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[DEFEATED] Condemn Elite Region of Global Command

Postby Canton Empire » Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:09 am

Condemn Elite Region of Global Command.

The World Assembly Security Council,

Noting the aggressive nature of Elite Region of Global Command,

Asserting that this aggressive nature is used for hatred and bigotry,

Observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls Islam "frankenstein",

Further observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls for the "systematic annihilation" of Communists and Muslim bases,

Further noting that Elite Region of Global Command plotted and carried out a sleeper mission in the peaceful Muslim region of Islamya,

Observing that the same was done, not once, but twice to The Arab League simply because the region possessed an "Anti Fascist" tag,

Noting, that Elite Region of Global Command intercepted a native refound attempt in The Union,

Disgusted that Elite Region of Global Command would call Muslims "muzzies",

Horrified that the World Factbook Entry of Elite Region of Global Command reads "Glory to Nazism",

Recognizing Nazism as an ideology that promotes racist Nationalism,

Resolved that these actions will face an unequivocal response from the Security Council,

Hereby Condemns Elite Region of Global Command


NOTE: I know that this is probably nowhere near being submission good, so don't get all salty if you don't like it please.

EDIT 1: Added "Recognizing Nazism as an ideology that promotes racist Nationalism," to the resolution
EDIT 2: Fixed spacing
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:54 am

Canton Empire wrote:Condemn Elite Region of Global Command.

The World Assembly Security Council,

Noting the aggressive nature of Elite Region of Global Command,

Asserting that this aggressive nature is used for hatred and bigotry,

Observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls Islam "frankenstein",

Further observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls for the "systematic annihilation" of Communists and Muslim bases,

Further noting that Elite Region of Global Command plotted and carried out a sleeper mission in the peaceful Muslim region of Islamya,

Observing that the same was done, not once, but twice to The Arab League simply because the region possessed and "Anti Fascist" tag,

Noting, that Elite Region of Global Command intercepted a native refound attempt in The Union,

Disgusted that Elite Region of Global Command would call Muslims "muzzies",

Horrified that the World Factbook Entry of Elite Region of Global Command reads "Glory to Nazism",

Resolved that these actions will face an unequivocal response from the Security Council,

Hereby Condemns Elite Region of Global Command


NOTE: I know that this is probably nowhere near being submission good, so don't get all salty if you don't like it please.

The two highlighted sections may not be R2(c) compliant. If these are thought to be breaches of NS rules and haven't been reported, then they fail R2(c) as I understand it.
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Postby Sygian II » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:17 am

Aside from what BBD said, it's also doesn't have very good content. The only reason you're condemning them is because they raided a region and they have a thing against anti-fascists and Muslims. What is it these days with people disgracing the condemnation and commendation values of the SC? These guys have worked with Nazi Europa, they're both obviously "Nazis", and giving them or their accomplices any more publicity than they are already get from CAIN is a terrible idea. I currently reside in The Black Hawks, a raider region that is proudly condemned by the Security Council for raiding, and these proposals are the thing that ruin that value.

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Postby Canton Empire » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:04 am

Sygian II wrote:Aside from what BBD said, it's also doesn't have very good content. The only reason you're condemning them is because they raided a region and they have a thing against anti-fascists and Muslims. What is it these days with people disgracing the condemnation and commendation values of the SC? These guys have worked with Nazi Europa, they're both obviously "Nazis", and giving them or their accomplices any more publicity than they are already get from CAIN is a terrible idea. I currently reside in The Black Hawks, a raider region that is proudly condemned by the Security Council for raiding, and these proposals are the thing that ruin that value.

No support.

The point in creating the commendation/condemnation system is to create awareness of a region that does bad things. If you take pride in a condemnation, then the entire system should be scrapped because the condemnation is pointless.

anyways, that's just my opinion.
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Postby Brunhizzle » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:49 am

Canton Empire wrote:
Sygian II wrote:Aside from what BBD said, it's also doesn't have very good content. The only reason you're condemning them is because they raided a region and they have a thing against anti-fascists and Muslims. What is it these days with people disgracing the condemnation and commendation values of the SC? These guys have worked with Nazi Europa, they're both obviously "Nazis", and giving them or their accomplices any more publicity than they are already get from CAIN is a terrible idea. I currently reside in The Black Hawks, a raider region that is proudly condemned by the Security Council for raiding, and these proposals are the thing that ruin that value.

No support.

The point in creating the commendation/condemnation system is to create awareness of a region that does bad things. If you take pride in a condemnation, then the entire system should be scrapped because the condemnation is pointless.

anyways, that's just my opinion.

Then the entire system should be scrapped because it is pointless.
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Postby Canton Empire » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:53 am

Brunhizzle wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:The point in creating the commendation/condemnation system is to create awareness of a region that does bad things. If you take pride in a condemnation, then the entire system should be scrapped because the condemnation is pointless.

anyways, that's just my opinion.

Then the entire system should be scrapped because it is pointless.

Yeah I agree
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:15 pm

This is not the place to discuss whether or not C/C's are pointless.
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Postby Canton Empire » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:48 am

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Canton Empire wrote:Condemn Elite Region of Global Command.

The World Assembly Security Council,

Noting the aggressive nature of Elite Region of Global Command,

Asserting that this aggressive nature is used for hatred and bigotry,

Observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls Islam "frankenstein",

Further observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls for the "systematic annihilation" of Communists and Muslim bases,

Further noting that Elite Region of Global Command plotted and carried out a sleeper mission in the peaceful Muslim region of Islamya,

Observing that the same was done, not once, but twice to The Arab League simply because the region possessed and "Anti Fascist" tag,

Noting, that Elite Region of Global Command intercepted a native refound attempt in The Union,

Disgusted that Elite Region of Global Command would call Muslims "muzzies",

Horrified that the World Factbook Entry of Elite Region of Global Command reads "Glory to Nazism",

Resolved that these actions will face an unequivocal response from the Security Council,

Hereby Condemns Elite Region of Global Command


NOTE: I know that this is probably nowhere near being submission good, so don't get all salty if you don't like it please.

The two highlighted sections may not be R2(c) compliant. If these are thought to be breaches of NS rules and haven't been reported, then they fail R2(c) as I understand it.

It was addressed by a mod, who took it as an rp context
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Postby Canton Empire » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:13 am

This will be submitted soon if no one has anymore comments/corrections.
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Postby LollerLand » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:51 am

Canton Empire wrote:Condemn Elite Region of Global Command.

The World Assembly Security Council,

Noting the aggressive nature of Elite Region of Global Command,

Asserting that this aggressive nature is used for hatred and bigotry,

Observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls Islam "frankenstein",

Further observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls for the "systematic annihilation" of Communists and Muslim bases,

Further noting that Elite Region of Global Command plotted and carried out a sleeper mission in the peaceful Muslim region of Islamya,

Observing that the same was done, not once, but twice to The Arab League simply because the region possessed an "Anti Fascist" tag,

Noting, that Elite Region of Global Command intercepted a native refound attempt in The Union,

Disgusted that Elite Region of Global Command would call Muslims "muzzies",

Recognizing Nazism as an ideology that promotes racist Nationalism,

Horrified that the World Factbook Entry of Elite Region of Global Command reads "Glory to Nazism",

Resolved that these actions will face an unequivocal response from the Security Council,

Hereby Condemns Elite Region of Global Command
Made some changes. The first one is just a small typo. The second one is just to clarify why "Glory to Nazism" is bad..
(The changes are highlighted in red obviously)
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Postby Canton Empire » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:36 am

LollerLand wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:Condemn Elite Region of Global Command.

The World Assembly Security Council,

Noting the aggressive nature of Elite Region of Global Command,

Asserting that this aggressive nature is used for hatred and bigotry,

Observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls Islam "frankenstein",

Further observing that Elite Region of Global Command calls for the "systematic annihilation" of Communists and Muslim bases,

Further noting that Elite Region of Global Command plotted and carried out a sleeper mission in the peaceful Muslim region of Islamya,
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Observing that the same was done, not once, but twice to The Arab League simply because the region possessed an "Anti Fascist" tag,

Noting, that Elite Region of Global Command intercepted a native refound attempt in The Union,

Disgusted that Elite Region of Global Command would call Muslims "muzzies",

Recognizing Nazism as an ideology that promotes racist Nationalism,

Horrified that the World Factbook Entry of Elite Region of Global Command reads "Glory to Nazism",

Resolved that these actions will face an unequivocal response from the Security Council,

Hereby Condemns Elite Region of Global Command
Made some changes. The first one is just a small typo. The second one is just to clarify why "Glory to Nazism" is bad..
(The changes are highlighted in red obviously)
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Postby Canton Empire » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:46 am

If there are no more proposed edits, I will submit this tonight.
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Postby Sygian II » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:13 am

Canton Empire wrote:If there are no more proposed edits, I will submit this tonight.

Not that I don't agree with the points made in the proposal, but I don't think that condemning them and giving them more attention than what CAIN is giving them, and literally awarding them what they would consider a "badge of honor" is the best idea.

It's a decent proposal, but there are other regions out there that actually deserve a condemnation. I'd be willing to help you write one.
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Postby Flanderlion » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:50 pm

Agree on not giving publicity, but I think we've kind of lost the hope of that due to CAIN. It'll give them a recruitment boost but most will CTE in a month or two anyway. The lasting effect of condemning regions like this, is condemnations aren't so much badges of honour for other regions.
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Postby Sygian II » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:56 pm

Flanderlion wrote:Agree on not giving publicity, but I think we've kind of lost the hope of that due to CAIN. It'll give them a recruitment boost but most will CTE in a month or two anyway. The lasting effect of condemning regions like this, is condemnations aren't so much badges of honour for other regions.

I thought I, and others, have explained this before. But I see how it could be confusing.

Raiders (individual nations or regions, just raiders regardless) being condemned is condemning their actions, and if your intentions are to raid and destroy regions, being publicly recognized as "condemned" is indeed a proud badge to wear.
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Postby Flanderlion » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:22 pm

Sygian II wrote:
Flanderlion wrote:Agree on not giving publicity, but I think we've kind of lost the hope of that due to CAIN. It'll give them a recruitment boost but most will CTE in a month or two anyway. The lasting effect of condemning regions like this, is condemnations aren't so much badges of honour for other regions.

I thought I, and others, have explained this before. But I see how it could be confusing.

Raiders (individual nations or regions, just raiders regardless) being condemned is condemning their actions, and if your intentions are to raid and destroy regions, being publicly recognized as "condemned" is indeed a proud badge to wear.

Currently that is. But when you're in the books with the esteemed company of Nazis, Islamic State themed regions, other left wing extremist regions (probably further left than the RL norm because NS is fairly left leaning), man/women hating regions, incest supporters and the like then it's not really as much of a badge of honour. It was to us when we got condemned because we were in the books with raiding greats, but it's kinda annoying having to explain to people about it (thanks Canton for the repeal of it).
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Postby Canton Empire » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:59 pm

Sygian II wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:If there are no more proposed edits, I will submit this tonight.

Not that I don't agree with the points made in the proposal, but I don't think that condemning them and giving them more attention than what CAIN is giving them, and literally awarding them what they would consider a "badge of honor" is the best idea.

It's a decent proposal, but there are other regions out there that actually deserve a condemnation. I'd be willing to help you write one.

I'll definitely take you up on that.
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Sygian II wrote:I thought I, and others, have explained this before. But I see how it could be confusing.

Raiders (individual nations or regions, just raiders regardless) being condemned is condemning their actions, and if your intentions are to raid and destroy regions, being publicly recognized as "condemned" is indeed a proud badge to wear.

Currently that is. But when you're in the books with the esteemed company of Nazis, Islamic State themed regions, other left wing extremist regions (probably further left than the RL norm because NS is fairly left leaning), man/women hating regions, incest supporters and the like then it's not really as much of a badge of honour. It was to us when we got condemned because we were in the books with raiding greats, but it's kinda annoying having to explain to people about it (thanks Canton for the repeal of it).

My pleasure :)
Anyways, I agree with you, CAIN has given these regions too much attention, now it's time for us to condemn them.
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Postby The Stalker » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:05 pm

Against, Nazis should be ignored not brought into the spotlight. Condemnations should be reserved for more classy villains and proper raiders.
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Postby Canton Empire » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:10 pm

The Stalker wrote:Against, Nazis should be ignored not brought into the spotlight. Condemnations should be reserved for more classy villains and proper raiders.

CAIN already thrust Nazi regions into the spotlight.
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Postby The Stalker » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:23 pm

Canton Empire wrote:
The Stalker wrote:Against, Nazis should be ignored not brought into the spotlight. Condemnations should be reserved for more classy villains and proper raiders.

CAIN already thrust Nazi regions into the spotlight.


True, but that was to declare them their enemies. It's one thing to bring Nazis into the light to fight against them, it's entirely another to give them an award.
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Canton Empire wrote:CAIN already thrust Nazi regions into the spotlight.


True, but that was to declare them their enemies. It's one thing to bring Nazis into the light to fight against them, it's entirely another to give them an award.

It is far from an award.
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Postby Sygian II » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:45 pm

Flanderlion wrote:Currently that is. But when you're in the books with the esteemed company of Nazis, Islamic State themed regions, other left wing extremist regions (probably further left than the RL norm because NS is fairly left leaning), man/women hating regions, incest supporters and the like then it's not really as much of a badge of honour. It was to us when we got condemned because we were in the books with raiding greats, but it's kinda annoying having to explain to people about it (thanks Canton for the repeal of it).

Not sure where you're getting those observations. these are the only regions that are condemned by the SC. You shouldn't be putting the regions you mentioned in the spotlight by condemning them anyway. Look at it this way:

1. If you're a raider/invader/imperialist/dictatorship/etc, your condemnation is probably worn as a badge of honor. See: The Black Hawks, The Black Riders, DEN, etc are all examples of raider regions that were condemned and proud of it. The condemnations just pointed out the 'terrible' things that they did, regions they raided, etc. It's like an "Achievement Unlocked" for them.
2. For people that don't follow into the categories that I mentioned above, a condemnation may be worn as a reminder of disgrace or something. But not often.
3. Nazis, Islamic State themed regions, everything else you mentioned, etc should not be given any spotlight in the SC with a condemnation/commendation/liberation or whatever. NONE.
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Postby Flanderlion » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:30 pm

Sygian II wrote:
Flanderlion wrote:Currently that is. But when you're in the books with the esteemed company of Nazis, Islamic State themed regions, other left wing extremist regions (probably further left than the RL norm because NS is fairly left leaning), man/women hating regions, incest supporters and the like then it's not really as much of a badge of honour. It was to us when we got condemned because we were in the books with raiding greats, but it's kinda annoying having to explain to people about it (thanks Canton for the repeal of it).

Not sure where you're getting those observations. these are the only regions that are condemned by the SC. You shouldn't be putting the regions you mentioned in the spotlight by condemning them anyway. Look at it this way:

1. If you're a raider/invader/imperialist/dictatorship/etc, your condemnation is probably worn as a badge of honor. See: The Black Hawks, The Black Riders, DEN, etc are all examples of raider regions that were condemned and proud of it. The condemnations just pointed out the 'terrible' things that they did, regions they raided, etc. It's like an "Achievement Unlocked" for them.
2. For people that don't follow into the categories that I mentioned above, a condemnation may be worn as a reminder of disgrace or something. But not often.
3. Nazis, Islamic State themed regions, everything else you mentioned, etc should not be given any spotlight in the SC with a condemnation/commendation/liberation or whatever. NONE.

Was meaning when we push through a few condemnations to put you in those illustrious company. Wasn't implying that they were already there with you. Thanks for the link, was actually looking at it earlier to see who was still condemned.

I had that view for quite a while, about trying to hide the left/right conflict under the rug. Didn't quite work out, realised that the publicity is going to happen either way, and better to control it rather than having to deal with it. Multiple Feeders have sent out TGs within the last few months about Nazis etc. and new nations are hit with both right and left wing regions TGs as soon as they join.

And if condemnations are a badge of honour, then that's a problem that'll be fixed. Imagine it like having ebola. You can treat is as a blessing or a curse, but it's still something that's bad for you. There is a difference between being in the company of raiding greats and amazing RPers vs. the hated. Condemnations are meant to be a bad thing. The first condemnation was of Macedon (password killing regions - reason for libs), the second was Nazi Europe. Condemnations of individuals should be rewards for playing the game well, but of regions it should be a way of disapproving of what is happening.
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Postby The Stalker » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:14 pm

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True, but that was to declare them their enemies. It's one thing to bring Nazis into the light to fight against them, it's entirely another to give them an award.

It is far from an award.


How? Commending or Condemning a nation or region is awarding them for their good or evil deeds. By who we choose to award sets the standard for the behavior we consider awardable.

It makes way more sense to Condemn the classier raiders, and ignore the Nazis.
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