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[PASSED] Ban on Statutory Limitations for Heinous Crimes

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This improves civil rights?

Postby Anceps » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:33 pm

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

How exactly does banning a limitations period improve civil rights? Hmm, let's mull this over a bit.

Should the resolution regretfully pass, would the conversation go something like this:

WA Proponents -"You had the right not to be prosecuted by stale and questionable allegations, but under the guise of promoting civil rights, we took your rights away from you."

Innocent Despot - "What!!! But their alleged incident took place years and years ago!"

WA Proponents - "That's right. Time is no longer a bar to our accusations against you."

Innocent Despot - "You had Plenty of time and only circumstantial evidence. Only now that my key exhonorating witnesses are all deceased and the relevant documents and photographic evidence lost or destroyed, you've opened a flood gate of costly and specious litigation by my unscrupulous enemies, who are covetous of my nation's natural resources."

WA Proponents - "That's right. We've wanted you for a long time. Now, we'll take it all."

Innocent Despot - "You and your lawyers are scum."
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We aferme

Postby Roselen » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:31 pm

we vote for

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Postby Scherzinger » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:25 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ambassador, if you are going to represent your nation's interests in an international legislative authority, shouldn't you understand some basics of law?"


Anzu, hearing the all familiar tone of the Ambassador of Separatist Peoples, simply finished her message to the Emperor, handed it to Miho, and went back to writing in her native tongue. Anzu let out a looked at her writing, "anyhow, if anybody whom I respect would like to actually answer my question instead of beating around the bush and insulting my capabilities as an Ambassador, feel free, i would be more interested in a conversation with somebody who is willing to answer a simple question rather than attempt to explain to the simple minded the amount of tests and programs i had to take just to be considered for the job of Ambassador."

Anzu looked at the Ambassador of Separatist Peoples with a blank expression. "If you recall from the numerous squabbles you and I have had here, you would remember that my great Emperor does not force me to converse with the enemies of the state. Especially nations and people with such poor relations to our nation like yourself. We are more than willing to hold a civilized conversation with the enemies of our nation. Unfortunately it appears that such a conversation between your nation and mine will never happen. I have simply grown tired of having to hear from you, especially when myself or my good friend here are the target of your ramblings. Since nobody is forcing me to hold any conversation with you or even have to listen to the rubbish you say to us, i am going to go back to patiently awaiting an actual response. From a nation we still respect, from a nation whom actually wishes to have themselves heard, and from a nation who actually wants to help others out. You are none of these, well, correction. Clearly, #2 applies to you, since you continue to go about running your mouth at us. Bravo, i never knew anybody who loved to hear themselves talk more than you. Now if you will excuse myself and my Co-Ambassador, whom I am training to take my position when I am Promoted, I have some more scripts to practice, and some notes to submit to my beautiful Empress."

With that, Anzu emailed her notes to Empress Kawashima, and went back to her writing
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:29 pm

Anceps wrote:-snip-

(OOC: Under this proposal, sufficient evidence is still required to convict, and your "innocent despot" has committed a heinous crime at some time in the past.)
Scherzinger wrote:After finishing some of her Japanese scripts, Anzu looks up. "Oh, what are we talking about?" She asks. Co-Ambassador Miho Nishizumi shows Anzu her notes and the subject at hand. "mmmhhhmmm, well then, what exactly is this resolution supposed to do. I need more clarification, so i know whether it will affect my nation's execution laws or not. I don't think it will, since we do it as a practice of our laws and not simply to kill, however my assistant and Co-Ambassador here has advised that we of Scherzinger ask for a some clarification on what this does, and how it affects us." Anzu said, she then sat down, writing a message for her Emperor while she awaits a response.

"It will not affect the way in which you carry out your executions, nor force you to do much with them, as you could convict someone under this resolution then give them prison time. There is absolutely no effect whatsoever."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:58 am

Scherzinger wrote:
Anzu, hearing the all familiar tone of the Ambassador of Separatist Peoples, simply finished her message to the Emperor, handed it to Miho, and went back to writing in her native tongue. Anzu let out a looked at her writing, "anyhow, if anybody whom I respect would like to actually answer my question instead of beating around the bush and insulting my capabilities as an Ambassador, feel free, i would be more interested in a conversation with somebody who is willing to answer a simple question rather than attempt to explain to the simple minded the amount of tests and programs i had to take just to be considered for the job of Ambassador."

"Tests and programs that evidently didn't involve teaching you how to use a legal dictionary. Or how to interpret a facet of law most laypeople understand. I'm surprised you'd rather lose face by publically admitting gross ignorance than taking the time to do research."

Anzu looked at the Ambassador of Separatist Peoples with a blank expression. "If you recall from the numerous squabbles you and I have had here,

"I don't remember having any interactions with you, Ambassador." Bell flips through his pocket dossier guide. "No...my nation hasn't deemed it necessary to compile data on your homeland."

you would remember that my great Emperor does not force me to converse with the enemies of the state. Especially nations and people with such poor relations to our nation like yourself. We are more than willing to hold a civilized conversation with the enemies of our nation. Unfortunately it appears that such a conversation between your nation and mine will never happen. I have simply grown tired of having to hear from you, especially when myself or my good friend here are the target of your ramblings. Since nobody is forcing me to hold any conversation with you or even have to listen to the rubbish you say to us, i am going to go back to patiently awaiting an actual response. From a nation we still respect, from a nation whom actually wishes to have themselves heard, and from a nation who actually wants to help others out.

"Fair point. The C.D.S.P. has little patience for lost causes, and I have less than most. I can see why you might be sensitive, having not understood the law and all."

You are none of these, well, correction. Clearly, #2 applies to you, since you continue to go about running your mouth at us. Bravo, i never knew anybody who loved to hear themselves talk more than you.

"I do have a lovely oratory voice. I suppose it comes with being an expert on WA law and routinely dealing with ambassadors who lack legal education, despite being appointed to represent their nations in a legislative body concerned with international law."

Kenmoria wrote:"It will not affect the way in which you carry out your executions, nor force you to do much with them, as you could convict someone under this resolution then give them prison time. There is absolutely no effect whatsoever."


"Oh, foo. If you don't make them work for it, they'll never learn how to do it for themselves. Haven't you had to raise a child?"
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Postby East Ustya » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:14 am

To be honest i would be very interested to hear what institution within the WA decides what constitutes a war crime and what is just a regular operation in a conflict.
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Postby Aclion » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:24 am

East Ustya wrote:To be honest i would be very interested to hear what institution within the WA decides what constitutes a war crime and what is just a regular operation in a conflict.

We do, via legislation
A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. - James Madison.

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Postby East Ustya » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:31 am

Aclion wrote:
East Ustya wrote:To be honest i would be very interested to hear what institution within the WA decides what constitutes a war crime and what is just a regular operation in a conflict.

We do, via legislation

Very good, no backroom deals.

Good to see this level of transparency.
Still cynical though.
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Postby Scherzinger » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:43 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Anceps wrote:-snip-

(OOC: Under this proposal, sufficient evidence is still required to convict, and your "innocent despot" has committed a heinous crime at some time in the past.)
Scherzinger wrote:After finishing some of her Japanese scripts, Anzu looks up. "Oh, what are we talking about?" She asks. Co-Ambassador Miho Nishizumi shows Anzu her notes and the subject at hand. "mmmhhhmmm, well then, what exactly is this resolution supposed to do. I need more clarification, so i know whether it will affect my nation's execution laws or not. I don't think it will, since we do it as a practice of our laws and not simply to kill, however my assistant and Co-Ambassador here has advised that we of Scherzinger ask for a some clarification on what this does, and how it affects us." Anzu said, she then sat down, writing a message for her Emperor while she awaits a response.

"It will not affect the way in which you carry out your executions, nor force you to do much with them, as you could convict someone under this resolution then give them prison time. There is absolutely no effect whatsoever."


Anzu looks over at the Kenmorian Ambassador with joy. "Thank you very much. You have made this easier. This is precisely what i was concerned about."

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Postby East Ustya » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:46 pm

Albrecht Krahn walks into the room, unsure what to do or say, after all his government told him to observe and make friends if possible, but in truth he feels like a fish in a shark tank, and it does NOT feel good.
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Postby East Ustya » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:23 pm

Scherzinger wrote:
East Ustya wrote:Albrecht Krahn walks into the room, unsure what to do or say, after all his government told him to observe and make friends if possible, but in truth he feels like a fish in a shark tank, and it does NOT feel good.


Anzu looks over. "Hail good sir, come, have a seat, we are just discussing our most recent resolution." she says

"Thank you, i hope that it will be unbiased' Albrecht says as he sits down, putting a small book in front of him.
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Postby Scherzinger » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:41 pm

East Ustya wrote:
Scherzinger wrote:
Anzu looks over. "Hail good sir, come, have a seat, we are just discussing our most recent resolution." she says

"Thank you, i hope that it will be unbiased' Albrecht says as he sits down, putting a small book in front of him.


"Unfortunately, i can't guarantee anything, but it is quite the interesting time, especially when Dictatorships get oppressed by democracy. Anyhow, enjoy your time here. I am Anzu Kadotani, and this is Miho Nishizumi. We are the Ambassador and Ambassador in training respectively to the Empire of Scherzinger. It is an honour to meet you" Anzu said to Albrecht with a smile.

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Postby East Ustya » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:43 pm

Scherzinger wrote:
East Ustya wrote:"Thank you, i hope that it will be unbiased' Albrecht says as he sits down, putting a small book in front of him.


"Unfortunately, i can't guarantee anything, but it is quite the interesting time, especially when Dictatorships get oppressed by democracy. Anyhow, enjoy your time here. I am Anzu Kadotani, and this is Miho Nishizumi. We are the Ambassador and Ambassador in training respectively to the Empire of Scherzinger. It is an honour to meet you" Anzu said to Albrecht with a smile.

Albrecht just nods saying: "We are here to observe and look around for allies, and hope no terrorist action is taken against our country"
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Postby Aclion » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:49 pm

*suddenly notices that this resolution only covers limitations on prosecutions, not convictions*
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:38 pm

Aclion wrote:*suddenly notices that this resolution only covers limitations on prosecutions, not convictions*

OOC: Statutes of limitation only apply to bringing the suit. Once it starts, the limit tolls.

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Postby Mihaiteren » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:02 pm

Scherzinger wrote:"Unfortunately, i can't guarantee anything, but it is quite the interesting time, especially when Dictatorships get oppressed by democracy. Anyhow, enjoy your time here. I am Anzu Kadotani, and this is Miho Nishizumi. We are the Ambassador and Ambassador in training respectively to the Empire of Scherzinger. It is an honour to meet you" Anzu said to Albrecht with a smile.


Andrew II, Prince of Concetatnia, raised an eyebrow. "I do hope you are not implying that my dear father misuses His divinely appointed powers. But I must agree. It would be amusing how committed these supposedly 'free' countries are to dismantling our cherished traditions and national identity, were it not so abhorrent."
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Postby Scherzinger » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:16 pm

Mihaiteren wrote:
Scherzinger wrote:"Unfortunately, i can't guarantee anything, but it is quite the interesting time, especially when Dictatorships get oppressed by democracy. Anyhow, enjoy your time here. I am Anzu Kadotani, and this is Miho Nishizumi. We are the Ambassador and Ambassador in training respectively to the Empire of Scherzinger. It is an honour to meet you" Anzu said to Albrecht with a smile.


Andrew II, Prince of Concetatnia, raised an eyebrow. "I do hope you are not implying that my dear father misuses His divinely appointed powers. But I must agree. It would be amusing how committed these supposedly 'free' countries are to dismantling our cherished traditions and national identity, were it not so abhorrent."


"Oh no sir, we are actually the same government as you. Hail fellow forward thinking individual" Anzu says from across the table

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Postby Shaktirajya » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:28 pm

In concert with Our regional delegate Davelands, We the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, hereby vote FOR this resolution.

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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:23 pm

Aclion wrote:*suddenly notices that this resolution only covers limitations on prosecutions, not convictions*
(OOC: Any statute of limitations only effects prosecution. Afrerwards, the process for conviction can start. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if some nation used that as an excuse for noncompliance.)
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Postby Alcohol-Related Misconduct » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:22 am

What an absolutely absurd proposal. It doesn't even define what "War crime, crimes against humanity, and crimes against peace" are. That it has received so many "for" votes is embarrassing.

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Postby Triangle And Square » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:43 am

TNP's viewpoint on this:

Vote recommendation: For

Why vote for:
This proposal would ban limits on punishments for war crimes, crimes against humanity, or crimes against peace. The proposal reaffirms the World Assembly's goal of bringing justice to criminals, and we believe that this is a worthy goal.
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Absolutely not, this is a patently absurd and frankly disgusting change that I am absolutely appalled you would even suggest. Absolutely unacceptable.



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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:26 am

Alcohol-Related Misconduct wrote:What an absolutely absurd proposal. It doesn't even define what "War crime, crimes against humanity, and crimes against peace" are. That it has received so many "for" votes is embarrassing.


"That is the job of other resolutions. All this does is remove any statute of limitations on such crimes. Defining new crimes is outside of this proposal's remit."
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Postby Aclion » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:49 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Aclion wrote:*suddenly notices that this resolution only covers limitations on prosecutions, not convictions*

OOC: Statutes of limitation only apply to bringing the suit. Once it starts, the limit tolls.

It does mean...
Kenmoria wrote:That said, it wouldn't surprise me if some nation used that as an excuse for noncompliance.)

Yes, that.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:11 am

Aclion wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Statutes of limitation only apply to bringing the suit. Once it starts, the limit tolls.

It does mean...
Kenmoria wrote:That said, it wouldn't surprise me if some nation used that as an excuse for noncompliance.)

Yes, that.

OOC: I'm having a hard time seeing that as likely without a nation crashing all SoLs in its own nation. That would make it a bad faith interpretation otherwise.

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