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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:18 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:This Liberation isn't meant to help the natives; it's meant to open up Femdom Empire, a vulnerable Nazi-affiliated region, for invasion.

Oh, yes, Nazi-affiliated. And if they were "vulnerable", would you need to use a weaponized liberation to invade them? For wrongthink?


Femdom Empire is easily invadable if this Liberation is passed to remove the region's password.

Secondly, the region has actively worked with and promoted Nazis and Nazism. I do think that is enough said.

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Postby Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:19 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy wrote:First time I have ever seen this

Really?

Yeah. How many people you know say that a Radical Feminist is right?
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:20 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
Sovereign Slavic States wrote:Because:
1) They're not Nazis.
2) The resolution is riddled with false information.
3) If the resolution were to pass, it would do next to nothing, since the last attempt to invade failed and had much more support.
4) Nobody wants another long, pointless war.
5) Their ideology is their business. How would you feel if your region was invaded for its beliefs?
6) The Security Council is not in the business of waging war. The point of the SC is to promote peace.
A condemnation of Femdom would be one thing. I don't know whether I would support it or not, but it would be much more in line with the purpose of the Security Council and wouldn't start another pointless drawn-out war.

1. Femdom Empire is closely affiliated with Nazis.
2. The resolution isn't riddled with false information, and it accurately describes why the Liberation should take place.
3. There is a large, determined bloc of updaters who would definitely make a takeover possible.
4. The war wouldn't be pointless; it would be for the sake of anti-Nazism and anti-Authoritarianism.
5. The Nazi and Fascist ideology should be eradicated - unless you support them.
6. The Security Council has been used two times in the past to open a region for invasion.

The Atlae Isles wrote:1. By not solid, I mean it doesn't exist. It's a scam.
2. Vulnerable because it doesn't matter to the Nazis anymore.
3. Why is your reputation bad? Because of things like this.
4. By giving us resolutions like these.
5. Invading Femdom Empire doesn't matter to Femdom State. If Femdom State is the one we should be focusing on, then why are we not scheming to invade once they let their guard down?

1. The opportunity isn't scam; it exists, and is opened if this proposal passes.
2. It still matters with the Nazis, as Femdom State currently has close and cozy relations with the Nazis, and Femdom Empire is a vulnerable part of Femdom empire.
3. This isn't a cause of my reputation; it's a legitimate proposal to liberate a Nazi-affiliated region for invasion.
4. This resolution isn't bad, and it gives a legitimate opportunity for the invasion of Femdom Empire.
5. Femdom State is not founderless, and would take a long time to become vulnerable to invasion. Femdom Empire is founderless, and can be invaded with the passing of this proposal.

1. Femdom Empire is dead. Let go.
2. Yes, it is. That's the problem with offensive liberations.
3. But does CAIN?
4. Let regions be what they are. CAIN is just a defender organization.
5. False dichotomy. Try again.
6. Could you provide the resolutions?
7. It doesn't. Stop crying wolf.
8. But if you invade FE, the natives will flee to FS.
9. No, it isn't. Not according to the voters.
10. Yes, it is. It doesn't provide anything.
11. When I meant "let their guard down," founder CTE is what I meant. And invading FE will do nothing, as I stated in 8.
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:20 pm

Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:
Really?

Yeah. How many people you know say that a Radical Feminist is right?

Only one, and from this forum topic.

I understand and appreciate your diverse beliefs, but your region shouldn't just work with and promote Nazis and Nazism. It's not right.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:21 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Oh, yes, Nazi-affiliated. And if they were "vulnerable", would you need to use a weaponized liberation to invade them? For wrongthink?


Femdom Empire is easily invadable if this Liberation is passed to remove the region's password.

Secondly, the region has actively worked with and promoted Nazis and Nazism. I do think that is enough said.

Yes, but it isn't now, so it's not vulnerable.

And yes, I'm aware. If working with Nazis and "promoting" Nazism is a crime, should we not give those who worked with Communists and "promoted" Communism the same treatment?


Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:
Really?

Yeah. How many people you know say that a Radical Feminist is right?

Radical feminists. Of course, I was agreeing with you on an issue totally unrelated to feminism :p
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Postby Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:21 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy wrote:Yeah. How many people you know say that a Radical Feminist is right?

Radical feminists. Of course, I was agreeing with you on an issue totally unrelated to feminism :p

I know. But still
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:22 pm

Actually, in terms of worldview, Radical Feminism has a lot in common with right-wing ideas.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:22 pm

Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:
Radical feminists. Of course, I was agreeing with you on an issue totally unrelated to feminism :p

I know. But still

Hey, people I otherwise disagree with are allowed to have good points from time to time.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:24 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Actually, in terms of worldview, Radical Feminism has a lot in common with right-wing ideas.

I'd disagree, but maybe that's why there's the word 'radical.'

The point of this topic is useless.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:27 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:Actually, in terms of worldview, Radical Feminism has a lot in common with right-wing ideas.

I'd disagree, but maybe that's why there's the word 'radical.'

The point of this topic is useless.

You're letting semantics get in the way of what is actually proposed and how the worldview behind Radical Feminism works.

That said, yes, this liberation is bad, and as I've said, its supporters should feel bad.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Frapen Folisia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:28 pm

All who care about gender equality will help forge a shield against feminism and social justice.
After all, feminists are Fascists with a new name.

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Postby Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:28 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:I'd disagree, but maybe that's why there's the word 'radical.'

The point of this topic is useless.

You're letting semantics get in the way of what is actually proposed and how the worldview behind Radical Feminism works.

That said, yes, this liberation is bad, and as I've said, its supporters should feel bad.

Sh.. This is not a feminism discussion thread.
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:29 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:1. Femdom Empire is closely affiliated with Nazis.
2. The resolution isn't riddled with false information, and it accurately describes why the Liberation should take place.
3. There is a large, determined bloc of updaters who would definitely make a takeover possible.
4. The war wouldn't be pointless; it would be for the sake of anti-Nazism and anti-Authoritarianism.
5. The Nazi and Fascist ideology should be eradicated - unless you support them.
6. The Security Council has been used two times in the past to open a region for invasion.


1. The opportunity isn't scam; it exists, and is opened if this proposal passes.
2. It still matters with the Nazis, as Femdom State currently has close and cozy relations with the Nazis, and Femdom Empire is a vulnerable part of Femdom empire.
3. This isn't a cause of my reputation; it's a legitimate proposal to liberate a Nazi-affiliated region for invasion.
4. This resolution isn't bad, and it gives a legitimate opportunity for the invasion of Femdom Empire.
5. Femdom State is not founderless, and would take a long time to become vulnerable to invasion. Femdom Empire is founderless, and can be invaded with the passing of this proposal.

1. Femdom Empire is dead. Let go.
2. Yes, it is. That's the problem with offensive liberations.
3. But does CAIN?
4. Let regions be what they are. CAIN is just a defender organization.
5. False dichotomy. Try again.
6. Could you provide the resolutions?
7. It doesn't. Stop crying wolf.
8. But if you invade FE, the natives will flee to FS.
9. No, it isn't. Not according to the voters.
10. Yes, it is. It doesn't provide anything.
11. When I meant "let their guard down," founder CTE is what I meant. And invading FE will do nothing, as I stated in 8.

1. Femdom Empire isn't dead; it's a formerly active region that was quenched by CAIN in its first invasion and should be finished by all other forces in a second invasion with the help of this proposal.
2. Offensive Liberations don't have any false information at all; they simply state the reasons for why such a Liberation should be made.
3. CAIN as a whole may not want to invade Femdom Empire, but multiple regions within it and out of it do want to invade Femdom Empire, and are in sufficient number to do so.
4. CAIN is not a defender organization; it takes offensive actions against Nazi and Nazi-affiliated regions as well.
5. False Conclusion. In reality, the only vulnerable Nazi/Nazi-affiliated region is Femdom Empire. Deal with it.
6. Liberate Nazi Europe and Liberate The NSIA. Please research in the World Assembly.
7. Femdom Empire can be invaded when its password is removed with this Liberation. Stop making false statements, please.
8. The invasion of FE is meant to finish what had almost been done in its first invasion, and is meant to destroy a Nazi-affiliated region with symbolic meaning.
9. According to the voters, the "winning side" is most important because of the lemming effect.
10. The resolution is a great resolution that provides an opportunity for the invasion of FE. Admit it.
11. The CTE of the Founder of Femdom State will take a very long time. Admit it. The invasion of FE can be done if this proposal passes and will be a blow to the Nazi side.

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Postby Frapen Folisia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:30 pm

Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:You're letting semantics get in the way of what is actually proposed and how the worldview behind Radical Feminism works.

That said, yes, this liberation is bad, and as I've said, its supporters should feel bad.

Sh.. This is not a feminism discussion thread.

You are a feminist who believes in bullshit horror stories like the patriarchy

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:30 pm

Frapen Folisia wrote:
Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy wrote:Sh.. This is not a feminism discussion thread.

You are a feminist who believes in bullshit horror stories like the patriarchy

Shh, go here.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:31 pm

Frapen Folisia wrote:All who care about gender equality will help forge a shield against feminism and social justice.
After all, feminists are Fascists with a new name.
Frapen Folisia wrote:All who care about gender equality will help forge a shield against feminism and social justice.
After all, feminists are Fascists with a new name.
Cerian Quilor wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:I'd disagree, but maybe that's why there's the word 'radical.'

The point of this topic is useless.

You're letting semantics get in the way of what is actually proposed and how the worldview behind Radical Feminism works.

That said, yes, this liberation is bad, and as I've said, its supporters should feel bad.


No. I disagree, but we're not discussing that.

Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:You're letting semantics get in the way of what is actually proposed and how the worldview behind Radical Feminism works.

That said, yes, this liberation is bad, and as I've said, its supporters should feel bad.

Sh.. This is not a feminism discussion thread.

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Postby Frapen Folisia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:31 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:1. Femdom Empire is dead. Let go.
2. Yes, it is. That's the problem with offensive liberations.
3. But does CAIN?
4. Let regions be what they are. CAIN is just a defender organization.
5. False dichotomy. Try again.
6. Could you provide the resolutions?
7. It doesn't. Stop crying wolf.
8. But if you invade FE, the natives will flee to FS.
9. No, it isn't. Not according to the voters.
10. Yes, it is. It doesn't provide anything.
11. When I meant "let their guard down," founder CTE is what I meant. And invading FE will do nothing, as I stated in 8.

1. Femdom Empire isn't dead; it's a formerly active region that was quenched by CAIN in its first invasion and should be finished by all other forces in a second invasion with the help of this proposal.
2. Offensive Liberations don't have any false information at all; they simply state the reasons for why such a Liberation should be made.
3. CAIN as a whole may not want to invade Femdom Empire, but multiple regions within it and out of it do want to invade Femdom Empire, and are in sufficient number to do so.
4. CAIN is not a defender organization; it takes offensive actions against Nazi and Nazi-affiliated regions as well.
5. False Conclusion. In reality, the only vulnerable Nazi/Nazi-affiliated region is Femdom Empire. Deal with it.
6. Liberate Nazi Europe and Liberate The NSIA. Please research in the World Assembly.
7. Femdom Empire can be invaded when its password is removed with this Liberation. Stop making false statements, please.
8. The invasion of FE is meant to finish what had almost been done in its first invasion, and is meant to destroy a Nazi-affiliated region with symbolic meaning.
9. According to the voters, the "winning side" is most important because of the lemming effect.
10. The resolution is a great resolution that provides an opportunity for the invasion of FE. Admit it.
11. The CTE of the Founder of Femdom State will take a very long time. Admit it. The invasion of FE can be done if this proposal passes and will be a blow to the Nazi side.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:36 pm

Frapen Folisia wrote:
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:1. Femdom Empire isn't dead; it's a formerly active region that was quenched by CAIN in its first invasion and should be finished by all other forces in a second invasion with the help of this proposal.
2. Offensive Liberations don't have any false information at all; they simply state the reasons for why such a Liberation should be made.
3. CAIN as a whole may not want to invade Femdom Empire, but multiple regions within it and out of it do want to invade Femdom Empire, and are in sufficient number to do so.
4. CAIN is not a defender organization; it takes offensive actions against Nazi and Nazi-affiliated regions as well.
5. False Conclusion. In reality, the only vulnerable Nazi/Nazi-affiliated region is Femdom Empire. Deal with it.
6. Liberate Nazi Europe and Liberate The NSIA. Please research in the World Assembly.
7. Femdom Empire can be invaded when its password is removed with this Liberation. Stop making false statements, please.
8. The invasion of FE is meant to finish what had almost been done in its first invasion, and is meant to destroy a Nazi-affiliated region with symbolic meaning.
9. According to the voters, the "winning side" is most important because of the lemming effect.
10. The resolution is a great resolution that provides an opportunity for the invasion of FE. Admit it.
11. The CTE of the Founder of Femdom State will take a very long time. Admit it. The invasion of FE can be done if this proposal passes and will be a blow to the Nazi side.

Folisian men and women will lead the charge.
The only thing stopping them is the order

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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:37 pm

Additionally, for the sake of transparency, here's the telegram being sent out to WA Members.

Greetings %NATION%.

Vote For Liberate Femdom Empire, a Liberation aimed at creating an Offensive on a Nazi-aligned region.


Liberate Femdom Empire is a Proposal which aims at stopping the growing Nazi influence throughout NationStates by Liberating, or removing the password of, the passworded Femdom Empire - for invasion by Anti-Nazi forces.

You may wonder why we have to Liberate a Nazi-affliated region.

Well, the region has been passworded, and to invade the region to destroy its Nazism, we must take the password away using a Liberation.

Using a Liberation against Femdom Empire, we open its doors for Anti-Nazi forces who aim to erase Nazism from NationStates.

Help the Anti-Nazi effort.

Vote For Liberate Femdom Empire Here!
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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:39 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:Additionally, for the sake of transparency, here's the telegram being sent out to WA Members.

Greetings %NATION%.

Vote For Liberate Femdom Empire, a Liberation aimed at creating an Offensive on a Nazi-aligned region.


Liberate Femdom Empire is a Proposal which aims at stopping the growing Nazi influence throughout NationStates by Liberating, or removing the password of, the passworded Femdom Empire - for invasion by Anti-Nazi forces.

You may wonder why we have to Liberate a Nazi-affliated region.

Well, the region has been passworded, and to invade the region to destroy its Nazism, we must take the password away using a Liberation.

Using a Liberation against Femdom Empire, we open its doors for Anti-Nazi forces who aim to erase Nazism from NationStates.

Help the Anti-Nazi effort.

Vote For Liberate Femdom Empire Here!

What a waste of stamps :(
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:39 pm

Indo-Malaysia wrote:What a waste of stamps :(

Thankfully, I'm simply using the API for this.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:43 pm

Frapen Folisia wrote:All who care about gender equality will help forge a shield against feminism and social justice.
After all, feminists are Fascists with a new name.

Radical feminism and regular feminism have about as much in common as communism and welfare payments.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

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Postby Anarcha Feminist Gynarchy » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:44 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Frapen Folisia wrote:All who care about gender equality will help forge a shield against feminism and social justice.
After all, feminists are Fascists with a new name.

Radical feminism and regular feminism have about as much in common as communism and welfare payments.

I said shh.. This is not a feminism thread
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:50 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
The Atlae Isles wrote:1. Femdom Empire is dead. Let go.
2. Yes, it is. That's the problem with offensive liberations.
3. But does CAIN?
4. Let regions be what they are. CAIN is just a defender organization.
5. False dichotomy. Try again.
6. Could you provide the resolutions?
7. It doesn't. Stop crying wolf.
8. But if you invade FE, the natives will flee to FS.
9. No, it isn't. Not according to the voters.
10. Yes, it is. It doesn't provide anything.
11. When I meant "let their guard down," founder CTE is what I meant. And invading FE will do nothing, as I stated in 8.

1. Femdom Empire isn't dead; it's a formerly active region that was quenched by CAIN in its first invasion and should be finished by all other forces in a second invasion with the help of this proposal.
2. Offensive Liberations don't have any false information at all; they simply state the reasons for why such a Liberation should be made.
3. CAIN as a whole may not want to invade Femdom Empire, but multiple regions within it and out of it do want to invade Femdom Empire, and are in sufficient number to do so.
4. CAIN is not a defender organization; it takes offensive actions against Nazi and Nazi-affiliated regions as well.
5. False Conclusion. In reality, the only vulnerable Nazi/Nazi-affiliated region is Femdom Empire. Deal with it.
6. Liberate Nazi Europe and Liberate The NSIA. Please research in the World Assembly.
7. Femdom Empire can be invaded when its password is removed with this Liberation. Stop making false statements, please.
8. The invasion of FE is meant to finish what had almost been done in its first invasion, and is meant to destroy a Nazi-affiliated region with symbolic meaning.
9. According to the voters, the "winning side" is most important because of the lemming effect.
10. The resolution is a great resolution that provides an opportunity for the invasion of FE. Admit it.
11. The CTE of the Founder of Femdom State will take a very long time. Admit it. The invasion of FE can be done if this proposal passes and will be a blow to the Nazi side.

1. As CAIN has said, they don't want to do this again. Leave Femdom alone.
2. But the SC is not a battleground between CAIN and others.
3. And which regions?
4. Point conceded. But it is not in CAIN's interest to take FE.
5. How is saying 'false dichotomy' a false conclusion? Presenting only 2 options is a false dichotomy in a state where there are more.
6. Those are different. Those are big, well known regions. As you've admitted, FE is now quenched. Do we really need another Liberation?
7. False statement!?! It isn't false! You're making a mockery of the SC and CAIN's time with these badge hunts!
8. The region isn't important anymore.
9. The lemming effect is fluid. It doesn't apply every time, and don't claim the failures of most of your resolutions are because of it.
10. No, it isn't. It isn't great, it doesn't provide an opportunity, no one wants to liberate it.
11. Yes, but is the invasion of FE really important to FS? FS is a safe haven for those in FE. And invading FE will just mean more regions to conquer, and the cycle never ends. This is why CAIN doesn't want it.
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:54 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:1. As CAIN has said, they don't want to do this again. Leave Femdom alone.
2. But the SC is not a battleground between CAIN and others.
3. And which regions?
4. Point conceded. But it is not in CAIN's interest to take FE.
5. How is saying 'false dichotomy' a false conclusion? Presenting only 2 options is a false dichotomy in a state where there are more.
6. Those are different. Those are big, well known regions. As you've admitted, FE is now quenched. Do we really need another Liberation?
7. False statement!?! It isn't false! You're making a mockery of the SC and CAIN's time with these badge hunts!
8. The region isn't important anymore.
9. The lemming effect is fluid. It doesn't apply every time, and don't claim the failures of most of your resolutions are because of it.
10. No, it isn't. It isn't great, it doesn't provide an opportunity, no one wants to liberate it.
11. Yes, but is the invasion of FE really important to FS? FS is a safe haven for those in FE. And invading FE will just mean more regions to conquer, and the cycle never ends. This is why CAIN doesn't want it.

Femdom Empire is important, should be invaded, should be opened up by the SC, and should ultimately be completely shut down by Leftist forces, who have demonstrated interest in invading the region.

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