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Draconae
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Postby Draconae » Fri May 05, 2017 5:01 pm

"Also, this resolution creates a new committee when a new committee is probably not appropriate. There are many health-related committees, but the one I think would be most appropriate, at least as a replacement for the World Assembly Medicinal Oversight Committee, is the World Health Authority from GA #31, which already has the mission to 'disseminate crucial information and research concerning health internationally in a quick and orderly fashion,' among other tasks."
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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Sat May 06, 2017 7:11 am

This is stupid. A dictator or monarch would hate this, because...
1. Doing international stuff will always leak information
2. The leaked information would likely relate to how the dictator or monarch are about to die
3. The Rebels can use this information as a attempt to overthrow the government

Why would anybody like this? It is a invasion of privacy.
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Cominga
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Stay out of healthcare

Postby Cominga » Sat May 06, 2017 10:28 am

We should not allow the GA to determine the healthcare minimums or research opportunities for each country. This is for each individual country to decide. If this proposal passes there will be economical problems for smaller and more underdeveloped countries that can't afford this.


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Covenstone
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Postby Covenstone » Sat May 06, 2017 11:40 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:This is stupid. A dictator or monarch would hate this, because...
1. Doing international stuff will always leak information
2. The leaked information would likely relate to how the dictator or monarch are about to die
3. The Rebels can use this information as a attempt to overthrow the government

Why would anybody like this? It is a invasion of privacy.


How?
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Xerox Prime
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Postby Xerox Prime » Sat May 06, 2017 11:56 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:This is stupid. A dictator or monarch would hate this, because...
1. Doing international stuff will always leak information
2. The leaked information would likely relate to how the dictator or monarch are about to die
3. The Rebels can use this information as a attempt to overthrow the government

Why would anybody like this? It is a invasion of privacy.

This does not make sense. The resolution specifically states that patient histories and conditions will not be collected.

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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Sat May 06, 2017 12:42 pm

Xerox Prime wrote:This does not make sense.

Neither does the proposal due to the misdefinition of terms.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat May 06, 2017 12:54 pm

Xerox Prime wrote:This does not make sense. The resolution specifically states that patient histories and conditions will not be collected.

Where does it say that? I see no such guarantee.
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Covenstone
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Postby Covenstone » Sat May 06, 2017 1:58 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Xerox Prime wrote:This does not make sense. The resolution specifically states that patient histories and conditions will not be collected.

Where does it say that? I see no such guarantee.


Clarifies that "Medicinal Knowledge" does not refer to patient records, histories, and information, information pertaining to specific employees and patients of hospitals and treatment facilities throughout the WA, information pertaining to specific medical cases and records, technological research, and the research of biological weapons.


To me, this implies that the collection of information does not include anything listed in this paragraph.
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat May 06, 2017 2:48 pm

Covenstone wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Where does it say that? I see no such guarantee.

Clarifies that "Medicinal Knowledge" does not refer to patient records, histories, and information, information pertaining to specific employees and patients of hospitals and treatment facilities throughout the WA, information pertaining to specific medical cases and records, technological research, and the research of biological weapons.

To me, this implies that the collection of information does not include anything listed in this paragraph.

So what? That definition is never used in the resolution. The mandates deal with "medical knowledge" instead.
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Imperium Anglorum
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat May 06, 2017 6:36 pm

NORTH: We oppose. Basically everything it does is already done by different resolutions: Universal Library Coalition, International Drug Education, and World Health Authority basically make this resolution both pointless and a vast waste of money. If all it's going to do is duplicate things the World Assembly already does like a Xerox machine, it's just a waste of the WA not-unlimited funds.

OOC: It seems to me that this resolution is honestly nothing more than a badge hunt. It was revived when the author found out that library proposals pass easily and thus, the badge was had.
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New Husland
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Not far Enough

Postby New Husland » Sun May 07, 2017 8:53 am

To truly free the proletariat from the iron grip of the international insurance cartel, universal healthcare must be established worldwide, and patient records must be equally accessible.

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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Tretrid » Sun May 07, 2017 9:52 am

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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Sun May 07, 2017 10:11 am

New Husland wrote:To truly free the proletariat from the iron grip of the international insurance cartel, universal healthcare must be established worldwide, and patient records must be equally accessible.

[sarcasm] Yes, I lIke to know when one of you're leaders have Alzheimer's. That is when we will invade you.
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Fron Majahurap
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Privacy

Postby Fron Majahurap » Sun May 07, 2017 11:49 am

As my regional WA representative in the The South Pacific has voted for this new piece of legislation. I find it odd that all of the medical information will be displayed and used. This violates the protection and privacy of several people. This must be rewritten, and if passed, repealed immediately before the people's right to privacy is suddenly taken from them.

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The United Federation of Thetos
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Postby The United Federation of Thetos » Sun May 07, 2017 2:05 pm

Still... no protections or restrictions regarding malpractice.
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Covenstone
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Postby Covenstone » Mon May 08, 2017 10:20 am

The United Federation of Thetos wrote:Still... no protections or restrictions regarding malpractice.


Why would there need to be protections or restrictions about malpractice? This is just about collecting generic information. It doesn't relate to treatment, or even specific patients at all.

Fron Majahurap wrote:As my regional WA representative in the The South Pacific has voted for this new piece of legislation. I find it odd that all of the medical information will be displayed and used. This violates the protection and privacy of several people. This must be rewritten, and if passed, repealed immediately before the people's right to privacy is suddenly taken from them.


I am fairly sure it doesn't mention people at all. In fact, I am fairly sure it directly excludes just that. So unless you can provide evidence of your claim, you should probably rethink your objections.
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Baania Youblen
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Testicles

Postby Baania Youblen » Mon May 08, 2017 12:44 pm

All citizens of our world should be allowed to be operated by qualified surgeons in order to wear testicles on their foreheads if they want to. The Central Medicinal Database Compact will help us achieve this possibilty, make it a goal, and thus, give everyone a higher freedom by instauring laws that permit surgery of the forehead and installation of testicles on it. Long live everything you believe in.
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The United Federation of Thetos
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Postby The United Federation of Thetos » Mon May 08, 2017 5:15 pm

Covenstone wrote:
The United Federation of Thetos wrote:Still... no protections or restrictions regarding malpractice.


Why would there need to be protections or restrictions about malpractice? This is just about collecting generic information. It doesn't relate to treatment, or even specific patients at all.


Lets say that one person uses the information to treat a patient. If there is a complication, the author may then be sued. There needs to be some type of protection.
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Politics:
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  2. Political Parties cause too much trouble
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  4. Standardized Testing proves nothing... except for the ACT and SAT
  5. Couldn't care less what party you are from as long as you can debate your beliefs.
  6. ISIS could have done better
  7. Pro-Renewable Energy
  8. Pro-Limited Use of Firearms
  9. People should be equal... (not an extremist, don't worry.)
  10. America sometimes needs to chill out
  11. Not gay myself but people can do what they want to do (as long it complies with the law.)
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  13. The UN doesn't do crap
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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue May 09, 2017 7:57 am

I think that sharing medical information is stupid. Companies would hate this. Consider this, why would a company give information to a multinational organization that could be hacked or stolen from. This could let other companies make 'mysteriously similar medicines'. This bill violates business privacy. Governments should be handling this, not international law.
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Covenstone
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Postby Covenstone » Tue May 09, 2017 8:15 am

The United Federation of Thetos wrote:
Covenstone wrote:
Why would there need to be protections or restrictions about malpractice? This is just about collecting generic information. It doesn't relate to treatment, or even specific patients at all.


Lets say that one person uses the information to treat a patient. If there is a complication, the author may then be sued. There needs to be some type of protection.


With all due respect, I think you are over thinking this. Doctors right across Covenstone routinely share information via letters, email, on line forums and journals. Not once has the author of an article ever been sued because another doctor did something wrong. If a doctor makes a mistake, it is *their* mistake.

And why should there be some kind of protection? If the author has genuinely made a mistake then why should the author not be held responsible? And if the author hasn't made a mistake, then the legal process will reveal that.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue May 09, 2017 8:52 am

Covenstone wrote:
The United Federation of Thetos wrote:
Lets say that one person uses the information to treat a patient. If there is a complication, the author may then be sued. There needs to be some type of protection.


With all due respect, I think you are over thinking this. Doctors right across Covenstone routinely share information via letters, email, on line forums and journals. Not once has the author of an article ever been sued because another doctor did something wrong. If a doctor makes a mistake, it is *their* mistake.

And why should there be some kind of protection? If the author has genuinely made a mistake then why should the author not be held responsible? And if the author hasn't made a mistake, then the legal process will reveal that.

Doesnt this force businesses to give up their research and knowledge? If I was a competing corporation wouldn't I look for the chemicals that have almost the same effect as the other business? This law does not protect against plagerism, and if it did it wouldn't be effective.

Don't even start with 'well another law covers that' because the company could just adjust the chemicals making a 'brand new' chemical.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue May 09, 2017 9:07 am

World Assembly Central Medicinal Database Compact was passed 14,370 votes to 3,837.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue May 09, 2017 9:08 am

So sad
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Postby Covenstone » Tue May 09, 2017 9:15 am

I was going to go with congratulations, but that's just me.

(I was also going to open a betting pool on how many days until it is repealed, but that seemed a little cynical and depressing. So instead milk-shakes for everyone who isn't sad!)
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