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[PASSED] Repeal 'Enabling The Disabled in Academia'

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:47 pm

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Repeal 'Enabling The Disabled in Academia'
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Whereas legislation passed by the World Assembly cannot be amended or changed, only repealed, and that any correction of the problems noted in the target resolution would first require passage of a repeal:

And whereas it is the case that
  1. the members of the World Assembly, and the assembly itself, have limited resources,
  2. this resolution effectively forces members to provide accommodations and various support groups in all places of education, both public and private, imposing huge costs which (for private systems especially) would be difficult or impossible to bear,
  3. it can both be cheaper for nations to provide a higher level of accommodation and support in specialised organisations more suited to persons with specific disabilities via e.g. enrolment in specialised schools,
  4. schools can serve multiple functions, but they cannot serve all functions simultaneously without compromising quality, and
  5. accommodations for one group can trade off with the welfare of another, derived simply from the fact that resources are fungible:
And whereas the resolution's definitions are unsound as
  1. the definition of 'disabled' includes practically all manner of different ailments or manners of imperfect health, their being a condition that 'limits movements, senses, or activities',
  2. that definition fails to consider such things as learning disabilities, which do not limit movement, senses, or physical activity, and therefore does not provide those accommodations which the resolution seeks, and
  3. the definition of 'disabled student', beyond the fact that knowledge is not disbursed as if it were coin, only applies to 'academic settings' which many times are not the only places of education.
And whereas this resolution offers little improvement over those protections already instituted in section 2 of the resolution 'A Promotion of Basic Education' and the resolution 'Charter of Civil Rights', while blocking the passage of mandates for effective accommodation that are currently being drafted:

And whereas the use of the phrase 'the disabled' dehumanises persons living with disabilities, reducing them to be a problem to be normalised or 'solved' whilst subsuming their identities into a single aspect of their personhood:

Now, therefore, be it enacted by the World Assembly, by and with the advice and consent of its members, and by the authority of the same, that the resolution entitled 'Enabling The Disabled in Academia' be repealed.

Edited (29 July 2017, 3.47a EST) to reflect that the proposal has been in queue for some time.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:47 pm

I was walkin' through the NationStates
And a man walks up to me and hands me the latest voting bloc
"Quorum faster, vote higher"
Man, I'm not gonna let you poison me

I threw it on the ground
You must think I'm a joke
I ain't gonna be part of your system
Man! Pump those votes in another man's veins

I go to my favourite regional delegate
And the dude says, "You come here all the time! Here's an approval for free."
I said, "Man! What do I look like? A charity case?"

I took it and threw it on the ground!
I don't need your handouts!
I'm an adult!
Please!
You can't buy me delegate!

At the GA forum with my so called ally
He hands me a donation, says it's compulsory
Man, this ain't compulsory!
This is a donation!

I threw it on the ground!
What, you think I'm stupid?
I'm not a part of your system
Donations aren't compulsory!
DUH!

Some poser gives an Accord a birthday party
Whatcha want me to do with this? Read it?

Happy birthday to the ground!
I lied about the rest of the Accord, too!
Welcome to the real word, jackass!

So many things to throw on the ground
Like this, and this, and that, and even this
I'm an ADULT!

Two superdelegate phonies try to give me their autograph
GROUND!
Nobody wants your autograph, phonies!

Then the two delegates got up
Turned out they had a taser
And they tased my proposal at vote!

Fell to the ground
The delegates didn't let up
Tasin' on my resolution over and over

I was screamin' and squirmin'
My resolution was on fire
The moral of the story is

You can't trust the system

Man!
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:32 pm

Whereas, the established conventions of the World Assembly include no use of the word "whereas" to begin clauses, be it decided by the Wallenburgian delegation to withhold its support from a repeal that will never be necessary.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:38 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Whereas, the established conventions of the World Assembly include no use of the word "whereas" to begin clauses, be it decided by the Wallenburgian delegation to withhold its support from a repeal that will never be necessary.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30&p=23047501&hilit=whereas#p23047501
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30&p=668189&hilit=whereas#p668189
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30&p=4296&hilit=whereas#p4296
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30&p=419&hilit=whereas#p419

Sir Humphrey Appleby > Many, many things must be done, but nothing must be done for the first time.

However it is, preliminary voting trends towards a 50-50 (EDIT: Now increasingly something around a 55-45) split amongst the general body. There is a not insignificant chance that the proposal shall pass.
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:11 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Whereas, the established conventions of the World Assembly include no use of the word "whereas" to begin clauses, be it decided by the Wallenburgian delegation to withhold its support from a repeal that will never be necessary.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30&p=23047501&hilit=whereas#p23047501
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30&p=668189&hilit=whereas#p668189
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30&p=4296&hilit=whereas#p4296
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30&p=419&hilit=whereas#p419

Sir Humphrey Appleby > Many, many things must be done, but nothing must be done for the first time.

My friend, if you can only cite one resolution that isn't 8+ years old, perhaps you should reconsider trying to defend "whereas" as a standard GA convention. :P
However it is, preliminary voting trends towards a 50-50 (EDIT: Now increasingly something around a 55-45) split amongst the general body. There is a not insignificant chance that the proposal shall pass.

It's pretty small. I'm betting that this thing gets properly curbstomped.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:51 am

Wallenburg wrote:My friend, if you can only cite one resolution that isn't 8+ years old, perhaps you should reconsider trying to defend "whereas" as a standard GA convention. :P

Sir Humphrey Appleby > Many, many things must be done, but nothing must be done for the first time.

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Postby The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:37 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Sir Humphrey Appleby > Many, many things must be done, but nothing must be done for the first time.

OOC: Fixed that for you. ;) Not gonna pass, already losing by a 2-1 margin.
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:57 am

The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Sir Humphrey Appleby > Many, many things must be done, but nothing must be done for the first time.

[b]OOC: Not gonna pass, already losing by a 2-1 margin.

OOC: Most superdelegates haven't voted yet, they can flip it either way.
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Postby Covenstone » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:03 am

Araraukar wrote:
The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper wrote:[b]OOC: Not gonna pass, already losing by a 2-1 margin.

OOC: Most superdelegates haven't voted yet, they can flip it either way.


<ooc>Plus it is now running at 2-3 against, more or less</ooc>
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Postby The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper » Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:24 am

OOC: Hmmm... now it's 5-4 against. This might get interesting.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:49 am

The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper wrote:OOC: Hmmm... now it's 5-4 against. This might get interesting.

I was going to note this. There was a strong undercurrent of support from uninformed voters, which continued to expand at a significantly higher rate than expected from the stack that was applied.

EDIT: Funkadelia just switched his vote, bringing the current tally to 49 pc in favour, 51 pc against.
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:07 am

Well, for what it's worth, I switch mine to no.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:08 am

Wrapper wrote:Well, for what it's worth, I switch mine to no.

I think there's a good chance you may want to rectify your earlier 'correction'. :P
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:41 am

Wallenburg wrote:Whereas, the established conventions of the World Assembly include no use of the word "whereas" to begin clauses, be it decided by the Wallenburgian delegation to withhold its support from a repeal that will never be necessary.


"Your predictions, unfortunately, may prove incorrect." Blackbourne says. "It seems the target resolution is now passing by 100 votes."
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Postby The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:15 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wrapper wrote:Well, for what it's worth, I switch mine to no.

I think there's a good chance you may want to rectify your earlier 'correction'. :P

OOC: I said it, I own it, no going back. :blush:
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:16 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
However it is, preliminary voting trends towards a 50-50 (EDIT: Now increasingly something around a 55-45) split amongst the general body. There is a not insignificant chance that the proposal shall pass.

It's pretty small. I'm betting that this thing gets properly curbstomped.

I'm betting that delegates with their ears to the ground know how votes usually go.

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Postby Aclion » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:47 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Whereas, the established conventions of the World Assembly include no use of the word "whereas" to begin clauses, be it decided by the Wallenburgian delegation to withhold its support from a repeal that will never be necessary.

CELICE;

VEXED by this july assembly's fondness for the adjective soup format;

HEREBY;

DEFINES adjective soup as a legislative format characterized by the use of adjectives to begin preambulatory clauses;

RECOGNIZES the European delegation's noble effort in promoting alternative formats for legislation;

GIFTS the European delegation a bottle of chilled Cabernet Franc from the minifridge she had installed under her desk during the drafting of GAR#349

MAKES a rather rude face at the Wallenburgian delegation
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Aclion wrote:*snip*

OOC: Joke proposals have their own thread, and it's not this one. :P
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Aclion wrote:
CELICE;

VEXED by this july assembly's fondness for the adjective soup format;

HEREBY;

DEFINES adjective soup as a legislative format characterized by the use of adjectives to begin preambulatory clauses;

RECOGNIZES the European delegation's noble effort in promoting alternative formats for legislation;

GIFTS the European delegation a bottle of chilled Cabernet Franc from the minifridge she had installed under her desk during the drafting of GAR#349

MAKES a rather rude face at the Wallenburgian delegation

"Clauses in repeals often begin with present participle verb forms, such as Believing or Commending or Noting or Restating or Laughing." Blackbourne notes. "These occur with about the same frequency as adjectives."
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Postby Bakhton » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:35 pm

"I respect your high standards for resolutions, however I believe this proposal provides a net positive and functions as set out. Also, in no way does providing access to one group to easier education through ramps infringe on another. There isn't a group of people that can only walk on stairs but not on ramps. No reason you can't have both and elevators and accommodations without infringing the rights of others."
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:56 pm

Bakhton wrote:*snip*

OOC: The thing at vote right now is worded so that someone with an allergy would qualify as disabled.
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Postby Bakhton » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:58 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Bakhton wrote:*snip*

OOC: The thing at vote right now is worded so that someone with an allergy would qualify as disabled.

OOC: No sane nation would interpret it that way, unless they wanted to.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:34 pm

Bakhton wrote:OOC: No sane nation would interpret it that way, unless they wanted to.

They would not need to want anything. They would be forced to. The law does what the law says.

EDIT: RNT applies to things like the what the word 'quota' means in Sciongrad's World Assembly Agreement on Trade when it 'Instructs all member states to abolish all quotas, subsidies, tariffs and other protectionist measures with immediate effect'. What does the word quota mean? Does it include quotas in party list voting? No, it doesn't, because that would be ridiculous from the context of the proposal's other words around it. Also, no, because that would be ridiculous, since no reasonable nation would do such a thing.

But, hypothetically, if quota were explicitly defined as 'a limit at some number of things', then yes, it would include such party list voting quotas. Yes, that would be ridiculous, but votes are still things, and a party list voting system with quotas would include such votes, their being things. The definition of disabled is explicitly defined as 'having a physical or mental condition that limits movements, senses, or activities'. If it does those things, then it counts in that definition.

I don't think the 'disabled's definition is too large' argument is a strong one. There is no real impact, since the 'accommodations' provided vis-à-vis some of the 'disabilities' that would exist are trivial – if you are asleep, you will be woken up; if you have allergies, you will be administered medication or told to tough it out. The level of accommodation needed is insignificant.
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Postby Covenstone » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:53 pm

The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Sir Humphrey Appleby > Many, many things must be done, but nothing must be done for the first time.

OOC: Fixed that for you. ;) Not gonna pass, already losing by a 2-1 margin.


<ooc>Sorry to ask a silly question but how did you not think this would pass? It's your basic feel good resolution about doing nice things for disabled people? Even I was all for voting for it until I read the fine print.

(Should there be a sudden negative surge in the next two days, I may retract this statement)</ooc>
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