[DEFEATED] Repeal of Rights and Duties of WA States

[Araraukar]

I'm not here looking for cooperation. I'm making it clear that Moderation's actions in response to "Repeal 'Stopping Suicide Seeds'" were not excusable, and that I will not stand for another incident like it.

I will remember this in the future. I'm sure Moderation will, too. Since you don't seek cooperation, I'm certainly not inclined to lend it.

OOC: You agreed with that, SP, as did most of the GenSec members, back then.

[Separatist Peoples]

I will remember this in the future. I'm sure Moderation will, too. Since you don't seek cooperation, I'm certainly not inclined to lend it.

OOC: You agreed with that, SP, as did most of the GenSec members, back then.

But I'm not calling Moderation incompetent without new provocation.

[Araraukar]

But I'm not calling Moderation incompetent without new provocation.

OOC: Which is why I underlined the specific thing I was referring to.

[Auralia]

OOC: Keshiland, I hope you realize that you've effectively poisoned the well for a sincere repeal of GAR #2 for another six months or so. Was this really worth it?

[Wallenburg]

OOC: You agreed with that, SP, as did most of the GenSec members, back then.

But I'm not calling Moderation incompetent without new provocation.

Fris's insistence that intentional lying does not constitute an Honest Mistake, when the rules were changed specifically to make it so, was provocation. Moderation's failure to handle the situation so long ago was provocation. Honestly, I feel I would be justified in even harsher words, but I am not one to burn bridges.

OOC: Keshiland, I hope you realize that you've effectively poisoned the well for a sincere repeal of GAR #2 for another six months or so. Was this really worth it?

"I misread you. I thought you were just a misguided idealist. But you're a dangerous man. People like you would destroy the Federation if given a chance. Fortunately, there are people like me who will die to protect it."

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

2) Toxicity is bad for members of the GA community and for new writers or debaters. Apart from Wrapper--who, as you know, is too preoccupied to participate in Moderation--no one in Moderation qualifies as any of those.

That's funny. Wrapper is the one who issued that "Lying is perfectly OK in repeals" ruling, isn't he?

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

OOC: Keshiland, I hope you realize that you've effectively poisoned the well for a sincere repeal of GAR #2 for another six months or so. Was this really worth it?

Good. Everyone's sick of your obsession with this resolution anyway.

[Excidium Planetis]

OOC: Keshiland, I hope you realize that you've effectively poisoned the well for a sincere repeal of GAR #2 for another six months or so. Was this really worth it?

Good. Everyone's sick of your obsession with this resolution anyway.

Not everyone.

[Ferret Civilization]

"In fact, any mandate may as well point in the different direction: Towards more sovereignty. Do we know that all delegations vote for the repeal with the same desires for a replacement as Keshiland? No, certainly not. Some may simply view it as instrumental to getting rid of the targeted resolution. Some, as the Kennyite Ambassador demonstrated earlier, may just want to see the world burn. A vote for a repeal is a vote against the targeted resolution, not for any particular potential replacement.
Of course, only losing 10:1 may be a huge, undeserved win for Keshiland. This particular repeal ought to have been voted down with everyone but Keshiland voting against, and only Keshiland voting for, so having more than a thousand delegations currently in favour is highly surprising."

This statement sparked some curiosity out of the Ferret ambassador Furettium, with that he left the debate hall, coming back some time later with a single sheet of paper.

"An ambassador here had brought up why anyone could possibly vote for this legislation, and to waste some time while the vote is going on I decided to go ask the hundred or so delegates that have voted for this why they did so. Besides the fact that most just do not like GA #2.

For national sovereignty - 5
Region parties voted for - 4
For chaos - 3
Pity - 2
Hate the GA - 2
GA has too much power - 1
Increase to political freedoms - 1

Of course this was just a small sample size, and not all the delegates are very social. But it distracted me from this here and hey, worthless information, it is something. Take of it what you will shows the mind set of what some has to come up against."

[Wallenburg]

Pity - 2

[Thermodolia]

"In fact, any mandate may as well point in the different direction: Towards more sovereignty. Do we know that all delegations vote for the repeal with the same desires for a replacement as Keshiland? No, certainly not. Some may simply view it as instrumental to getting rid of the targeted resolution. Some, as the Kennyite Ambassador demonstrated earlier, may just want to see the world burn. A vote for a repeal is a vote against the targeted resolution, not for any particular potential replacement.
Of course, only losing 10:1 may be a huge, undeserved win for Keshiland. This particular repeal ought to have been voted down with everyone but Keshiland voting against, and only Keshiland voting for, so having more than a thousand delegations currently in favour is highly surprising."

This statement sparked some curiosity out of the Ferret ambassador Furettium, with that he left the debate hall, coming back some time later with a single sheet of paper.

"An ambassador here had brought up why anyone could possibly vote for this legislation, and to waste some time while the vote is going on I decided to go ask the hundred or so delegates that have voted for this why they did so. Besides the fact that most just do not like GA #2.

For national sovereignty - 5
Region parties voted for - 4
For chaos - 3
Pity - 2
Hate the GA - 2
GA has too much power - 1
Increase to political freedoms - 1

Of course this was just a small sample size, and not all the delegates are very social. But it distracted me from this here and hey, worthless information, it is something. Take of it what you will shows the mind set of what some has to come up against."

"Interesting. Not one of those who are voting for the proposal want to increase the power of the WA." Jon says as his rabbit hops around the chamber

[Araraukar]

Good. Everyone's sick of your obsession with this resolution anyway.

Not everyone.

OOC: Many/most of us are...

[Staics]

This practically destroys the establishment of International Diplomacy. Not to mention destroying rights of every individual nation for an organisation that can easily be corrupted.

Who and why would vote for this?!

[Auralia]

OOC: Keshiland, I hope you realize that you've effectively poisoned the well for a sincere repeal of GAR #2 for another six months or so. Was this really worth it?

"I misread you. I thought you were just a misguided idealist. But you're a dangerous man. People like you would destroy the Federation if given a chance. Fortunately, there are people like me who will die to protect it."

So you're Sloan and I'm Bashir? I'm honoured.

[Cedoria]

This practically destroys the establishment of International Diplomacy. Not to mention destroying rights of every individual nation for an organisation that can easily be corrupted.

Who and why would vote for this?!

I suspect for precisely the reasons you just pointed out....

Or because people didn't read it before they voted for it, more likely....

[Thermodolia]

This practically destroys the establishment of International Diplomacy. Not to mention destroying rights of every individual nation for an organisation that can easily be corrupted.

Who and why would vote for this?!

I suspect for precisely the reasons you just pointed out....

Or because people didn't read it before they voted for it, more likely....

Or out of pity

[The Atlae Isles]

Pity - 2

Hey, TEP's delegate (Hobbesistan) voted for in pity (then switched it). Is that why Funkadelia voted for?

[UED]

I honestly never thought I'd live to see this day on NS

AGAINST, but such a strong urge to troll and vote FOR.

[Willania Imperium]

"Repeal "Rights and Duties of WA States"" was defeated 15,104 votes to 2,041.

Well, it's no brainer that it failed so miserably. What I'm interested in is how Keshiland andthat crazy psycho Sackeshi will react.

[Frisbeeteria]

What I'm interested in is how Keshiland andthat crazy psycho Sackeshi will react.

Strikeout codes do not absolve you from being warned for flaming. Knock it off.

[Astrolinium]

"It's all over (but the crying), mercifully."

[The New California Republic]

Well, it's no brainer that it failed so miserably. What I'm interested in is how Keshiland ... will react.

OOC: Keshiland has been silent so far. Hopefully the overwhelming defeat will make him think twice before submitting such an awful proposal again.

[Keshiland]

It was both a failure and a success. I might have lost big but I now know that I have the support of 2000 nations that I can now incorporate into a new federation!

[The Manticoran Empire]

It was both a failure and a success. I might have lost big but I now know that I have the support of 2000 nations that I can now incorporate into a new federation!

That's not how this works.

[The New California Republic]

It was both a failure and a success. I might have lost big but I now know that I have the support of 2000 nations that I can now incorporate into a new federation!

OOC: And what exactly are you expecting to happen, hmm? For those 2000 nations to split away and form a new "Federation"? Lunacy. Sheer lunacy. First, the game code would not let that happen. Second, the idea of a parallel organization existing alongside the current World Assembly, that broadly speaking aims for similar objectives, would be pointless. Please, let this idea die, Keshiland, there is a point when you need to let it die with some small shred of dignity.