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[PASSED] Ban on Statutory Limitations for Heinous Crimes

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[PASSED] Ban on Statutory Limitations for Heinous Crimes

Postby Auralia » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:27 pm

Ban on Statutory Limitations for Heinous Crimes
Category: Human Rights | Strength: Mild

Recognizing the moral depravity of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes against peace,

Recalling this Assembly's prior commitments to the prosecution of perpetrators of such crimes,

Emphasizing that the effective protection of human rights by this Assembly necessitates that there be no statutory limitations on prosecution of perpetrators of such crimes,

The General Assembly,

  1. Defines a statutory limitation as any limitation on the period of time following the commission of a crime that the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators may be prosecuted for that crime, with the understanding that this includes, but is not limited to, limitations imposed by administrative regulation, judicial order, or legislative statute;
  2. Prohibits member states, whether acting individually or collectively through World Assembly resolution, from applying a statutory limitation to any crime explicitly or implicitly recognized under World Assembly law as:
    1. a war crime,
    2. a crime against humanity, or
    3. a crime against peace.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:56 am

We will support this proposal. Our only recommendation, at the moment, is that the prohibition be broadened to include the World Assembly itself in addition to its individual member states and their subdivisions.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:29 am

"Full support. No issues with the current text."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:54 am

We have no real objections to the proposed text.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:04 am

Support.

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Postby Aclion » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:23 am

Opposed. Consider that;
  1. Statutory limitations are put in place in part to ensure that innocent defendants will still have access to exonerating evidence.
  2. Politically motivated prosecution for war crimes and crimes against humanity are commonplace, and protecting the innocent is not a high priority.
  3. Conviction for war crimes and crimes against humanity rightly carry the most extreme penalties nations offer; often death.
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Postby Auralia » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:30 am

Christian Democrats wrote:We will support this proposal. Our only recommendation, at the moment, is that the prohibition be broadened to include the World Assembly itself in addition to its individual member states and their subdivisions.

This is now clarified.

Aclion wrote:Statutory limitations are put in place in part to ensure that innocent defendants will still have access to exonerating evidence.

As time passes, both incriminating and exonerating evidence become less accessible, so I don't find this argument particularly compelling.

Aclion wrote:Politically motivated prosecution for war crimes and crimes against humanity are commonplace, and protecting the innocent is not a high priority.

Politically motivated prosecutions often occur for many crimes, not merely war crimes and crimes against humanity. Nonetheless, most jurisdictions do not employ statutory limitations for crimes less serious than war crimes and crimes against humanity, such as murder, kidnapping, or even forgery.

Aclion wrote:Conviction for war crimes and crimes against humanity rightly carry the most extreme penalties nations offer; often death.

Again, this is true for many serious crimes that are not subject to a statute of limitations.

Ultimately, due process protections have to be carefully designed to avoid convicting innocent people while still ensuring that justice is done in most cases. On balance, we -- along with most other nations -- believe that statutory limitations for serious crimes allow criminals to go free far more often than they prevent mistaken convictions.

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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:34 am

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:59 pm

OOC: I would try some other title though. This one seems a bit too dry.

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Postby Auralia » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:55 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: I would try some other title though. This one seems a bit too dry.

((OOC: Any suggestions? Personally, I have no objection to dry titles. Frankly, I would prefer the name of the equivalent real-life treaty, which is "Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity", but unfortunately that's too long.))
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Postby Secundus Imperium Romanum » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:18 pm

The Second Roman Empire after the complete observation by our team of experts who help me agree absolutely to support the proposal. The project has excellent articles that will certainly reduce or not extinguish any kind of torture or surplus in the criminal-state relationship that we will fully support it.

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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:35 am

Neville: Having reread the definition, it seems to us that member states aren't allowed to stipulate that the defendant in these cases must still be alive. Are we reading it correctly?
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:00 am

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Neville: Having reread the definition, it seems to us that member states aren't allowed to stipulate that the defendant in these cases must still be alive. Are we reading it correctly?

I don't speak for the author, but there is nothing in this piece of legislation that I can read that would prevent your nation, or any nation, from stipulating in further pieces of legislation that all defendants in criminal (or indeed civil) cases must be alive.

This legislation simply wishes to enforce the, wholly correct, notion that crimes against humanity should not have a statute of limitations.
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Sanctaria wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Neville: Having reread the definition, it seems to us that member states aren't allowed to stipulate that the defendant in these cases must still be alive. Are we reading it correctly?

I don't speak for the author, but there is nothing in this piece of legislation that I can read that would prevent your nation, or any nation, from stipulating in further pieces of legislation that all defendants in criminal (or indeed civil) cases must be alive.

This legislation simply wishes to enforce the, wholly correct, notion that crimes against humanity should not have a statute of limitations.

Neville: Wouldn't a stipulation that the defendant be alive be an example of 'a limitation on the period of time following the commission of a crime that the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators may be prosecuted for that crime'?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:08 am

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Sanctaria wrote:I don't speak for the author, but there is nothing in this piece of legislation that I can read that would prevent your nation, or any nation, from stipulating in further pieces of legislation that all defendants in criminal (or indeed civil) cases must be alive.

This legislation simply wishes to enforce the, wholly correct, notion that crimes against humanity should not have a statute of limitations.

Neville: Wouldn't a stipulation that the defendant be alive be an example of 'a limitation on the period of time following the commission of a crime that the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators may be prosecuted for that crime'?

"I can't imagine what system would do this, but Fairness in Criminal Trials require the accused be able to face the accusor. I don't see how a dead person could do that, so it rather seems covered."

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Separatist Peoples wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Neville: Wouldn't a stipulation that the defendant be alive be an example of 'a limitation on the period of time following the commission of a crime that the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators may be prosecuted for that crime'?

"I can't imagine what system would do this, but Fairness in Criminal Trials require the accused be able to face the accusor. I don't see how a dead person could do that, so it rather seems covered."

Neville: I've read Fairness in Criminal Trials. I can't see where it requires that the accused should be able to face their accuser.
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:28 am

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Wouldn't a stipulation that the defendant be alive be an example of 'a limitation on the period of time following the commission of a crime that the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators may be prosecuted for that crime'?

No, it would not. Under no reading of this proposal, or mature understanding of what statute of limitations are, would that be a stipulation.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:02 am

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"I can't imagine what system would do this, but Fairness in Criminal Trials require the accused be able to face the accusor. I don't see how a dead person could do that, so it rather seems covered."

Neville: I've read Fairness in Criminal Trials. I can't see where it requires that the accused should be able to face their accuser.

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Postby The Bible Baptist Republic » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:57 am

The Bible Baptist Republic has no objection to this proposal and agrees that there are crimes so heinous that perpetrators should not be given an opportunity to run out a clock.
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:03 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Neville: I've read Fairness in Criminal Trials. I can't see where it requires that the accused should be able to face their accuser.

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States of Glory WA Office wrote:Wouldn't a stipulation that the defendant be alive be an example of 'a limitation on the period of time following the commission of a crime that the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators may be prosecuted for that crime'?

No, it would not. Under no reading of this proposal, or mature understanding of what statute of limitations are, would that be a stipulation.

Neville: The law does what the law says. We contend that under a literal reading of the proposal, our nation is not allowed to mandate that defendants in cases concerning war crimes and crimes against humanity should be alive.
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Postby Deropia » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:26 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:No, it would not. Under no reading of this proposal, or mature understanding of what statute of limitations are, would that be a stipulation.

Neville: The law does what the law says. We contend that under a literal reading of the proposal, our nation is not allowed to mandate that defendants in cases concerning war crimes and crimes against humanity should be alive.


"I would have to agree with the delegation from Sanctaria on this one, since the proposal text states..."
Auralia wrote:Defines a statutory limitation as a limitation on the period of time following the commission of a crime that the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators may be prosecuted for that crime

"It would seem to me that wither or not you place a deceased person on trial has less to do with a statute of limitations and more to do with wither or not your criminal justice system allows trials in absentia. Since a deceased person obviously can't attend court proceedings you could decline to prosecute based on that fact rather than the amount of time that has elapsed since the alleged offense."

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Deropia wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Neville: The law does what the law says. We contend that under a literal reading of the proposal, our nation is not allowed to mandate that defendants in cases concerning war crimes and crimes against humanity should be alive.


"I would have to agree with the delegation from Sanctaria on this one, since the proposal text states..."
Auralia wrote:Defines a statutory limitation as a limitation on the period of time following the commission of a crime that the alleged perpetrator or perpetrators may be prosecuted for that crime

"It would seem to me that wither or not you place a deceased person on trial has less to do with a statute of limitations, but wither or not your criminal justice system allows trials in absentia since a deceased person obviously can't attend court proceedings you could decline to prosecute based on that fact rather than the amount of time that has elapsed since the alleged offense."

Neville: That seems acceptable to us. In that case, we pledge our support for this proposal.
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Deropia wrote:"It would seem to me that wither or not you place a deceased person on trial has less to do with a statute of limitations and more to do with wither or not your criminal justice system allows trials in absentia. Since a deceased person obviously can't attend court proceedings you could decline to prosecute based on that fact rather than the amount of time that has elapsed since the alleged offense."


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