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Cresenthia wrote:I really don't care about that 96.5% number or whatever it actually is. Even if they just dropped in on a Warzone I wouldn't care too much. But TGW is making a pattern out of complaining about regions in the forums for BS reasons (or none at all), and then using that as a pretext to trash them. That is wrong. That, and they keep using Kurnugia to trash talk Kaiserreich, even though he never claimed anything about Nazism until they poached him from his rebellion (which had nothing to do with ideology).

Witchcraft and Sorcery wrote:You know, you've got a very good point. They say laughing is good for your health.

Shocked that when these actions were pointed out, The Grey Wardens denied such claims, calling them “fake news.”

Drasnia wrote:

Shocked that when these actions were pointed out, The Grey Wardens denied such claims, calling them “fake news.”

This is just one example of alternative facts! SAD!

Cresenthia wrote:

Drasnia wrote:

Shocked that when these actions were pointed out, The Grey Wardens denied such claims, calling them “fake news.”

This is just one example of alternative facts! SAD!

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Cresenthia wrote:

Drasnia wrote:

Shocked that when these actions were pointed out, The Grey Wardens denied such claims, calling them “fake news.”

This is just one example of alternative facts! SAD!

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Shocked that when these actions were pointed out, The Grey Wardens denied such claims, calling them “fake news.”

Cresenthia wrote:You assumed that they are indeed defenders, a premise which clearly is not accepted by all parties.

Roavin wrote:

Cresenthia wrote:viewtopic.php?p=31602906#p31602906

Welcome to class. Today's lesson is a case study in how to do reading comprehension wrong. Let's look at this:

Shocked that when these actions were pointed out, The Grey Wardens denied such claims, calling them “fake news.”

"these actions" referring to:
(1) Femdom Empire raid - yep, we did that.
(2) Griefing Super Reich I - yep, we (as part of a larger group) did that.
(3) Pissing off KAISERREICH - yep, we're doing that (and this is proof!)
(4) Invading Warzone Europe - yep, we did that.

So what were we calling "fake news"? Well, see https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=31589017#p31589017 here, where our wonderful Chamberlain acknowledges that we did all of these things that you're complaining about (and more), and despite doing all of that, defensive operations are 97.56% of what we do.

Sometimes, it's easier to understand visually:



So, given that,...

Cresenthia wrote:You assumed that they are indeed defenders, a premise which clearly is not accepted by all parties.

1. Femdom loses their founder, and calls in Kaiserreich to help.
2. Kaiserreich starts defending Femdom so a password can be established to help the natives, but CAIN starts attacking.
3. NE joins in at this opportunity to fight CAIN.
4. Presuming that Femdom was Nazi because NE got involved (when they just came in to score cheap points against CAIN), TGW and CAIN attack SRI.

Cresenthia wrote:I don't think anyone said that you aren't defending at all. But your claim that Super Reich I was a Nazi region is a load of baloney. At the time it was being held by Femdom forces primarily. Let me guess: Femdom is a Nazi region because NE stepped in after CAIN got involved. And CAIN got involved because Kaiserreich was defending Femdom? So, let me get this straight:

1. Femdom loses their founder, and calls in Kaiserreich to help.
2. Kaiserreich starts defending Femdom so a password can be established to help the natives, but CAIN starts attacking.
3. NE joins in at this opportunity to fight CAIN.
4. Presuming that Femdom was Nazi because NE got involved (when they just came in to score cheap points against CAIN), TGW and CAIN attack SRI.

Really, your problem is with Nazi Europa and actual fascist regions. But still, you might claim that you only had 12 non-defender actions, but they are still contrary to your supposed mission to fight Darkspawn. Is it really your argument that there are so few invader actions that they are irrelevant? The saying about a cup of piss in a barrel of wine comes to mind.

1. Femdom loses their founder.
2. TGW attack because Femdom is a raider region.
3. Kaiserreich and NE get involved to pile on Femdom.
4. CAIN get involved to work against NE and Kaiserreich.
5. When SRI is piled on by raider regions, it is therefore working with/valued by them, therefore both fascist and raider aligned - a legitimate target.

Nakari wrote:

Cresenthia wrote:I don't think anyone said that you aren't defending at all. But your claim that Super Reich I was a Nazi region is a load of baloney. At the time it was being held by Femdom forces primarily. Let me guess: Femdom is a Nazi region because NE stepped in after CAIN got involved. And CAIN got involved because Kaiserreich was defending Femdom? So, let me get this straight:

1. Femdom loses their founder, and calls in Kaiserreich to help.
2. Kaiserreich starts defending Femdom so a password can be established to help the natives, but CAIN starts attacking.
3. NE joins in at this opportunity to fight CAIN.
4. Presuming that Femdom was Nazi because NE got involved (when they just came in to score cheap points against CAIN), TGW and CAIN attack SRI.

Really, your problem is with Nazi Europa and actual fascist regions. But still, you might claim that you only had 12 non-defender actions, but they are still contrary to your supposed mission to fight Darkspawn. Is it really your argument that there are so few invader actions that they are irrelevant? The saying about a cup of piss in a barrel of wine comes to mind.

Not straight enough.

1. Femdom loses their founder.
2. TGW attack because Femdom is a raider region.
3. Kaiserreich and NE get involved to pile on Femdom.
4. CAIN get involved to work against NE and Kaiserreich.
5. When SRI is piled on by raider regions, it is therefore working with/valued by them, therefore both fascist and raider aligned - a legitimate target.

Our mission is to fight darkspawn. Our non-defender actions were mainly to invade raider regions. Fighting darkspawn = invading raider regions.

Cresenthia wrote:

Nakari wrote:
Not straight enough.

1. Femdom loses their founder.
2. TGW attack because Femdom is a raider region.
3. Kaiserreich and NE get involved to pile on Femdom.
4. CAIN get involved to work against NE and Kaiserreich.
5. When SRI is piled on by raider regions, it is therefore working with/valued by them, therefore both fascist and raider aligned - a legitimate target.

Our mission is to fight darkspawn. Our non-defender actions were mainly to invade raider regions. Fighting darkspawn = invading raider regions.

Raider, perhaps. But NE never played a role in SRI, so any claim that it was fascist is nothing short of bullshit. And it was entirely framed at the time as anti-fascist, not anti-invader. Actually get your story straight before telling me it is.

Cresenthia wrote:

1. Femdom loses their founder, and calls in Kaiserreich to help.
2. Kaiserreich starts defending Femdom so a password can be established to help the natives, but CAIN starts attacking.
3. NE joins in at this opportunity to fight CAIN.
4. Presuming that Femdom was Nazi because NE got involved (when they just came in to score cheap points against CAIN), TGW and CAIN attack SRI.

The Gipper wrote:

Cresenthia wrote:

1. Femdom loses their founder, and calls in Kaiserreich to help.
2. Kaiserreich starts defending Femdom so a password can be established to help the natives, but CAIN starts attacking.
3. NE joins in at this opportunity to fight CAIN.
4. Presuming that Femdom was Nazi because NE got involved (when they just came in to score cheap points against CAIN), TGW and CAIN attack SRI.

Did the natives attempt to prevent NE from supporting them when they tried? If not, I don't see how anyone can complain.

The lesson that Nazi/Fascist regions are going to bring more enemies into a situation than they can bring troops. Which is the point in doing so, I'd assume, so people are discouraged from turning to radical groups for help.

Kurnugia wrote:

The Gipper wrote:Did the natives attempt to prevent NE from supporting them when they tried? If not, I don't see how anyone can complain.

The lesson that Nazi/Fascist regions are going to bring more enemies into a situation than they can bring troops. Which is the point in doing so, I'd assume, so people are discouraged from turning to radical groups for help.

I was a footsoldier in the Femdom defence. As far as I am aware no.

Tim-Opolis wrote:I for one encourage all of our friends with high delegate endorsements to vote FOR this proposal.

Tim-Opolis wrote:I for one encourage all of our friends with high delegate endorsements to vote FOR this proposal.

Lenlyvit wrote:I'm just gonna drop this here..... https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=730159
Proof of KREICH Protektorates fallen to Jadny's hand.........................

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:

Tim-Opolis wrote:I for one encourage all of our friends with high delegate endorsements to vote FOR this proposal.

Really? Why should we give a fascist a badge?

Edit: sorry fascist apologist.