[PASSED] Prohibit Private Prisons

[Christian Democrats]

They're not loopholes but features of the proposal. This proposal would effectively end wholly private prisons, but it would leave to member states the choice between wholly public prisons and public-private partnerships. By requiring the government to take a primary role in the incarceration of criminals, whom the government has sentenced, this proposal increases government oversight of prisons. Furthermore, by banning wholly private prisons, this proposal reduces the profit motive and consequently an incentive for mass incarceration.

Our nation hasn't said anything to the contrary in this debate. We fully acknowledge that a member state could comply with this proposal, for example, by owning a prison and outsourcing certain functions (e.g., cafeteria management) to private companies or by entering a 99-year lease with a private company that has built a prison facility.

The effect of this proposal is to prevent private actors from being owner-operators of prisons. However, other arrangements, including public-public partnerships, are perfectly permissible and even contemplated in the proposal (see section 6).

[Araraukar]

They're not loopholes but features of the proposal.

OOC: So you just have a misleading title and tendency to lie by omission in the proposal text to get "for" votes. Noted for future reference.

[Fushiya]

They're not loopholes but features of the proposal. This proposal would effectively end wholly private prisons, but it would leave to member states the choice between wholly public prisons and public-private partnerships. By requiring the government to take a primary role in the incarceration of criminals, whom the government has sentenced, this proposal increases government oversight of prisons. Furthermore, by banning wholly private prisons, this proposal reduces the profit motive and consequently an incentive for mass incarceration.

Well I understood this as a way to remove corporate power from our prisons, and I don't think it'll stop us from incarcerating people en masse...we can make profits for the state, not corporations...which is good for Fushiya.

They're not loopholes but features of the proposal.

OOC: So you just have a misleading title and tendency to lie by omission in the proposal text to get "for" votes. Noted for future reference.

OOC: If that's the case, y'all better get a repeal ready.

[The Blackcat Isles]

"The Blackcat Isles have voted in favour of this resolution, as it is our deeply held belief that protecting the citizens of our isles is the government's responsibility alone and no capitalistic entity should ever come close to performing such a vital duty.

Greed, an unquenchable thirst for wealth and corporate corruption have no place in the judicial system, which is to remain completely independent and utterly unblemished. How then, our comrades ask, can a nation expect to be just and righteous, if capitalism holds its penitentiary systems in an iron grip of consumerism?

It is why our nation proudly shouts "no!" towards the corrupting practices of capitalistic princes and supports the World Assembly's effort to prohibit private prisons. For the good of equality and justice, all should join our choir!"

- Excerpt from the latest speech of Roberta van Zijl, General Secretary of the People's Republic of the Blackcat Isles

(OOC: my own views on the matter aren't exactly the same as written in the IC text, but since I decided to RP a socialist state, I'm going all for immersion.)

[Ponasia]

If the issue is to be passed, Ponasia will leave the World Assembly and will not rejoin until it is repealed, because this resolution breaks Ponasia's constitution and delegitimizes Ponasia's sovereignty over her economy.

[Kenmoria]

They're not loopholes but features of the proposal. This proposal would effectively end wholly private prisons, but it would leave to member states the choice between wholly public prisons and public-private partnerships. By requiring the government to take a primary role in the incarceration of criminals, whom the government has sentenced, this proposal increases government oversight of prisons. Furthermore, by banning wholly private prisons, this proposal reduces the profit motive and consequently an incentive for mass incarceration.

Our nation hasn't said anything to the contrary in this debate. We fully acknowledge that a member state could comply with this proposal, for example, by owning a prison and outsourcing certain functions (e.g., cafeteria management) to private companies or by entering a 99-year lease with a private company that has built a prison facility.

The effect of this proposal is to prevent private actors from being owner-operators of prisons. However, other arrangements, including public-public partnerships, are perfectly permissible and even contemplated in the proposal (see section 6).

(OOC: On the one hand that means that IC Kenmoria now has no issues with this bill, and may even vote for. On the other hand, that makes the proposal utterly useless in a practical sense, and extraordinarily easy to loophole. All a member state needs to do is enter an unlimited lease with all private prisons, changing nothing, and then be perfectly compliant.)

[Grenartia]

If the issue is to be passed, Ponasia will leave the World Assembly and will not rejoin until it is repealed, because this resolution breaks Ponasia's constitution and delegitimizes Ponasia's sovereignty over her economy.

Truly, the loss of the great nation of Ponasia will be a devastating blow to the WA, the likes of which this august body will never recover from.

[Markem]

On behalf of his holiness, Grand Emperor Narrian I, I have been instructed to translate our nation’s abhorrence of the proposed, and decry the gross overreach of the World Assembly into the domestic affairs and economic sovereignty of numerous nations. The following letter comes from the desk of the Emperor himself.

“Persuaded that private prisons are legitimate businesses able to offer a tangible benefit to society, in the legal incarceration of individuals found guilty of Markem’s law system, as well as the protection provided to society, security of guilty parties, and rehabilitation efforts,

Recognizing that without the operation of these private prisons, the Markemer government would need to expand its list of federal security guards by a factor of at least four, at considerable tax payer cost,

Deeply Concerned that the authors and proponents of this proposal are anti-capitalist fear-mongers, aiming to cripple the economies of their economic political rivals, only seeking their own global power,

1. Formally decry the components of the proposal document, firmly reject the principles outlined,
2. Cast our vote in staunch opposition to the proposed,
3. Invite other nations to join the sovereign and freedom-loving people of Markem, who shall under no circumstances unilaterally ban private prisons from its borders.”

Do they expect us to transfer the all important funds from Markem’s fear-inspiring and technologically advanced military to support this? I’m sure they would like that.

[Barbariax]

They're not loopholes but features of the proposal.

Barbariax, similarly to other nations, notes and appreciates the honesty of the resolution's author about the nature of this resolution. As Kenmoria noted, the resolution becomes almost meaningless, although it is still a bad resolution and Barbariax will maintain its Against vote.

[Christian Democrats]

They're not loopholes but features of the proposal.

OOC: So you just have a misleading title and tendency to lie by omission in the proposal text to get "for" votes. Noted for future reference.

They're not loopholes but features of the proposal.

Barbariax, similarly to other nations, notes and appreciates the honesty of the resolution's author about the nature of this resolution. As Kenmoria noted, the resolution becomes almost meaningless, although it is still a bad resolution and Barbariax will maintain its Against vote.

This proposal does exactly what it says. It bans member states and their political subdivisions from using private prisons -- prisons that are "entirely owned and operated or primarily owned and operated" by private entities. It does not ban all private-sector involvement in prisons. Such an extreme prohibition would be untenable and unwise. Where are prisons supposed to purchase uniforms for inmates; how are they supposed to acquire building materials, utilities, and goods for themselves and their inmates; are all vehicles used by prison staff for transportation supposed to be manufactured by socialist enterprises; how about the purchase of security cameras?

[Xobria]

OOC/Out of Topic : (Remove if you wish)

Nationstates at all times : The big H M M M M

[Christian Democrats]

Outstanding!

This proposal passed with 57% support. Within the next two years, all member states must phase out their use of private prisons.

[Catsfern]

Well [AT VOTE] is officially inaccurate, Congratulations on this passing. personally wont effect me too much, Catsfern doesn't have any prisons to begin with

[A Great and Free Spain]

What a shame this piece of shit of resolution has passed.

The world is going nuts, and the WA is sticking it's nose where it shouldn't... Just like the OOC world.


Regards.

[Araraukar]

IC: "Congratulations. Now let's pass an actual ban on the private prisons..."

OOC: Given the thread title, not actually prohibiting private prisons (just restricting their use) is kind of a lie...

[Kenmoria]

Prohibit Private Prisons was passed 8,576 votes to 6,401.

(OOC: Congratulations CD.)

[Fushiya]

I sense a repeal coming along if we're not being given what was promised.

Other than that, congratulations and down with the corporate state.

[United Massachusetts]

Outstanding!

This proposal passed with 57% support. Within the next two years, all member states must phase out their use of private prisons.

[Grenartia]

Congrats on the win, CD.

[Araraukar]

Within the next two years, all member states must phase out their use of private prisons.

"Except not really, given the huge loopholes. Not that Araraukar has any private prisons, but still..."

[BootJack]

Hello everyone, I voted to prohibit private prisons and received a telegram this morning from the WA that said. "Laws have been enacted to bring BootJack into compliance with the World Assembly resolution" I'm fairly new hear so not sure about what this message means. How am I not in compliance and how do I get in compliance?

[Marxist Germany]

Hello everyone, I voted to prohibit private prisons and received a telegram this morning from the WA that said. "Laws have been enacted to bring BootJack into compliance with the World Assembly resolution" I'm fairly new hear so not sure about what this message means. How am I not in compliance and how do I get in compliance?

OOC:It's the gnomes making sure your nation is compliant.

[Xobria]

Hello everyone, I voted to prohibit private prisons and received a telegram this morning from the WA that said. "Laws have been enacted to bring BootJack into compliance with the World Assembly resolution" I'm fairly new hear so not sure about what this message means. How am I not in compliance and how do I get in compliance?

OOC:It's the gnomes making sure your nation is compliant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3pFFPSlW4

[Christian Democrats]

I log in and see six telegrams that notify me about the submission of insta-repeals.

Well [AT VOTE] is officially inaccurate, Congratulations on this passing. personally wont effect me too much, Catsfern doesn't have any prisons to begin with

Prohibit Private Prisons was passed 8,576 votes to 6,401.

(OOC: Congratulations CD.)

Congrats on the win, CD.

Thank you, everybody!

Hello everyone, I voted to prohibit private prisons and received a telegram this morning from the WA that said. "Laws have been enacted to bring BootJack into compliance with the World Assembly resolution" I'm fairly new hear so not sure about what this message means. How am I not in compliance and how do I get in compliance?

OOC:It's the gnomes making sure your nation is compliant.

An army of gnomes appears and brutally beats your mid-level bureaucrats until they start implementing the resolution.

[Araraukar]

An army of gnomes appears and brutally beats your mid-level bureaucrats until they start implementing the resolution.

OOC: Oh come on, you even wrote a 2 year mercy period into your text.