[PASSED] Liberate South Pacific

[Frisbeeteria]

THE SECURITY COUNCIL,

KNOWING that two large raider organizations are in the process of destroying South Pacific, one of the earliest regions in the world,

NOTING that South Pacific is a region of great historical importance, having been founded fourteen years ago,

RECOGNIZING that an invader sleeper nation was implanted in the region over four years ago, for the sole purpose of seizing control of South Pacific,

CONCERNED that the raiders are intending to refound the region within a short time,

KNOWING that those raider regions could password and destroy the region at will,

APPALLED by the methodology which the raiders are using to taunt and terrorize the native population, notably the implementation of mock trials to target and eject unsuspecting natives,

FEARING that the inhabitants of the region will soon all be forcibly banned from their home, without any hope of regaining it ever again,

COGNIZANT that the Security Council must act with haste to save a region in great peril,

HEREBY LIBERATES South Pacific.

Co-authored by Yodle, Lenlyvit, and Somyrion.

Suggested with the approval of two past, long-time delegates, Densaner and The lepearchauns. Comments and criticism appreciated.
EDIT: Edited to include co-authors.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Couple of points.

There are three raider groups there, but I would agree the Invaders are small beer and probably not worth counting.

The region is a game created region. Therefore I'm not sure if a) it can be passworded or b) it can be refounded as it never had a Founder in the first place.

[Cormactopia Prime]

The region is a game created region. Therefore I'm not sure if a) it can be passworded or b) it can be refounded as it never had a Founder in the first place.

It isn't game-created. It's user-created, but is a historically founderless region (which means it was created before founders existed and never had a founder, as you noted). It can be passworded and refounded.

That said, I don't think we should give The Invaders, et al. unnecessary publicity. Let's wait and see if they're going to take the time to build the influence necessary to impose a password and purge the natives. If they do impose a password, there will still be time to pass a liberation resolution before they can achieve their goals. I'm not necessarily opposed to preemptive liberation resolutions, but they shouldn't be passed unless there is a real risk raiders will be able to quickly password and refound a region before a liberation resolution can be passed -- which is not the case here.

But I will also add that if the natives want it, it should be up to them. I'm just putting forward a case for delaying it.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

The region is a game created region. Therefore I'm not sure if a) it can be passworded or b) it can be refounded as it never had a Founder in the first place.

It isn't game-created. It's user-created, but was a historically founderless region (which means it was created before founders existed and never had a founder, as you noted). It can be passworded and refounded.

I stand corrected, thanks Cormac.

[Densaner]

As a former delegate and long term resident of South Pacific, I strongly support this measure being passed.

[Cerian Quilor]

The region is a game created region. Therefore I'm not sure if a) it can be passworded or b) it can be refounded as it never had a Founder in the first place.

It isn't game-created. It's user-created, but is a historically founderless region (which means it was created before founders existed and never had a founder, as you noted). It can be passworded and refounded.

That said, I don't think we should give The Invaders, et al. unnecessary publicity. Let's wait and see if they're going to take the time to build the influence necessary to impose a password and purge the natives. If they do impose a password, there will still be time to pass a liberation resolution before they can achieve their goals. I'm not necessarily opposed to preemptive liberation resolutions, but they shouldn't be passed unless there is a real risk raiders will be able to quickly password and refound a region before a liberation resolution can be passed -- which is not the case here.

But I will also add that if the natives want it, it should be up to them. I'm just putting forward a case for delaying it.

Bold added by me. 100% agreement.

[Yodle]

The region is a game created region. Therefore I'm not sure if a) it can be passworded or b) it can be refounded as it never had a Founder in the first place.

It isn't game-created. It's user-created, but is a historically founderless region (which means it was created before founders existed and never had a founder, as you noted). It can be passworded and refounded.

That said, I don't think we should give The Invaders, et al. unnecessary publicity. Let's wait and see if they're going to take the time to build the influence necessary to impose a password and purge the natives. If they do impose a password, there will still be time to pass a liberation resolution before they can achieve their goals. I'm not necessarily opposed to preemptive liberation resolutions, but they shouldn't be passed unless there is a real risk raiders will be able to quickly password and refound a region before a liberation resolution can be passed -- which is not the case here.

But I will also add that if the natives want it, it should be up to them. I'm just putting forward a case for delaying it.

I would argue that their intentions are for a refound, simply because why waste four years of waiting and accruing influence to simply leave without going out with something big, such as a new shiny trophy region That's my take on it, but I could be wrong you never know. However, even if he doesn't have enough influence to set a password right now, he has enough endorsements to quickly gain it in a relatively short period of time.

[Unibot III]

That said, I don't think we should give The Invaders, et al. unnecessary publicity.

Technically this resolution doesn't name the Invaders by name, so it's not much in the ways of publicity...

[Cerian Quilor]

It isn't game-created. It's user-created, but is a historically founderless region (which means it was created before founders existed and never had a founder, as you noted). It can be passworded and refounded.

That said, I don't think we should give The Invaders, et al. unnecessary publicity. Let's wait and see if they're going to take the time to build the influence necessary to impose a password and purge the natives. If they do impose a password, there will still be time to pass a liberation resolution before they can achieve their goals. I'm not necessarily opposed to preemptive liberation resolutions, but they shouldn't be passed unless there is a real risk raiders will be able to quickly password and refound a region before a liberation resolution can be passed -- which is not the case here.

But I will also add that if the natives want it, it should be up to them. I'm just putting forward a case for delaying it.

I would argue that their intentions are for a refound, simply because why waste four years of waiting and accruing influence to simply leave without going out with something big, such as a new shiny trophy region That's my take on it, but I could be wrong you never know. However, even if he doesn't have enough influence to set a password right now, he has enough endorsements to quickly gain it in a relatively short period of time.

TI wasn't even *around* four years ago, right? Likely, the puppet has been there because no one got around to it.

[Tim-Opolis]

It's well-written, and native-authored. I would support this passing at whatever time the native population finds it to be most appropriate.

[Cerian Quilor]

It's well-written, and native-authored. I would support this passing at whatever time the native population finds it to be most appropriate.

*crosses fingers* Let's hope never.

Although, more seriously, if a PW is actually set up, in this case, I'd broadly support a liberation. Though I also demand it stay up for at least 2 years. (not that my demands count for anything other than my vote) They have to pay a price, after all.

[Faradayn]

The region is a game created region. Therefore I'm not sure if a) it can be passworded or b) it can be refounded as it never had a Founder in the first place.

It isn't game-created. It's user-created, but is a historically founderless region (which means it was created before founders existed and never had a founder, as you noted). It can be passworded and refounded.

That said, I don't think we should give The Invaders, et al. unnecessary publicity. Let's wait and see if they're going to take the time to build the influence necessary to impose a password and purge the natives. If they do impose a password, there will still be time to pass a liberation resolution before they can achieve their goals. I'm not necessarily opposed to preemptive liberation resolutions, but they shouldn't be passed unless there is a real risk raiders will be able to quickly password and refound a region before a liberation resolution can be passed -- which is not the case here.

But I will also add that if the natives want it, it should be up to them. I'm just putting forward a case for delaying it.

As others have pointed out, why have a sleeper in the region for four years and gain that influence just to leave the region be? In my oppinion it was so they could password the region and then pile it for as long as necessary until they could eject the last natives. Then they could refound it and keep it until the end of time. Last time I checked, the raider delegate is within 1,000 influence of a password at the current numbers. With their BC ROs they could easily make that number smaller by ejecting the smallest influential natives from the region.

The raider delegate has over 50 endorsements now. Not to mention that this region was a user created region founded 14 years ago, before founders existed. Regions like these are a dwindling breed, with only a hand full left in the game. Why not use every tool we have to stop TI from keeping the region as a trophy? Arguably, it would just give them more publicity the longer the occupation goes on.
I'm just adding my oppinion as well.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Four year old sleeper? Surely it wasn't in the WA for that time?

[Lingang]

Four year old sleeper? Surely it wasn't in the WA for that time?

It was for a time, I recall. If for the entire four year duration, I'm not sure.

[Cormactopia Prime]

That said, I don't think we should give The Invaders, et al. unnecessary publicity.

Technically this resolution doesn't name the Invaders by name, so it's not much in the ways of publicity...

This is a valid point, as are the arguments that The Invaders usually do grief regions they've occupied long-term, and that they are unlikely to use a four year sleeper on anything less than doing as much damage as possible.

Again, regardless of my views, if natives want the liberation resolution, then full support.

[Tinhampton]

The World Census says that the four-year sleeper has actually only been in South Pacific for about two years.

[Dorig]

As a former delegate and long term resident of South Pacific, I strongly support this measure being passed.

I am also a former delegate and long term resident of South Pacific (almost a decade I think), and I echo Densaner in supporting this measure being passed.

Dorig

[Kyal]

The World Census says that the four-year sleeper has actually only been in South Pacific for about two years.

Kicked out of the South Pacific by Pina Coladas for subversive defender activity nearly two years ago.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

The World Census says that the four-year sleeper has actually only been in South Pacific for about two years.

Kicked out of the South Pacific by Pina Coladas for subversive defender activity nearly two years ago.

Hey that's me.

[Intelligeneria]

If the natives want and need it, we should do it. The Empire of Intelligeneria is in full support of this motion, unless my region votes otherwise.

[Kitzerland]

If the natives want and need it, we should do it. The Empire of Intelligeneria is in full support of this motion, unless my region votes otherwise.

That's fairly complicated. Some of the natives support it, some don't. But all the good natives don't, so you should stick to voting against.

[Yodle]

If the natives want and need it, we should do it. The Empire of Intelligeneria is in full support of this motion, unless my region votes otherwise.

That's fairly complicated. Some of the natives support it, some don't. But all the good natives don't, so you should stick to voting against.

How do you define a 'good' native?

[Lingang]

If the natives want and need it, we should do it. The Empire of Intelligeneria is in full support of this motion, unless my region votes otherwise.

That's fairly complicated. Some of the natives support it, some don't. But all the good natives don't, so you should stick to voting against.

Well, who're these "good" natives you spoke with?

[The Stalker]

I wouldn't rush into this until it's clear their intentions, unless it is your intention to have this liberation permanently.

The delegate only has vassal influence, while native WAs have a ton considering how old the region is. It would take forever to actually destroy your region so it's unlikely their gonna wanna stick around that long.

Calling this a "four year operation" sounds more devoted than it is. Raiders have puppets planted in dozens and for some hundreds of founderless regions. The raider who had a nation there for that long probably has done the same in many other regions as well.

[Kitzerland]

That's fairly complicated. Some of the natives support it, some don't. But all the good natives don't, so you should stick to voting against.

Well, who're these "good" natives you spoke with?

That's fairly complicated. Some of the natives support it, some don't. But all the good natives don't, so you should stick to voting against.

How do you define a 'good' native?

In my humblest of opinions, any native that support the occupation are good natives.

That said, Equestria ROCKS!