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Kaboomlandia wrote:Noting Gest’s extensive involvement with the raider program Predator, an extremely powerful military weapon later found to be in contravention of international law;

Ooooh. Not a ruling but this really tap-dances on the line between IC and RL and might be a 4a violation. Maybe if you take out the words "the raider program" that might make it a non-issue.

Support.

The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper wrote:

Kaboomlandia wrote:Noting Gest’s extensive involvement with the raider program Predator, an extremely powerful military weapon later found to be in contravention of international law;

Ooooh. Not a ruling but this really tap-dances on the line between IC and RL and might be a 4a violation. Maybe if you take out the words "the raider program" that might make it a non-issue.

Fixed, thanks.

Wash it away.

Hmm, this might just be me, but this reads more of a condemnation than a repeal of a condemnation.

Just a suggestion (and please feel free to ignore it) but wouldn't it be more interesting to write it as a repeal, downplaying his evilness because he used the program? Just a random thought.

I have to say you've definitely evolved since the early days, Kaboomlandia.

I agree there's an awkward situation; we use a condemnation to reward people for certain acts, but pretend like we think they're bad. What do we do when someone actually does something bad that we no longer want to reward them for? Going off CG's thought, maybe this is over the top silly, but what if it turns out Gest didn't do the acts in the condemn, but an AI named "predator" did and Gest was just being manipulated by the puppet-master AI?

That sounds hilarious.

Sure, support.

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Believing that it is improper to reward Gest for their leadership when several raids under their watch were executed using the Predator superweapon, which demonstrated no mercy for the innocent nations affected by these brutal invasions;

Aware that since many raiders treat condemnations as a reward, allowing Gest to retain their condemnation for raids that occurred using dishonourable methods is effectively rewarding them for their misdeeds;

Just want to point out that Gest received his condemnation before Predator came about.

Rammeludia wrote:

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Believing that it is improper to reward Gest for their leadership when several raids under their watch were executed using the Predator superweapon, which demonstrated no mercy for the innocent nations affected by these brutal invasions;

Aware that since many raiders treat condemnations as a reward, allowing Gest to retain their condemnation for raids that occurred using dishonourable methods is effectively rewarding them for their misdeeds;

Just want to point out that Gest received his condemnation before Predator came about.

But his actions during and after Predator no longer make him worthy enough to stay on the books.

For the record, I plan to submit this around the middle of next week if no glaring issues arise.

Reasoning that since The Black Riders and DEN will continue to be defunct organizations that broke international law which lead to their obliteration, and Gest has effectively been blacklisted from prominent raider organizations such as The Black Hawks, they no longer pose a threat to regional security or the innocent nations of the world;

I don't think the comma in "obliteration, and Gest" is necessary.

Reasoning that since The Black Riders and DEN will continue to be defunct organizations that broke international law which lead to their obliteration, and Gest has effectively been blacklisted from prominent raider organizations such as The Black Hawks, they no longer pose a threat to regional security or the innocent nations of the world;

Past tense of "lead" is "led".

Ransium wrote:

Reasoning that since The Black Riders and DEN will continue to be defunct organizations that broke international law which lead to their obliteration, and Gest has effectively been blacklisted from prominent raider organizations such as The Black Hawks, they no longer pose a threat to regional security or the innocent nations of the world;

I don't think the comma in "obliteration, and Gest" is necessary.

It's two different areas of the same point (TBR/DEN being history and Gest being persona non grata in prominent raider orgs), so I put it in.

Wrapper wrote:

Reasoning that since The Black Riders and DEN will continue to be defunct organizations that broke international law which lead to their obliteration, and Gest has effectively been blacklisted from prominent raider organizations such as The Black Hawks, they no longer pose a threat to regional security or the innocent nations of the world;

Past tense of "lead" is "led".

Fixed.

But this is old. No one currently even know who he is. As a matter of fact, i didn't know this resolution even existed.

Cheeksam wrote:But this is old. No one currently even know who he is. As a matter of fact, i didn't know this resolution even existed.

"Maybe, Ambassador, but that can work in favor for the vote. If less people knew about the past, that means more people will rely on what is presented for them for judgement. Thus, the reasons supporting the repeal will have little to no opposition. Simple. Then again, many of our WA are much older than you think."

I mean I don't really understand the rationale behind this repeal. This condemnation was in place years before predator was a thing, so this is completely about taking away the condemnation because of players saying that it would be a punishment for using it? Just seems more personal than anything else. I just find that kind of silly.

But you know what's really proves the silliness of this proposal? Condemn General Halcones is still very much alive and well.

Jakker wrote:But you know what's really proves the silliness of this proposal? Condemn General Halcones is still very much alive and well.

Then it seems we have a bit more housekeeping to do after this one passes.

Full support, Kaboom.

I don't think it's silly to deny cheaters a badge. The fact that you apparently do concerns me a bit to be honest Jakker. Reads kinda like an implicit endorsement of Gest's actions actually.

Consular wrote:I don't think it's silly to deny cheaters a badge. The fact that you apparently do concerns me a bit to be honest Jakker. Reads kinda like an implicit endorsement of Gest's actions actually.

I think you're reading too much into my actions to affirm whatever opinion you want of me

I question the rationale of repealing a proposal that had nothing to do with the original proposal and coming off like this is all about predator when the creator of predator still had a condemnation.

I promise that I can think far more complexly than you give me credit for. I don't need to agree or disagree with an approach to something to be in favor/against it.

Jakker wrote:I mean I don't really understand the rationale behind this repeal. This condemnation was in place years before predator was a thing, so this is completely about taking away the condemnation because of players saying that it would be a punishment for using it? Just seems more personal than anything else. I just find that kind of silly.

But you know what's really proves the silliness of this proposal? Condemn General Halcones is still very much alive and well.

Seriously? Seriously?

Full support, Kaboom. If anyone would like to draft Repeal "Condemn The Black Riders," I am also okay with that as the author of that condemnation.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Seriously? Seriously?

Are you really surprised?

Cormactopia Prime wrote:

Jakker wrote:I mean I don't really understand the rationale behind this repeal. This condemnation was in place years before predator was a thing, so this is completely about taking away the condemnation because of players saying that it would be a punishment for using it? Just seems more personal than anything else. I just find that kind of silly.

But you know what's really proves the silliness of this proposal? Condemn General Halcones is still very much alive and well.

Seriously? Seriously?

It's important that the forums do not just become an echo chamber that simplifies everything. Where is the fun in that?

Consular wrote:

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Seriously? Seriously?

Are you really surprised?

Contrary to what you seem to keep assuming about me, I have always been against Gest's approach to predator nor have I ever advocated for or advanced any form of cheating. I am simply raising any points that I believe should at least be considered is all.