[DEFEATED] Condemn The Order of the Grey Wardens

[Roavin]

The only things TGW are defending against are the negative consequences of their own actions.

I mean. Really?

(risking being dinged for image spam/flaming/baiting/whatever) You might want to change your avatar to this:

[Tim-Opolis]

The only things TGW are defending against are the negative consequences of their own actions.

[Drasnia]

That's one good stomp.

You know what else is good? The advertising for TGW.

[Singpu]

That's one good stomp.

You know what else is good? The advertising for TGW.

Can confirm with my former Capitalist Paradise dictator, had my region liberated by them. Excellent advertising.

[Cormactopia Prime]

That this has gotten to vote at all really doesn't speak well of the process for World Assembly resolutions achieving quorum.

Against, in case that wasn't already clear.

[Wallenburg]

That this has gotten to vote at all really doesn't speak well of the process for World Assembly resolutions achieving quorum.

Against, in case that wasn't already clear.

You won't always get good resolutions. As it is, this is a contender for most unanimously defeated resolution.

[RiderSyl]

They've done nothing Condemn-worthy. The author of this one only wrote it out of spite, too.

Against.

[Tim-Opolis]

They've done nothing Condemn-worthy. The author of this one only wrote it out of spite, too.

Against.

"Concerned that the unsporstmanlike tactics of The Grey Wardens are unbecoming of a member region of the Security Council

Identifying the fact that The Grey Wardens are counteractive to the foreign policy objectives of an Independent Security Council"

I gotchu fam.

[Drasnia]

They've done nothing Condemn-worthy. The author of this one only wrote it out of spite, too.

Against.

"Concerned that the unsporstmanlike tactics of The Grey Wardens are unbecoming of a member region of the Security Council

Identifying the fact that The Grey Wardens are counteractive to the foreign policy objectives of an Independent Security Council"

I gotchu fam.

But that's just fake news! It says so in the proposal!

[Thermodolia]

They've done nothing Condemn-worthy. The author of this one only wrote it out of spite, too.

Against.

It's pretty evident especially when you look at this:
"The numerous unprovoked actions against Kaiserreich, in particular, the puppeteering of Kurnugia."

The author is a high ranking member of Kaiserreich. Nope no spite there

[RiderSyl]

They've done nothing Condemn-worthy. The author of this one only wrote it out of spite, too.

Against.

It's pretty evident especially when you look at this:
"The numerous unprovoked actions against Kaiserreich, in particular, the puppeteering of Kurnugia."

The author is a high ranking member of Kaiserreich. Nope no spite there

Oh wow. That's so blatant.
"They did stuff against the region that I'm a member of! Condemn them!"

Can we fail this early and move on to something else?

[Kurnugia]

It's pretty evident especially when you look at this:
"The numerous unprovoked actions against Kaiserreich, in particular, the puppeteering of Kurnugia."

The author is a high ranking member of Kaiserreich. Nope no spite there

Oh wow. That's so blatant.
"They did stuff against the region that I'm a member of! Condemn them!"

Can we fail this early and move on to something else?

I mean... there is even a more blantant quote:

I really don't care about that 96.5% number or whatever it actually is. Even if they just dropped in on a Warzone I wouldn't care too much. But TGW is making a pattern out of complaining about regions in the forums for BS reasons (or none at all), and then using that as a pretext to trash them. That is wrong. That, and they keep using Kurnugia to trash talk Kaiserreich, even though he never claimed anything about Nazism until they poached him from his rebellion (which had nothing to do with ideology).

[Nativista]

"At least we've got a lack of support for once." Moe Harrison, Nativista's Director of Miscellany, points out.

[GCMR of Cokeland]

I'm not at all surprised that it's gonna get voted down.

[BerCasca]

I understand the reason for this, but before voting I would like to know what the reason is that many members are against the proposal?

[Willania Imperium]

I understand the reason for this, but before voting I would like to know what the reason is that many members are against the proposal?

Well, before you ask, you should look through the debate from the beginning. You don't just jump in and immediately assume things. You have to learn what happened before entering a debate to be fully prepared and prepped.

[Xovland]

You are going after the wrong target. The Red Fleet has a far more egregious history of invading innocent regions under guise of moral justice. Just because we used to have an embassy with Kaiserreich, they invaded our region without any warning.

I still don't understand what the big fuss about Kaiserreich is about. They are based on the German Empire, not the Nazis. Even if they were based on Nazis, that isn't an endorsement of their policies. I have roleplayed in the past using ideologies I disagreed with, that doesn't mean I was endorsing those ideologies.

[Cerian Quilor]

Raiding is 'non traditional defending'?

Wow. Even I got Whiplash off that.

No, no. You misunderstand me. I said that their "supposed" raids were really defending the region through non-traditional ways. I didn't say raiding as a whole is "non-traditional defending."

a raid is a raid is a raid. The reasons matter, but it is still a raid.

TGW isn't hypocritical, per se, because they raid raiders and raider allies, broadly. But a raid is not an 'alternative fact defense.'

[Benevolent Thomas]

I understand the reason for this, but before voting I would like to know what the reason is that many members are against the proposal?

Because they fear retaliation by the Grey Wardens if they vote for it /joke

The Grey Wardens invade invader regions and a fascist invader is upset that the Wardens have repeatedly disrupted their operations and attacked their regions.

[Thermodolia]

I understand the reason for this, but before voting I would like to know what the reason is that many members are against the proposal?

Because it's a shity proposal that someone wrote out of spite

[Thermodolia]

You are going after the wrong target. The Red Fleet has a far more egregious history of invading innocent regions under guise of moral justice. Just because we used to have an embassy with Kaiserreich, they invaded our region without any warning.

I still don't understand what the big fuss about Kaiserreich is about. They are based on the German Empire, not the Nazis. Even if they were based on Nazis, that isn't an endorsement of their policies. I have roleplayed in the past using ideologies I disagreed with, that doesn't mean I was endorsing those ideologies.

Kaiserreich is in the proposal because the author is from Kaiserreich and is upset at the Grey Wardens

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

It's pretty evident especially when you look at this:
"The numerous unprovoked actions against Kaiserreich, in particular, the puppeteering of Kurnugia."

The author is a high ranking member of Kaiserreich. Nope no spite there

Oh wow. That's so blatant.
"They did stuff against the region that I'm a member of! Condemn them!"

Can we fail this early and move on to something else?

Fail early? In less than 12 hours its goose (step) is cooked. Must admit it's been a while since I've seen a proposal get an arse kicking like this one. And thoroughly deserved as well.

[Small Huts]

Equilism will be voting against this Resolution. Their action against WZE was certainly nothing worthy of condemnation. They have received a stern dressing down by King Westwind and since changed military commander.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Equilism will be voting against this Resolution. Their action against WZE was certainly nothing worthy of condemnation. They have received a stern dressing down by King Westwind and since changed military commander.

What? Is this rooted in reality?

[Roavin]

Equilism will be voting against this Resolution. Their action against WZE was certainly nothing worthy of condemnation. They have received a stern dressing down by King Westwind and since changed military commander.

What? Is this rooted in reality?

About as much as most of this resolution is.