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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:24 am

Dolgavakia wrote:Aaaand people are stacking against it.

*Monty Burns voice*

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:33 am

For the most part, this resolution is written well enough, and the arguments are compelling. However, one clause confuses me. You say that CD leads Right to Life. How can they do that if they aren't even in Right to Life?
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Or perhaps they disagree that the stated items merit commendation. Or perhaps they didn't read the resolution. In addition, authoring resolutions does not make you a good player. We have plenty of terrible resolutions in the books, some of them still unrepealed. Author count is irrelevant; what you must consider is the quality of the resolutions written.
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Postby Europe and Oceania » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:35 am

We voted against this.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:25 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Dolgavakia wrote:Aaaand people are stacking against it.

*Monty Burns voice*

Excellent!

But why tho.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:26 am

Wallenburg wrote:For the most part, this resolution is written well enough, and the arguments are compelling. However, one clause confuses me. You say that CD leads Right to Life. How can they do that if they aren't even in Right to Life?
Greater Cesnica wrote:Anyone who is voting against this is someone who refuses to see through their own hatred of a particular conservative ideology. Especially when considering the fact that Christian Democrats has authored so many WA Resolutions, and most of the people who have voted against have authored none. He has contributed to this game in such an extensive manner, it would be horrific to NOT commend him.

Or perhaps they disagree that the stated items merit commendation. Or perhaps they didn't read the resolution. In addition, authoring resolutions does not make you a good player. We have plenty of terrible resolutions in the books, some of them still unrepealed. Author count is irrelevant; what you must consider is the quality of the resolutions written.

By Right to Life, perhaps it meant the actual, you know, Right to Life philosophy.
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:29 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:By Right to Life, perhaps it meant the actual, you know, Right to Life philosophy.

The proposal links directly to the region Right to Life.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:29 am

Wrapper wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:By Right to Life, perhaps it meant the actual, you know, Right to Life philosophy.

The proposal links directly to the region Right to Life.

Touche.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:50 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:most of the people who have voted against have authored none

Most of the people voting for have also authored none. In fact, I would say that the people voting for have had less achievement than those voting against – they aren't even large delegates – if that is the metric of propriety.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:52 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:most of the people who have voted against have authored none

Most of the people voting for have also authored none. In fact, I would say that the people voting for have had less achievement than those voting against – they aren't even large delegates – if that is the metric of propriety.

Yet another Touche. Are you for or against this?
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Postby United Areas of Conservatives » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:03 pm

This is the first time I think I have ever voted to commend a right-winged nation. Probably also the last.

We voted for.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:18 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:Are you for or against this?

I am against, in a solely personal capacity. I will not, however, vote on the resolution, as this is not a resolution having any real effect on or relevance for Europe, and therefore, a vote on it would break neutrality under current interpretations of the neutrality provisions in statute.
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Postby Folik » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:44 pm

We voted against and are disappointed that this is being considered.

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:58 pm

I'm afraid I have only just noticed this, but isn't this clause:
Applauding Christian Democrats' service as Speaker of the Assembly in the now defunct Founderless Regions Alliance, which served as a premier force to protect the most vulnerable among us, communities whose founder has fallen victim to Violet's wrath,

illegal according to precedent?
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We've never pretended that referring to mod actions/rules violations is simple in proposals. For a start, allowing it is purely at mod discretion, and the phrasing is tricky too. It's why there's the advice to get a ruling on it first.
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Postby Nearly Finland » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:18 pm

I'm voting for this commendation, but if anyone's got a good reason I should change my vote, please reply.

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Postby Lexicor » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:19 pm

Fallen to Violet's [God's] wrath? Seems like a legal usage to me.
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Postby States of Glory » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:34 pm

Wallenburg wrote:I'm afraid I have only just noticed this, but isn't this clause:
Applauding Christian Democrats' service as Speaker of the Assembly in the now defunct Founderless Regions Alliance, which served as a premier force to protect the most vulnerable among us, communities whose founder has fallen victim to Violet's wrath,

illegal according to precedent?
Sedgistan wrote:Mentions of Violet should be clearly as the deity (which "Lady Violet" is not), and only in vague terms (e.g. the "Violet-given right" from Commend SP). You should not attribute specific mod/admin actions to Violet, as then it's quite clearly referring to the site admin, thus it's not properly IC and is referring to NS as a game/site.

Mods/admins should otherwise be referred to the as Secretariat or not at all. You can mention mod actions without having to ascribe them to anyone "punished for their violations of international norms/standards/regulations/whatever".

We've never pretended that referring to mod actions/rules violations is simple in proposals. For a start, allowing it is purely at mod discretion, and the phrasing is tricky too. It's why there's the advice to get a ruling on it first.

That precedent is used so rarely that I forgot all about it. Still, even if it does make the resolution-at-vote illegal, it's rather moot anyway as the superdelegates have their stomping boots on.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:02 pm

States of Glory wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I'm afraid I have only just noticed this, but isn't this clause:

illegal according to precedent?

That precedent is used so rarely that I forgot all about it. Still, even if it does make the resolution-at-vote illegal, it's rather moot anyway as the superdelegates have their stomping boots on.

Would seem to me that the clause in question does not attribute specific mod/admin actions to Violet, just generalised wrath.

However as SoG has pointed out even if it is illegal it's moot. It's getting stomped on.
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Postby Gnejs » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:04 pm

The Prosaic Union has voted FOR this resolution.

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Postby Phydios » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:10 pm

Folik wrote:We voted against and are disappointed that this is being considered.

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Postby Drasnia » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:10 pm

Umm, why was I mentioned in this without recognizing the contributions of other OPs of the spoiler thread like Ballotonia or Golgothastan?
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:16 pm

Lexicor wrote:Fallen to Violet's [God's] wrath? Seems like a legal usage to me.

You would think so, wouldn't you?
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Postby Unibot III » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:35 pm

States of Glory wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I'm afraid I have only just noticed this, but isn't this clause:

illegal according to precedent?

That precedent is used so rarely that I forgot all about it. Still, even if it does make the resolution-at-vote illegal, it's rather moot anyway as the superdelegates have their stomping boots on.


The precedent quoted probably is enough to protect the clause's legality. "God's wrath" / "Violet's wrath" - I'll admit though, I had totally forgotten about that chestnut.
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Postby Toin » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:39 pm

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After a bill proposed by a Commoner from New Bexley, legislation officially SUPPORTING came into effect early this afternoon, with 28 Commoners supporting this bill and 2 Commoners denouncing this bill. Personally, I fully support United Massachusetts efforts in commending Christian Democrats. The President officially supports this bill as well.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:36 pm

Drasnia wrote:Umm, why was I mentioned in this without recognizing the contributions of other OPs of the spoiler thread like Ballotonia or Golgothastan?

So people trying to find the thread didn't look for CD's name. I'm sorry.
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Wallenburg wrote:For the most part, this resolution is written well enough, and the arguments are compelling. However, one clause confuses me. You say that CD leads Right to Life. How can they do that if they aren't even in Right to Life?

Through their subsidiary, Culture of Life.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:37 pm

I find it odd how most of the people bothering to post here are for this resolution

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