[DEFEATED] Condemn Elite Region of Global Command

[United City States of Oceania]

OMG. IT'S NOW JUST A DIFFERENCE OF 5, WITH NO LEADING.

[Goto Mototsugu]

I want one of the major delegates to just completely mess with the vote by constantly switching back and forth.

That would be irritating.

How lol? This entire proposal is not exactly a game changing event. It's condemning some irrelevant Nazi region.

[United City States of Oceania]

That would be irritating.

How lol? This entire proposal is not exactly a game changing event. It's condemning some irrelevant Nazi region.

Yes, but this is a very intense proposal. It's a nail-biter because of how close it is.

[Communal Ecotopia]

-_- you voted for it when you think it's bad and would need and insta-repeal? wowza

Hey, it's better than voting for Navasse's proposal. If this was written by Navasse, everybody would vote against.

Nope. Not me. It's against Nazis. End of story.

[Goto Mototsugu]

How lol? This entire proposal is not exactly a game changing event. It's condemning some irrelevant Nazi region.

Yes, but this is a very intense proposal. It's a nail-biter because of how close it is.

I mean, it's no Superbowl LI. whether this passes or fails, NS will basically be the exact same way the next morning.

[Canton Empire]

OMG. IT'S NOW JUST A DIFFERENCE OF 4, WITH NO LEADING.

Yes is now up by two.

[Communal Ecotopia]

While the SC may have started off IC when it was formed, it has evolved into a mostly OOC area. For example I post here as me, BBD, not the ambassador from Bhang Bhang Duc. Compare the postings in the GA which are very much IC.

Thanks, I guess, for that information. Does this mean that condemnations/commendations reflect OOC sentiment?

Depends, I suspect. For me, yes.

[Canton Empire]

This must be historically close by now.

[United City States of Oceania]

This must be historically close by now.

Definitely. It would be amazing of yes won by one vote.

[United City States of Oceania]

It's tied. Nooooooooooo

[United City States of Oceania]

It fails.

I have to say even if it passes, there is a good chance a repeal will take place.

Someone's already drafted a repeal. Wow.

[Communal Ecotopia]

Are these "Nazis" actually believe in Nazism or are they just joking.

Who the hell knows? But, since I play the game straight, which is to say as close to real life and real political concerns as possible, I assume the same of others until proven otherwise.

[Sygian II]

I have to say even if it passes, there is a good chance a repeal will take place.

Someone's already drafted a repeal. Wow.

Yes, yes I have. It's called being prepared, and being smart.

[United City States of Oceania]

No. Yes is now losing the vote.

[Moral States]

Someone's already drafted a repeal. Wow.

Yes, yes I have. It's called being prepared, and being smart.

Thank you very much. Always think ahead.

[Communal Ecotopia]

Someone's already drafted a repeal. Wow.

Yes, yes I have. It's called being prepared, and being smart.

In some ways, I feel for what you said about R&D being an entirely different animal than Nazism and that a condemnation shouldn't be the same for both issues. I tend to agree. Generally, unless there are natives up in arms or there's in game genocide or war crimes, that's why R&D isn't so important to me. If we could condemn ideologies that exclude and denigrate with a stronger badge, I would. But we can't, since most commend and condemns have been fashioned by gameplayers to be about R&D, and I had to then vote yes. Next best thing.

[Gandharasila]

Unbelievable how condemning an openly Nazi region is such a point to ponder over for many nations.

[Sardennoi]

Unbelievable how condemning an openly Nazi region is such a point to ponder over for many nations.

Probably because it's drastically more complex than that, and that the consequences of passing this resolution can weaken the future of the security council

[Gandharasila]

Yes, yes I have. It's called being prepared, and being smart.

In some ways, I feel for what you said about R&D being an entirely different animal than Nazism and that a condemnation shouldn't be the same for both issues. I tend to agree. Generally, unless there are natives up in arms or there's in game genocide or war crimes, that's why R&D isn't so important to me. If we could condemn ideologies that exclude and denigrate with a stronger badge, I would. But we can't, since most commend and condemns have been fashioned by gameplayers to be about R&D, and I had to then vote yes. Next best thing.

Pardon my ignorance, but what are you referring to when you say R&D? And in what context?

[Gandharasila]

Unbelievable how condemning an openly Nazi region is such a point to ponder over for many nations.

Probably because it's drastically more complex than that, and that the consequences of passing this resolution can weaken the future of the security council

I'd like to be enlightened about that.

[Communal Ecotopia]

In some ways, I feel for what you said about R&D being an entirely different animal than Nazism and that a condemnation shouldn't be the same for both issues. I tend to agree. Generally, unless there are natives up in arms or there's in game genocide or war crimes, that's why R&D isn't so important to me. If we could condemn ideologies that exclude and denigrate with a stronger badge, I would. But we can't, since most commend and condemns have been fashioned by gameplayers to be about R&D, and I had to then vote yes. Next best thing.

Pardon my ignorance, but what are you referring to when you say R&D? And in what context?

Raiding and Defending.

[Kaboomlandia]

One vote. This is way too close.

[Sardennoi]

Probably because it's drastically more complex than that, and that the consequences of passing this resolution can weaken the future of the security council

I'd like to be enlightened about that.

I'll gladly help. If we condemn this nation for simply being Nazis, then we as a body are required to continue condemning nations that are also Nazis. With the influx that will follow a passing of this decision, actually being condemned by the SC will mean very little.
In addition to devaluing condemnations, providing them to these kinds of nations only helps the Nazis. These kinds of nations want condemnations as it proves how successful they are at being bad. This makes recruitment easier, and putting them on the Nationstates stage through these resolutions only provides them with publicity and a pulpit to deliver their hateful views.

Passing this resolution will weaken the strength of the SC's future, as all resolutions will become watered down condemnations of any random Nazi region.

[The Laurentian Federation]

8686 to 8686
Tense

[SuperTronGodTopia]

I initially voted For because hey, Nazis.

Then I considered changing my vote because of the reasons people mentioned about devaluing condemnations...

Then I noticed someone from a Raider region complaining that this would devalue their badge of honor from the SC. Wouldn't that make this proposal a good thing? If you're anti-raider, that is.