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[PASSED] Ban on Statutory Limitations for Heinous Crimes

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Postby Auralia » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:17 am

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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:38 am

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:41 pm

Prohibits member states, whether acting individually or collectively through World Assembly resolution, from instituting or applying a statutory limitation for any crime explicitly or implicitly recognized as a war crime, crime against humanity, or crime against peace under World Assembly law, or by any treaty to which the member state is a party.

Really should be rewritten. It's so long as to be unclear. I think it should have been split into a list for clarity.

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Postby Auralia » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:27 pm

Resubmitted with appropriate corrections.
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:33 pm

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Postby Wrapper » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:20 am

This is at vote.

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Postby Fecaw » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:20 pm

The Union of Small Nations and many other anti-WA regions vote against the current security council resolution at vote: Ban on Stauatory Limitations on Heinous Crimes. It removes the liberty of nations to act as they wish with citizens and is yet another example of the tyrannical and micromanaging behaviour of the WA. A delegate with so many endorsements like you could make a real difference.

The WA, a group of nations with no relationship to the nations that it imposes rules on, has no right to decree the behaviour of nations. The whole purpose of NationStates is to be able to run the country in whatever way one chooses. The WA limits this. The WA can be viewed as a representation of real-world corruption, globalism, fascism, and a variety of totalitarian political systems.

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Postby America Incorporate » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:45 pm

A crime against peace... can we be any more vague? That is subject to interpretation, perception, and therefore subject to abuse. Not to mention heinous crimes are far more encompassing than what the author has chosen to include in this resolution.

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Postby Fecaw » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:27 pm

America Incorporate wrote:A crime against peace... can we be any more vague? That is subject to interpretation, perception, and therefore subject to abuse. Not to mention heinous crimes are far more encompassing than what the author has chosen to include in this resolution.

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I agree. Many WA proposals follow a similar pattern. We would never have this problem if we did not have the WA interfering with our nations.

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Postby Imperial Felchah » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:32 pm

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Heinous according to Whom?

Postby Anceps » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:38 pm

Who is the arbitrator of what is/isn't a war crime? The victor of the war?
Who is the arbitrator of what is a crime against humanity? Is it the survivors, or people that merely stood by and observed?
Why is ok for there to be a limitations period for any action that might be perceived as criminal?
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Postby Mihaiteren » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:39 pm

"His Holy and Imperial Majesty, Emperor Andrew I, absolutely rejects this absurd imposition on His divine mandate to rule His people and conduct international affairs as He deems most beneficial to His people and most in keeping with the decrees of the Most High. Many institutions of our noble country - such as trial by feudal lord instead of an independent judiciary, widespread use of corporal punishment for criminal acts, public execution by torture for extreme offenses, and our maintenance and continued development of a large stockpile of weapons of mass destruction - are seen by many... liberal countries as so-called 'war crimes' or 'crimes against humanity,' and His Majesty's willingness to deploy our military forces whenever necessary to secure our nation's interests is certain to draw claims of 'crimes against peace' by many of those same countries. But these are nothing more or less than the infallible laws of the Almighty and the natural rights of the Emperor and the Peerage of Mihaiteren. To claim that some self-styled 'enlightened' republics and constitutional monarchies are better suited than our divinely-appointed Emperor to decide what is moral or immoral is nothing short of ludicrous."
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A clarifecation on this vote

Postby Roselen » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:54 pm

The diplomat from Roselen, Sir Eddard Von Kire rises to his feet: "If I may address this counsel. Do the crimes carry over in the event of new leadership? If so, we may need to rethink this. If not it should be clearly defined". (he bows) and sits down.

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Postby Sacara » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:57 pm

The Sacarian Delegation to the World Assembly has voted in favor of this resolution.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:20 pm

Roselen wrote:The diplomat from Roselen, Sir Eddard Von Kire rises to his feet: "If I may address this counsel. Do the crimes carry over in the event of new leadership? If so, we may need to rethink this. If not it should be clearly defined". (he bows) and sits down.

"I can see no reason why heinous crime are forgiven under this resolution because of a change in leadership, though I don't see why this is a problem."
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Postby Scherzinger » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:46 pm

After finishing some of her Japanese scripts, Anzu looks up. "Oh, what are we talking about?" She asks. Co-Ambassador Miho Nishizumi shows Anzu her notes and the subject at hand. "mmmhhhmmm, well then, what exactly is this resolution supposed to do. I need more clarification, so i know whether it will affect my nation's execution laws or not. I don't think it will, since we do it as a practice of our laws and not simply to kill, however my assistant and Co-Ambassador here has advised that we of Scherzinger ask for a some clarification on what this does, and how it affects us." Anzu said, she then sat down, writing a message for her Emperor while she awaits a response.

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Postby Buckerino » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:12 am

The Council of Buckerino has decided to vote against the resolution.

Attempting to force punishments for old crimes, no matter how serious, is an attempt at building contempt and anger. In conjunction with the idea that rehabilitative policy is more effective than punitive policy, the Council of Buckerino decided that the ban on statutory limits unnecessarily harsh, and considered the resolution a knee-jerk reaction for vengeance.

The Council of Buckerino is willing to accept the resolution should it provides an option for member nation that allows them to choose between setting a minimum statutory limit or not setting any limit at all.

The Council of Buckerino is also willing to accept should World Assembly mandate that criminals that conducted heinous crime in multiple nations be handed out for criminal proceedings.
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Postby Roselen » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:46 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Roselen wrote:The diplomat from Roselen, Sir Eddard Von Kire rises to his feet: "If I may address this counsel. Do the crimes carry over in the event of new leadership? If so, we may need to rethink this. If not it should be clearly defined". (he bows) and sits down.

"I can see no reason why heinous crime are forgiven under this resolution because of a change in leadership, though I don't see why this is a problem."

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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:17 am

Fecaw wrote:The Union of Small Nations and many other anti-WA regions vote against the current security council resolution at vote: Ban on Stauatory Limitations on Heinous Crimes.

"The current 'security council' resolution?"
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America Incorporate wrote:A crime against peace... can we be any more vague? That is subject to interpretation

Anceps wrote:Who is the arbitrator of what is/isn't a war crime? The victor of the war?
Who is the arbitrator of what is a crime against humanity? Is it the survivors, or people that merely stood by and observed?


"This proposed resolution states clearly that the offences to which it applies are"
any crime explicitly or implicitly recognized under World Assembly law as:
a war crime,
a crime against humanity, or
a crime against peace.


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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:33 am

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Postby Scherzinger » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:46 pm

After finishing some of her Japanese scripts, Anzu looks up. "Oh, what are we talking about?" She asks. Co-Ambassador Miho Nishizumi shows Anzu her notes and the subject at hand. "mmmhhhmmm, well then, what exactly is this resolution supposed to do. I need more clarification, so i know whether it will affect my nation's execution laws or not. I don't think it will, since we do it as a practice of our laws and not simply to kill, however my assistant and Co-Ambassador here has advised that we of Scherzinger ask for a some clarification on what this does, and how it affects us." Anzu said, she then sat down, writing a message for her Emperor while she awaits a response.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:48 pm

Scherzinger wrote:After finishing some of her Japanese scripts, Anzu looks up. "Oh, what are we talking about?" She asks. Co-Ambassador Miho Nishizumi shows Anzu her notes and the subject at hand. "mmmhhhmmm, well then, what exactly is this resolution supposed to do. I need more clarification, so i know whether it will affect my nation's execution laws or not. I don't think it will, since we do it as a practice of our laws and not simply to kill, however my assistant and Co-Ambassador here has advised that we of Scherzinger ask for a some clarification on what this does, and how it affects us." Anzu said, she then sat down, writing a message for her Emperor while she awaits a response.

"Ambassador, if you are going to represent your nation's interests in an international legislative authority, shouldn't you understand some basics of law?"
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Postby Old Hope » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:57 pm

Defines a statutory limitation as any limitation on the period of time following the commission of a crime that the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators may be prosecuted for that crime, with the understanding that this includes, but is not limited to, limitations imposed by administrative regulation, judicial order, or legislative statute;

This does not, if I indeed read this correctly, prevent guidances on specific evidence not to be used after a period of time.
We would not want to abuse this(however very well use this), but others might- the resolution is toothless.
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Postby Hessere » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:05 pm

"Of course, a, controversial issue, which we'll be seeing to as what happens. It appears, however, the most vocal, seem to be the minority here." The representative is now bowing his head towards the newspaper on his lap, reading the day's finances.

OOC: It's always the little folk who seem to oppose it anyway. :meh:

At least, the small inundation of some nations here.
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