[DEFEATED] Condemn Elite Region of Global Command

[Sardennoi]

I initially voted For because hey, Nazis.

Then I considered changing my vote because of the reasons people mentioned about devaluing condemnations...

Then I noticed someone from a Raider region complaining that this would devalue their badge of honor from the SC. Wouldn't that make this proposal a good thing? If you're anti-raider, that is.

You'd think so, but devaluing condemnations as a whole weakens the strength of the SC. If we have to condemn every random Nazi region then actually being condemned is going to mean nothing.

[Flanderlion]

I initially voted For because hey, Nazis.

Then I considered changing my vote because of the reasons people mentioned about devaluing condemnations...

Then I noticed someone from a Raider region complaining that this would devalue their badge of honor from the SC. Wouldn't that make this proposal a good thing? If you're anti-raider, that is.

You'd think so, but devaluing condemnations as a whole weakens the strength of the SC. If we have to condemn every random Nazi region then actually being condemned is going to mean nothing.

We're not. We're condemning this one because it doesn't matter in the scheme of things, but it's putting condemnations back in the 'condemnations are bad things' category that the SC started off with before it got perverted by various factions wanting badges.

[SuperTronGodTopia]

I initially voted For because hey, Nazis.

Then I considered changing my vote because of the reasons people mentioned about devaluing condemnations...

Then I noticed someone from a Raider region complaining that this would devalue their badge of honor from the SC. Wouldn't that make this proposal a good thing? If you're anti-raider, that is.

You'd think so, but devaluing condemnations as a whole weakens the strength of the SC. If we have to condemn every random Nazi region then actually being condemned is going to mean nothing.

It sounds like it already means worse than nothing, if it's something raider regions take pride in.

[Sardennoi]

We're not. We're condemning this one because it doesn't matter in the scheme of things, but it's putting condemnations back in the 'condemnations are bad things' category that the SC started off with before it got perverted by various factions wanting badges.

We're condemning this one because it doesn't matter in the scheme of things

Just read that out loud. We are literally condemning a region because it doesn't matter. If the goal is to go back to "condemnations are bad things", then why would we pass one that doesn't matter? If we want to avoid giving various factions badges why would we give a region a badge that only helps them? Providing a condemnation bolsters their ability to recruit new members and expand their hateful message.

Passing this resolution only harms the future of the Security Council.

[The Atlae Isles]

Aelitia is now the true delegate of TEP.

[Sygian II]

it's putting condemnations back in the 'condemnations are bad things' category that the SC started off with before it got perverted by various factions wanting badges.

It was never like that.

[Flanderlion]

it's putting condemnations back in the 'condemnations are bad things' category that the SC started off with before it got perverted by various factions wanting badges.

It was never like that.

Until Condemn Unknown, or arguably Condemn The Black Hawks it was.

[Corrham]

As Corrhs of all backgrounds and opinions monitor this vote, I would like to clarify that our vote of FOR is a somewhat weak one, as we understand both sides of this argument. We feel that the fact that this proposal is on the table makes discussions about its weakness less justified -- if it was truly a waste of our time, it wouldn't have been such a split vote in the first place. We understand concerns about it lowering the bar for what deserves condemnation, but the people of Corrham are almost universally anti-fascism. Abstaining from this vote would be a dishonest representation of both our governmental position and public sentiment. Ultimately, if Corrham is given the chance to condemn these hateful ideas, only an extremely weak proposal would prevent us from pulling the trigger.

[Viscondy]

I am upset that RL Nazism exists, but I do not obsess over it. Rather, I am playing a political game in which I support the UN-like body in this fictional world holding an opinion that is against Nazism, based on the ideology that my nation holds.

Well by that logic I would still vote against condemning them because my nation values freedom of speech and judges people on their actions rather than views. ERoGC haven't done anything that impressive from the sounds of it. Sleeper missions against 2 regions? One where their own nations are apparently voting against because "the attention is helping to grow them", and a "peaceful" region that's tagged itself as "fascist". Other than that and "[intercepting] a native refound attempt in The Union" (which really needs elaboration imo), every part of the condemnation was about something they said, or a complaint about their ideology. It's not enough to condemn them over.

No, because this is a judgment of a collection of nazi governments. The views of the government ARE the actions of the government, and the people have a right to be protected from a tyrannical government. Governments are not people.

[Maljaratas]

And its losing again, now by a little under 400 votes.
Wohoo!

[The Atlae Isles]

And its losing again, now by a little under 400 votes.
Wohoo!

That's because Aelitia hasn't voted yet. And I hope he doesn't.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

And its losing again, now by a little under 400 votes.
Wohoo!

Mostly caused by the change of Delegate in the East Pacific at major update. And if the new Delegate doesn't log in to his nation in the next couple of hours, then those 300+ votes will not be recast.

[Canton Empire]

And its losing again, now by a little under 400 votes.
Wohoo!

Mostly caused by the change of Delegate in the East Pacific at major update. And if the new Delegate doesn't log in to his nation in the next couple of hours, then those 300+ votes will not be recast.

355.

[Moral States]

Mostly caused by the change of Delegate in the East Pacific at major update. And if the new Delegate doesn't log in to his nation in the next couple of hours, then those 300+ votes will not be recast.

355.

Lets face it. It failed.

[Canton Empire]

355.

Lets face it. It failed.

Lets not say that until it's over, because anything can happen, as we saw all last night

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Lets face it. It failed.

Lets not say that until it's over, because anything can happen, as we saw all last night

At this precise moment if Aelitia logged in and cast his vote "For" the proposal would be losing by 1 vote.

[Maljaratas]

And it has officially failed:
"Condemn Elite Region Of Global Command" was defeated 8,984 votes to 8,629.

[Moral States]

Lets not say that until it's over, because anything can happen, as we saw all last night

At this precise moment if Aelitia logged in and cast his vote "For" the proposal would be losing by 1 vote.

It is over. It lost.

[Central Asian Republics]

That was the closest result I've ever seen.

[The Atlae Isles]

Why couldn't something like the first "Repeal "Liberate Eternal Scholars" " happened? At least that was decisive.

[Wallenburg]

Why couldn't something like the first "Repeal "Liberate Eternal Scholars" " happened? At least that was decisive.

Not really. That only lost with 53.5% of votes cast against. The lemming effect had set the resolution up to win, and only through extensive campaigning and outreach were concerned individuals able to swing the vote the other way around.

[Libertarain Republicans]

And it has officially failed:
"Condemn Elite Region Of Global Command" was defeated 8,984 votes to 8,629.

I'M TRIGGERED

[Gandharasila]

I'd like to be enlightened about that.

I'll gladly help. If we condemn this nation for simply being Nazis, then we as a body are required to continue condemning nations that are also Nazis. With the influx that will follow a passing of this decision, actually being condemned by the SC will mean very little.
In addition to devaluing condemnations, providing them to these kinds of nations only helps the Nazis. These kinds of nations want condemnations as it proves how successful they are at being bad. This makes recruitment easier, and putting them on the Nationstates stage through these resolutions only provides them with publicity and a pulpit to deliver their hateful views.

Passing this resolution will weaken the strength of the SC's future, as all resolutions will become watered down condemnations of any random Nazi region.

I get your logic about these nations feeding on such condemnations, but not how voting for would devalue them and weaken the SC. I am convinced by you that these regions should probably not be highlighted as such, but this sort of argument should be made at the time of the presentation of this resolution, which I am sure you would have. But once that it is up for vote, not voting for it, kills the very purpose you mention. Not voting for it surely will devalue this condemnation.

[Cerian Quilor]

More condemnations = each condemnation having less meaning. Simple supply and demand

[Gandharasila]

More condemnations = each condemnation having less meaning. Simple supply and demand

Then let's build a movement to discourage needless condemnations as much as possible. I am all for it.