[DEFEATED] Int'l Service of Process

[Separatist Peoples]

"So, you're opposed because you're still mad about the capital punishment debate? That's as bad as opposing something without having read it, since your arguments are neither cogent nor relevant. If that is how you judge a proposal, ambassador, I'm willing to count your vote against."

Respectfully, evidence of the merits (or otherwise) of the jurisdictions whose process we're being asked to serve is relevant. I'm sure this will pass fairly comfortably, however

"No, it isnt. Service of process is not a jurisdictional claim. It's a notice requirement, so individuals and business dont end up with default judgments against them for claims they never even knew were against them. The service of process, at best, presumes a rebuttable argument of jurisdiction by the petitioner that the respondent may argue without touching the merits of the claim at all."

[Uan aa Boa]

"No, it isnt. Service of process is not a jurisdictional claim. It's a notice requirement, so individuals and business dont end up with default judgments against them for claims they never even knew were against them. The service of process, at best, presumes a rebuttable argument of jurisdiction by the petitioner that the respondent may argue without touching the merits of the claim at all."

Thank you, I'm aware of what service of process is. All I'm saying is that recent events in this chamber have highlighted the reasons my government would prefer to retain the option to completely ignore Imperial Imperium of Edgy Memes type nations, together with all their unserved processes, when it chooses to do so.

It was a minor point and I won't belabour it further.

[Separatist Peoples]

"No, it isnt. Service of process is not a jurisdictional claim. It's a notice requirement, so individuals and business dont end up with default judgments against them for claims they never even knew were against them. The service of process, at best, presumes a rebuttable argument of jurisdiction by the petitioner that the respondent may argue without touching the merits of the claim at all."

Thank you, I'm aware of what service of process is. All I'm saying is that recent events in this chamber have highlighted the reasons my government would prefer to retain the option to completely ignore Imperial Imperium of Edgy Memes type nations, together with all their unserved processes, when it chooses to do so.

It was a minor point and I won't belabour it further.

"Then you know that your concerns are without any realistic connection to this proposal. Your whole reaction boils down to 'I dont agree with the WA right now, so Nyah!'

"By ignoring foreign service of process on the grounds that you dont want to interact with those states, you subject yourself to tit-for-tat reprisal, denying your citizens similar opportunity for relief. And you dont spare your people or your government anything, as you will quickly find your people liable for damages and court costs they never knew were a risk. You aren't shielding them from anything, merely denying them the chance to respond.

"Finally, you deny the WA at large the opportunity for normalized access to civil justice, a huge barrier to commerce, by ignoring service from foreign jurisdictions. Facilitated and normalized process is a huge advantage among nations."

Bell looks around at the rest of the chamber. "Please don't mistake my zealous advocacy as a desire for the Boaan vote. If the Boaan ambassador insists on petulance, what can I do to change his mind? I can use it as a teaching moment for why this line of thinking is patently absurd."

He turns back to the Boaan ambassador. "Thank you for being a teachable moment."

[Lillaria]

Does something as trivial as sending letters really need to be enforced by the WA? Surely nations can be trusted to handle such a simple issue on their own.

[United Massachusetts]

VOTE AGAINST! #NATSOV

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

"You want to establish a process where we let them notify for a legal action case for the foreign party to know?" "And for businesses?" "This isn't difficult, a nation can handle that on their own. "

[Imperium Anglorum]

lolno

[United Massachusetts]

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lolno

Very classy of me.

Though, it feels less harmless the more I look at it.

[Kenmoria]

"You want to establish a process where we let them notify for a legal action case for the foreign party to know?" "And for businesses?" "This isn't difficult, a nation can handle that on their own. "

“It is the job of the WA to regulate things that member nations could do by themselves. For example, member nations are perfectly able to legalise abortion, or permit male circumcision, of ban capital punishment without the WA’s help, but we still make resolutions on those topics, much to the detriment of my sanity.

Also, the Kenmorian delegation firmly votes FOR this proposal.”

[Christian Democrats]

4. Where service of process cannot be accomplished through post, member states must either:

a. Allow agents of a foreign court entry into their nation and provide sufficient assistance to allow the agent to serve process upon recipient party, or
b. Dispatch an agent of their own court to serve process upon the recipient party on the foreign jurisdiction’s behalf.

We're opposed to this section. We don't believe member states should be forced to bear the costs of foreign legal systems, especially when those costs pertain to civil cases. Some member states have populations who are quite litigious, and this proposal could impose substantial and unreasonable burdens on neighboring member states where large numbers of expatriates live.

The Most Holy and Grand Empire continues to feel this way. We have voted against this proposal.

[United New England]

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lolno

Wow. I just want to make it abundantly clear that United New England is not affiliated with United Massachusetts, as there are some similarities between our nations (names, locations, certain progressive political beliefs) that might be cause for confusion.

[The Sect Meces]

Ambassador Leman blinks at the proposal and let's out a sigh of relief.

"Ok it's not what I thought it was, so from what I'm reading this is basically just a mandatory mail system?"

Leman's eyes dart around.

"Or am I not reading to deeply into it?"

[Separatist Peoples]

Ambassador Leman blinks at the proposal and let's out a sigh of relief.

"Ok it's not what I thought it was, so from what I'm reading this is basically just a mandatory mail system?"

Leman's eyes dart around.

"Or am I not reading to deeply into it?"

"Its literally just a notice requirement. Not that you'll have to comply, it seems."

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lolno

Wow. I just want to make it abundantly clear that United New England is not affiliated with United Massachusetts, as there are some similarities between our nations (names, locations, certain progressive political beliefs) that might be cause for confusion.

"Good to know. Petty vincdictiveness on something as very moderate as this is disappointing and telling."

We're opposed to this section. We don't believe member states should be forced to bear the costs of foreign legal systems, especially when those costs pertain to civil cases. Some member states have populations who are quite litigious, and this proposal could impose substantial and unreasonable burdens on neighboring member states where large numbers of expatriates live.

The Most Holy and Grand Empire continues to feel this way. We have voted against this proposal.

"Again, you would only pay if you barred the agent's entry. Obstructionism has its costs."

[West Phoenicia]

The Confederate Empire of West Phoenicia has voted against this resolution. Not all nations are incompetent in their handling of matters.

[United Massachusetts]

It's nothing against you Sep. I initially wanted to oppose for fun, and canvassed to that end, partly as a test of present GA conditions, and partly born out of a joke taken too far from the GA forums. I apologize. It wasn't petty or vindictive; just me testing GA conditions.

[Separatist Peoples]

The Confederate Empire of West Phoenicia has voted against this resolution. Not all nations are incompetent in their handling of matters.

"Ambassador, that some nations will willfully obstruct foreign process indicates that this transnational issue is worthy of attention. Besides, this has fuckall to do with your domestic process."

[Liberimery]

The Confederate Empire of West Phoenicia has voted against this resolution. Not all nations are incompetent in their handling of matters.

"Ambassador, that some nations will willfully obstruct foreign process indicates that this transnational issue is worthy of attention. Besides, this has fuckall to do with your domestic process."

Ambassador, while you are entitled to your own opinions, I do believe your uncivil younger in these August halls are winning you no support in your endeavor for a coalition to support your own proposals.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ambassador, that some nations will willfully obstruct foreign process indicates that this transnational issue is worthy of attention. Besides, this has fuckall to do with your domestic process."

Ambassador, while you are entitled to your own opinions, I do believe your uncivil younger in these August halls are winning you no support in your endeavor for a coalition to support your own proposals.

"Civility is only worth something when it accomplishes goals. You've decided to oppose despite cogent arguments why this is in your favor, why it protects your people and why it furthers your business interests. In the face of unreasonable obstructionism, I've only profanity to offer.

"Besides, none of my obscenity is directed in a hostile manner. "

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

"Before I tell our WA department how to vote on the issue, I would like to know what, exactly, "int'l" is supposed to mean."
-The Dictator, visiting the WA in person for the first time in years.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Before I tell our WA department how to vote on the issue, I would like to know what, exactly, "int'l" is supposed to mean."
-The Dictator, visiting the WA in person for the first time in years.

"Its the legal standard abreviation for International, held over from before the title character limit was expanded."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Go fish. http://www.personal.psu.edu/dhk3/resear ... T-06.htm#I

[Lord Dominator]

"Hrm, seem harmless enough. Support."

[Those Spaniards]

Ambassador, while you are entitled to your own opinions, I do believe your uncivil younger in these August halls are winning you no support in your endeavor for a coalition to support your own proposals.

"Civility is only worth something when it accomplishes goals. You've decided to oppose despite cogent arguments why this is in your favor, why it protects your people and why it furthers your business interests. In the face of unreasonable obstructionism, I've only profanity to offer.

"Besides, none of my obscenity is directed in a hostile manner. "

"Being on the losing side of an argument is no reason to discard civility, Mr. Ambassador!

"Those Spaniards stand in opposition to this proposed legislation."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Civility is only worth something when it accomplishes goals. You've decided to oppose despite cogent arguments why this is in your favor, why it protects your people and why it furthers your business interests. In the face of unreasonable obstructionism, I've only profanity to offer.

"Besides, none of my obscenity is directed in a hostile manner. "

"Being on the losing side of an argument is no reason to discard civility, Mr. Ambassador!

"Those Spaniards stand in opposition to this proposed legislation."

"I'm this civil all the time. Win or lose."

[Kenmoria]

"Civility is only worth something when it accomplishes goals. You've decided to oppose despite cogent arguments why this is in your favor, why it protects your people and why it furthers your business interests. In the face of unreasonable obstructionism, I've only profanity to offer.

"Besides, none of my obscenity is directed in a hostile manner. "

"Being on the losing side of an argument is no reason to discard civility, Mr. Ambassador!

"Those Spaniards stand in opposition to this proposed legislation."

“Civility is highly overrated. I for one will not stand for any restrictions on freedom of speech in the name of ‘politeness’ or ‘etiquette’. Such concepts are alien to the vast and inefficient body of the WA. Ambassadors have to undergo all sorts of things in this festering snakepit, sometimes only rudeness can retain sanity.”