being a somewhat active defender/ Lazarus Liberator... anyway

OOC: Wait, I'm confused. What's the arguing points again?

[Bonto]

"After careful consideration and extensive internal debate, the people of the Community of Bonto have voted not to support this proposal in its current form.

We do believe and stand for the principle of guaranteeing the best possible medical coverage for citizens of the world, but we regretfully notice that this resolution, albeit noble in principle, has several weaknesses.

First, it appears that this resolution would allow an easy way out for people in judicial custody or other measures that limit their freedom: for example, somebody in jail gets any sickness---even a mild one---, leaves the country to get cured in another one with no or little police or control of their movements, gets out of jail free.

Second, the discussion appeared to include an exception for infectious diseases, but it is disappeared from the resolution at vote.

Third, this would give parents and/or caretakers the right to choose inappropriate or dangerous healthcare solutions for the people they have responsibility for, and this can be highly dangerous for those people.

For these reasons, the Community of Bonto votes AGAINST this proposals, and suggests working together to submit soon an improved resolution that solves these issues."

[Fauxia]

"This is why Fauxia isn't in the WA"

OoC: Besides being a somewhat active defender/ Lazarus Liberator... anyway

OOC: Wait, I'm confused. What's the arguing points again?

OoC: Don't know

[Fascist Republic of Israel WA double]

I'd be fine with this, but because of Section 5, it's a "No" from me.

[New Jaedonstan]

Altogether, its one big infringement on national sovereignty to me. Why force nations to do something they don't want to do?

[Fauxia]

Altogether, its one big infringement on national sovereignty to me. Why force nations to do something they don't want to do?

"I lean toward national sovereigntism myself, but what you say will first of all convince no one, but b, is flawed, because it is like saying 'My nation doesn't want to outlaw murder, why should we?' The GA was created for the purpose of trodding on national sovereignty. If you can't deal with that, get out."

[Caesarian Rule]

“Section Seven of the proposal makes the rest of the proposal completely unnecessary,” states Caesar, “There is no reason to pass this, as it enforces nothing. Without enforcement, this is just more fluff added to the WA to make members feel better about themselves for voting a certain way. Even the ‘Freedom to Seek Care’ Name is a cynical ploy to get votes. As such, the nation of Caesarian Rule will be voting against this proposal.”

[Bananaistan]

OOC: As per the legality challenge thread, 4 GenSec members have agree that the proposal is illegal. It will be discarded at the close of voting.

Edit: I'd also like to welcome New Waldensia to the exclusive club of authors who've had resolutions at vote discarded. I can assure you that you are in illustrious company.

[Fauxia]

OOC: As per the legality challenge thread, 4 GenSec members have agree that the proposal is illegal. It will be discarded at the close of voting.

Edit: I'd also like to welcome New Waldensia to the exclusive club of authors who've had resolutions at vote discarded. I can assure you that you are in illustrious company.

OoC: A shame. May I ask why?

[Vitami]

OOC: As per the legality challenge thread, 4 GenSec members have agree that the proposal is illegal. It will be discarded at the close of voting.

Edit: I'd also like to welcome New Waldensia to the exclusive club of authors who've had resolutions at vote discarded. I can assure you that you are in illustrious company.

OOC: why not close it now if it's found to be illegal anyway

[New Waldensia]

OOC: Thread for drafting the new-improved-and-legal version.

[SpenZerous]

As the delegate to Fear Johnism, I voted against the issue because of the potential for the WA to overstep it's bounds into state sovereignty.

Firstly, adequate treatments by the standards of the nation may be in place for a specific treatment, but an individual may leave their home state in pursuit of a replacement treatment that is perceived as immoral by the standards of the state itself. In such a case, if the state had a viable treatment method, then the state should not be required to allow its citizens to leave and receive an alternative treatment elsewhere.

Additionally,
If such a resolution has passed, citIzens who have recently committed crimes could purposely do harm to themselves as a means of escaping state judicial systems, under the predication that the WA allows such a citizen to leave their home state to receive medical attention elsewhere. In turn, criminals could perform acts of self harm as a means of escaping their state judicial apparatuses, which could turn into an international crime problem.

Potential solution:

Only under circumstances where there does not exist a viable treatment option and when the alternative does not deviate from the moral and legal norms of the home state should a state allow its citizen to leave for treatment elsewhere.

Moreover, the home state should first be allocated the process of applicant review, wherein the home state can ensure that the citizen who is seeking treatment abroad isn't doing so out of maleficence. I.e to escape a crime to or to perpetrate crimes abroad.

[Fauxia]

As the delegate to Fear Johnism, I voted against the issue because of the potential for the WA to overstep it's bounds into state sovereignty.

Firstly, adequate treatments by the standards of the nation may be in place for a specific treatment, but an individual may leave their home state in pursuit of a replacement treatment that is perceived as immoral by the standards of the state itself. In such a case, if the state had a viable treatment method, then the state should not be required to allow its citizens to leave and receive an alternative treatment elsewhere.

Additionally,
If such a resolution has passed, citIzens who have recently committed crimes could purposely do harm to themselves as a means of escaping state judicial systems, under the predication that the WA allows such a citizen to leave their home state to receive medical attention elsewhere. In turn, criminals could perform acts of self harm as a means of escaping their state judicial apparatuses, which could turn into an international crime problem.

Potential solution:

Only under circumstances where there does not exist a viable treatment option and when the alternative does not deviate from the moral and legal norms of the home state should a state allow its citizen to leave for treatment elsewhere.

Moreover, the home state should first be allocated the process of applicant review, wherein the home state can ensure that the citizen who is seeking treatment abroad isn't doing so out of maleficence. I.e to escape a crime to or to perpetrate crimes abroad.

It's illegal and being discarded anyway

[The Land of Home]

While the very concept of our proud Homerians receiving treatment from inferior foreign hospitals for treatments saddens us, we must vote yes with our appointed delegate. If we can not prevent our citizens from choosing foreign treatment, there's only one way to ensure their proper care. We must make it abundantly clear that choosing to seek treatment at The Land of Home is the unquestionably best choice. We must make sure there is not a shadow of a doubt that our hospitals are superior to all others. If this is done then it will be of no significance if our citizens have other, inferior choices available. I see now that the humble nation of the Land of Home was wrong not to trust in our delegate, We can not fear a world we are obviously superior to!

[Wrapper]

OOC: As per the legality challenge thread, 4 GenSec members have agree that the proposal is illegal. It will be discarded at the close of voting.

Edit: I'd also like to welcome New Waldensia to the exclusive club of authors who've had resolutions at vote discarded. I can assure you that you are in illustrious company.

OOC: why not close it now if it's found to be illegal anyway

I believe we can't without breaking something. That's why the admins developed our Discard tool.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Edit: I'd also like to welcome New Waldensia to the exclusive club of authors who've had resolutions at vote discarded. I can assure you that you are in illustrious company.

Heh, heh, heh!