[DEFEATED] Commend Christian Democrats

[Appalachia]

Anyone who is voting against this is someone who refuses to see through their own hatred of a particular conservative ideology. Especially when considering the fact that Christian Democrats has authored so many WA Resolutions, and most of the people who have voted against have authored none. He has contributed to this game in such an extensive manner, it would be horrific to NOT commend him.

That's all well and good but recent events need to be taken into account. I for one feel that CD has recently misused his power on the Secretariat to approve proposals that are patently illegal under the rules of the GA but conform to his personal ideology, and vote against resolutions that shouldn't be illegal but don't fit his views.

To be honest, I don't know why the Secretariat was created in the first place, were we not functioning fine without it? And once it was created I'm not sure why someone so controversial and with such strong views, prolific an issue author as he may be, to a body that should be objective.

[United Massachusetts]

Anyone who is voting against this is someone who refuses to see through their own hatred of a particular conservative ideology. Especially when considering the fact that Christian Democrats has authored so many WA Resolutions, and most of the people who have voted against have authored none. He has contributed to this game in such an extensive manner, it would be horrific to NOT commend him.

That's all well and good but recent events need to be taken into account. I for one feel that CD has recently misused his power on the Secretariat to approve proposals that are patently illegal under the rules of the GA but conform to his personal ideology, and vote against resolutions that shouldn't be illegal but don't fit his views.

To be honest, I don't know why the Secretariat was created in the first place, were we not functioning fine without it? And once it was created I'm not sure why someone so controversial and with such strong views, prolific an issue author as he may be, to a body that should be objective.

Can you provide one example?

[Drasnia]

Umm, why was I mentioned in this without recognizing the contributions of other OPs of the spoiler thread like Ballotonia or Golgothastan?

So people trying to find the thread didn't look for CD's name. I'm sorry.

I mean, it could have been used to help strengthen the argument by pointing out that at one point he maintained the spoiler thread, something that was used in my commend, but as it stands, it does nothing for the actual proposal.

[NovoUnitopius]

I am too new of a member and unfamiliar with the history of Christian Democrats activity in the WA and SC as a whole to make a fair assessment of if they do or do not deserve this Commendation, regardless of their political leanings or religious beliefs aligning with my own nation's ideologies or policies.

I am still trying to research even the resolutions listed in the Commendation resolution, let alone going through the thread here and the past history of interactions, some of which is too convoluted for me to even research so at this point, I just don't feel comfortable voting.

Thank you all for understanding my abstaining.

[The Chan Islanders]

It's a pity people are voting against this. Christian Democrats had more than earned this through contributions on Got Issues? Happily voting against the majority FOR though.

[Ru-]

regardless of how i feel personally about the ideologies and the attitude displayed by target of this commendation, i feel his contributions to the game and to this site as outlined in this proposal deserve recognition so for that reason i am voting for.

i don't feel like commendations should be popularity contests, but rather should serve as a way to make sure that the people who put the work in to provide quality issues and resolutions, and who take the time to help new players and regions learn the game are rewarded for that time and effort.

i'm disappointed to see this get the early stomp treatment, ah well.

[Dilyu]

What a wank of a proposal, thankfully 70%+ are voting against it.

[United Massachusetts]

What a wank of a proposal, thankfully 70%+ are voting against it.

Why are you opposed?

[States of Glory]

To be honest, I don't know why the Secretariat was created in the first place, were we not functioning fine without it? And once it was created I'm not sure why someone so controversial and with such strong views, prolific an issue author as he may be, to a body that should be objective.

Firstly, no, we weren't functioning fine. There were many differences between how the Mods interpreted the rules and how the GA community interpreted the rules, there was a perceived lack of consistency in Mod rulings, most of the GA Mods were inactive and there was a perception that the Mods were too slow in issuing rulings.

Secondly, to my understanding, CD was appointed partially because he held strong views that often clashed with the majority. Imagine if SCOTUS was made up of all liberal or all conservative judges. Variety is essential to ensure that rulings are as fair as possible.

I'm not saying that GenSec's perfect, but it's a whole lot better than the previous system.

[Sienkahn]

And I am again reminded why I generally do not speak while the Security Council is in session.

The Proposal At Vote is to commend a Nation. Naturally, there are those who will be for and against said Proposal before it comes to vote. As my Nation has not had a representative in the Security Council for as long as others have had representatives here, I will be ignoring their arguments for a number of reasons:
(1) Joining an argument already in progress that I have neither context for nor a stake in will only serve to polarize the opinions of other Nation Representatives for or against me;
(2) Allowing myself to be wholly swayed by arguments that are at this point more ideological in nature than not would not lead to proper decision-making on my part;
(3) Coming to a decision about a Proposal without considering said proposal on its own merit would be irresponsible of a Representative who has had no experience with the Representative in question, such as myself.

Viewing, then, the merits of the Proposal:

- The Representative in question has authored eight Resolutions. Upon reading said Resolutions, I can conclude that those Resolutions were more non-partisan than partisan and have been mostly in the realm of increasing human rights (GA#160, GA#200, GA#213, GA#285, GA#310, GA#373).
- The Representative in question brought to light four Issues of importance to all Nations.
- The Representative in question compiled and maintained a list of all known Issues that Nations may face over the course of their history.
- The Representative in question has allegedly contributed to a community that is less boring to be a part of than it would have been without their contributions.



That being said, the arguments both for and against the Proposal cannot be ignored entirely.

Of the arguments against, the vast majority do not separate opposition to the Proposal from opposition to the Representative in Question.
Of the arguments for, the majority do not separate support for the Proposal from support for the Representative in Question.
Therefore, the arguments made by my fellow Representatives must be given a lesser weight than the Proposal itself.

As such, the achievements listed in the Proposal would lead me to believe that this Proposal holds merit.
The arguments for the Proposal are mostly refutations (or attempts thereof) of arguments made against it.
The arguments against the Proposal are mostly denouncements of the Representative in question or attempted refutations of the attempted refutations of earlier arguments against it.



Conclusion: Voting on this Proposal would not be productive for international relations.

Sienkahn will therefore Abstain.

- R. Erich, Warden of the Sienkivate

[Adytus]

From the Osiris Fraternal Order
And the office of the Vizier of World Assembly Affairs

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“As Ra makes his way across the heavily sky, and the cycle of the universe continues, the people of Osiris and its prosperity of the Nile, after consulting with the community, and the gods Seshat and Ma’at, have determined to vote AGAINST the current resolution. The Pharaoh will vote according to the people, and according to Ma’at. His actions are necessary in maintaining the balance between order and chaos, truth and darkness, and Osiris will follow the Pharaoh’s direction. The government of the Osiris Fraternal Order will consider no proposal without the text meeting the requirements of Ma’at. We will continue to uphold our moral responsibilities to the people, maintaining and voting in favor of any proposals that will forward the truth and honor that is expected of all who call Osiris home. Cosmic harmony is only obtainable through expressing the will of Ma’at, and the will of the Pharaoh. Although we have derived at this decision, the author of the proposal is welcome to present a case that would enlighten the Pharaoh and the community to the purpose of the proposal, and perhaps change the will of the gods, the Pharaoh, and the community. If this interests you, please visit our kingdom and speak your knowledge here. All information is important, and will be presented to Seshat, the goddess of wisdom, knowledge, and writing to help direct the Pharaoh to make the right decision for the people of fraternal order. If you have any questions about Osiris in the World Assembly, please direct them to the office of the Vizier of World Assembly Affairs by sending Adytus a telegram. For more general questions regarding Osiris, please direct them to the Pharaoh, Syberis. Thank you fellow ambassadors, and author of the current proposal at vote, for your time. Osiris, her people, and the office of the Sub-Vizier greatly appreciate your time, and patients.

Best Regards,
The Vizier of World Assembly Affairs, Adytus.”

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Pax Prosperitas

By Order of His Imperial Majesty's Government

In spite of the clear unpopularity of this proposal, and our marked disapproval and disgust with everything that the much-reviled Christian Democrats has ever seen fit to fight for, the Aestorian Commonwealth would like to express its unfettered and admiring commendation of Christian Democrats' undoubted contribution to international affairs, and to express our unreserved pride and delight to vote in favour of this proposal to do the same.

~ His Imperial Highness Richard Henry Terefort-Kazpia,
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and the International Commonwealth,
The Aestorian Commonwealth

[Gatito]

Getting not one, but three, telegrams asking for delegate approvals made me a little less than eager to support this in any capacity.

[Sciongrad]

It's really interesting to me to see that General Assembly 'big shots' have spent most of their posts in this thread calling people "small minded", "dumb", "petty", and "pathetic" (etc, etc). Is that childish level of discourse all we can expect from you? With support from charming folks like you, this resolution is sure to pass.

No one is calling anyone else small minded or dumb, just rightly recognizing that the act of opposing a commendation because of someone's OOC political views is both small minded, dumb, and, in fact, many other awful things too. CD deserves a commendation. It's a shame everyone's obsession with imaginary abortions is getting in the way of that.

If a commendation of a rightly commendable gameplayer failed because the target player was too liberal, this forum would probably be on fire. And that's coming from me.

[Templar Republic]

Your Excellencies,

Putting aside political disagreements and recognizing the work done for humanity and international stability, the Holy Empire of Templar Republic will vote for this resolution.

Sincerely yours.

[Greater Cesnica]

It's really interesting to me to see that General Assembly 'big shots' have spent most of their posts in this thread calling people "small minded", "dumb", "petty", and "pathetic" (etc, etc). Is that childish level of discourse all we can expect from you? With support from charming folks like you, this resolution is sure to pass.

No one is calling anyone else small minded or dumb, just rightly recognizing that the act of opposing a commendation because of someone's OOC political views is both small minded, dumb, and, in fact, many other awful things too. CD deserves a commendation. It's a shame everyone's obsession with imaginary abortions is getting in the way of that.

If a commendation of a rightly commendable gameplayer failed because the target player was too liberal, this forum would probably be on fire. And that's coming from me.

Jesus Christ, you fucking hit them hard right there.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

That's all well and good but recent events need to be taken into account. I for one feel that CD has recently misused his power on the Secretariat to approve proposals that are patently illegal under the rules of the GA but conform to his personal ideology, and vote against resolutions that shouldn't be illegal but don't fit his views.

If you have an accusation of GenSec misconduct to levy, the place to do it is in Moderation or by GHR. This is not the proper venue for slinging unsupported allegations around.

[Wallenburg]

That's all well and good but recent events need to be taken into account. I for one feel that CD has recently misused his power on the Secretariat to approve proposals that are patently illegal under the rules of the GA but conform to his personal ideology, and vote against resolutions that shouldn't be illegal but don't fit his views.

If you have an accusation of GenSec misconduct to levy, the place to do it is in Moderation or by GHR. This is not the proper venue for slinging unsupported allegations around.

That is, until Moderation throws it back to this thread.

[Kylia Quilor]

It's really interesting to me to see that General Assembly 'big shots' have spent most of their posts in this thread calling people "small minded", "dumb", "petty", and "pathetic" (etc, etc). Is that childish level of discourse all we can expect from you? With support from charming folks like you, this resolution is sure to pass.

No one is calling anyone else small minded or dumb, just rightly recognizing that the act of opposing a commendation because of someone's OOC political views is both small minded, dumb, and, in fact, many other awful things too. CD deserves a commendation. It's a shame everyone's obsession with imaginary abortions is getting in the way of that.

If a commendation of a rightly commendable gameplayer failed because the target player was too liberal, this forum would probably be on fire. And that's coming from me.

What is 'right' about CD's commendation? His GA resolution work? If you disagree with his GA resolutions, you don't tend to think they're commendworthy behavior... that's not small-minded, that's just how logic works.

Also, CD is just a repungant person to talk to or interact with, so that's really why I oppose this collected pile of nonsense.

[Sciongrad]

No one is calling anyone else small minded or dumb, just rightly recognizing that the act of opposing a commendation because of someone's OOC political views is both small minded, dumb, and, in fact, many other awful things too. CD deserves a commendation. It's a shame everyone's obsession with imaginary abortions is getting in the way of that.

If a commendation of a rightly commendable gameplayer failed because the target player was too liberal, this forum would probably be on fire. And that's coming from me.

What is 'right' about CD's commendation? His GA resolution work? If you disagree with his GA resolutions, you don't tend to think they're commendworthy behavior... that's not small-minded, that's just how logic works..

Which resolutions? The one that ensures those with disabilities have all necessary assistance in voting? The one that outlaws forced marriages? The one that stopped corporations from profiting from the exploitation of poor farmers? You know he's never passed an abortion resolution, right?

And even if you disagree with his work (although I suspect you are unfamiliar with it), his contribution to the game from an OOC perspective is substantial and commendable. This vote is a sham.

If you have an accusation of GenSec misconduct to levy, the place to do it is in Moderation or by GHR. This is not the proper venue for slinging unsupported allegations around.

That is, until Moderation throws it back to this thread.

If your complaint is that GenSec is abusing its power, it belongs in moderation. If you're just whining, then it will be sent back to this forum.

[Greater Cesnica]

If you have an accusation of GenSec misconduct to levy, the place to do it is in Moderation or by GHR. This is not the proper venue for slinging unsupported allegations around.

That is, until Moderation throws it back to this thread.

Would you like to report GenSec for abuse of power? Go ahead.

[Greater Cesnica]

No one is calling anyone else small minded or dumb, just rightly recognizing that the act of opposing a commendation because of someone's OOC political views is both small minded, dumb, and, in fact, many other awful things too. CD deserves a commendation. It's a shame everyone's obsession with imaginary abortions is getting in the way of that.

If a commendation of a rightly commendable gameplayer failed because the target player was too liberal, this forum would probably be on fire. And that's coming from me.

What is 'right' about CD's commendation? His GA resolution work? If you disagree with his GA resolutions, you don't tend to think they're commendworthy behavior... that's not small-minded, that's just how logic works.

Also, CD is just a repungant person to talk to or interact with, so that's really why I oppose this collected pile of nonsense.

What past interaction do you have with CD? I'm a Muslim Red Tory. He doesn't hate on me, so what the fuck has he ever done to you?

[Greater Cesnica]

Anyone who is voting against this is someone who refuses to see through their own hatred of a particular conservative ideology. Especially when considering the fact that Christian Democrats has authored so many WA Resolutions, and most of the people who have voted against have authored none. He has contributed to this game in such an extensive manner, it would be horrific to NOT commend him.

That's all well and good but recent events need to be taken into account. I for one feel that CD has recently misused his power on the Secretariat to approve proposals that are patently illegal under the rules of the GA but conform to his personal ideology, and vote against resolutions that shouldn't be illegal but don't fit his views.

To be honest, I don't know why the Secretariat was created in the first place, were we not functioning fine without it? And once it was created I'm not sure why someone so controversial and with such strong views, prolific an issue author as he may be, to a body that should be objective.

Please give us one fucking example.

[Wallenburg]

That is, until Moderation throws it back to this thread.

Would you like to report GenSec for abuse of power? Go ahead.

Apparently saying anything that doesn't pleasure GenSec is an accusation of abuse. Splendid.

[Wrapper]

Also, CD is just a repungant person to talk to or interact with, so that's really why I oppose this collected pile of nonsense.

Let's steer clear of the personal attacks, shall we?