[Defeated] Condemn "The CAIN"

[Indo-Malaysia]

Im anti nazi im anti nazi

And CAIN isn't Anti-Nazi. Its Anti-Competency.

[Cerian Quilor]

I thought that was the author of this resolution...

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

I thought that was the author of this resolution...

One does not exclude the other.

[Consular]

This thread isn't necessarily about whether or not condemning CAIN is the right thing to do. There's no rule that nations or regions have to vote according to what they, or anyone else, considers to be "right".

Generally speaking, people do vote according to what they think is right...

I generally vote based on whether the resolution is well written or not. That's about it really.

[The Atlae Isles]

Generally speaking, people do vote according to what they think is right...

I generally vote based on whether the resolution is well written or not. That's about it really.

...That's terrible! You don't weigh its merits, just looking at the format, looking at the vocabulary and connotations, feeling the heartfelt words? You don't check whether it fits your values? You don't check whether it's a good resolution?

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

I generally vote based on whether the resolution is well written or not. That's about it really.

...That's terrible! You don't weigh its merits, just looking at the format, looking at the vocabulary and connotations, feeling the heartfelt words? You don't check whether it fits your values? You don't check whether it's a good resolution?

I wouldn't say it's "terrible". It's just pointless; it defeats the purpose of the entire political discourse. The entire thing becomes a contest of grammar, rather than a contest of ideas.

[Cerian Quilor]

Bonus points for using the older, largely obsolete meaning of grammar.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Condemn The CAIN" was defeated 13,654 votes to 3,417.

May I be the first to say "We told you so!"

[Proctopeo]

Condemn The CAIN" was defeated 13,654 votes to 3,417.

May I be the first to say "We told you so!"

It was worth an attempt; after all, it did make a statement.

[Cerian Quilor]

What statement? Please, enlighten me.

[Kitzerland]

What statement? Please, enlighten me.

Their statement is "We're going to keep trying in order to make a statement."

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

What statement? Please, enlighten me.

Their statement is "We're going to keep trying in order to make a statement."

CAIN is not Condemnable and shouldn't be Condemned; however, I have the feeling that this proposal will be submitted again - wasting the SC's time once more.

Please, just so you know: this Condemnation and the result of its voting just comes to show that the opposition isn't powerful nor a majority of NS opinion - no matter what, the largest regions in NationStates will ensure that CAIN cannot be Condemned, even if you tried.

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

Their statement is "We're going to keep trying in order to make a statement."

CAIN is not Condemnable and shouldn't be Condemned; however, I have the feeling that this proposal will be submitted again - wasting the SC's time once more.

Please, just so you know: this Condemnation and the result of its voting just comes to show that the opposition isn't powerful nor a majority of NS opinion - no matter what, the largest regions in NationStates will ensure that CAIN cannot be Condemned, even if you tried.

I bet you feel that justifies what CAIN is doing. Might makes right, after all...

[Proctopeo]

Their statement is "We're going to keep trying in order to make a statement."

CAIN is not Condemnable and shouldn't be Condemned; however, I have the feeling that this proposal will be submitted again - wasting the SC's time once more.

Please, just so you know: this Condemnation and the result of its voting just comes to show that the opposition isn't powerful nor a majority of NS opinion - no matter what, the largest regions in NationStates will ensure that CAIN cannot be Condemned, even if you tried.

Combing the rules of the WASC, I see no reason why it's not Condemnable - I instead found a potential argument for such. A nation could perceive their actions as being unethical and, along with other points, express that in a condemnation.

The statement here is "Approximately 101 regional delegates and a few thousand votes' worth of nations have negative opinions about CAIN". It's something, and a good place to begin... something else.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Their statement is "We're going to keep trying in order to make a statement."

CAIN is not Condemnable and shouldn't be Condemned; however, I have the feeling that this proposal will be submitted again - wasting the SC's time once more.

Please, just so you know: this Condemnation and the result of its voting just comes to show that the opposition isn't powerful nor a majority of NS opinion - no matter what, the largest regions in NationStates will ensure that CAIN cannot be Condemned, even if you tried.

1. In your own words, why is it not Condemnable?
2. How is it a waste of SC Time? (It is pretty ironic with you saying that, as you are badge hunting to liberate an inactive region with no natives)

The only thing I have against CAIN is its poor execution by its administration. As many above have stated, it opposes symbols and not attitudes. Take Nazi Europa for example, yes they do have symbols, but a quick read up their RMB will make your classification of them accurate. However, stuff like KAISERREICH acts nowhere near like Nazis. CAIN needs to also stop TGing regions to stop embassies, because it has become quite clear that isn't working and is causing more trouble than its worth. I do feel that CAIN is if anything giving these regions unwarranted attention.

CAIN is not Condemnable and shouldn't be Condemned; however, I have the feeling that this proposal will be submitted again - wasting the SC's time once more.

Please, just so you know: this Condemnation and the result of its voting just comes to show that the opposition isn't powerful nor a majority of NS opinion - no matter what, the largest regions in NationStates will ensure that CAIN cannot be Condemned, even if you tried.

Combing the rules of the WASC, I see no reason why it's not Condemnable - I instead found a potential argument for such. A nation could perceive their actions as being unethical and, along with other points, express that in a condemnation.

The statement here is "Approximately 101 regional delegates and a few thousand votes' worth of nations have negative opinions about CAIN". It's something, and a good place to begin... something else.

Exactly.

[Cerian Quilor]

CAIN is not Condemnable and shouldn't be Condemned; however, I have the feeling that this proposal will be submitted again - wasting the SC's time once more.

Please, just so you know: this Condemnation and the result of its voting just comes to show that the opposition isn't powerful nor a majority of NS opinion - no matter what, the largest regions in NationStates will ensure that CAIN cannot be Condemned, even if you tried.

Wasting the Security Council's time? I suppose the master would know better than anyone else.

The Security Council is by its nature designed to waste time. Most resolutions that pass through its doors are.

[Imperium Anglorum]

This proposal just goes to show that no matter what happens, everyone will claim that the people are for them.

[Indo-Malaysia]

This proposal just goes to show that no matter what happens, everyone will claim that the people are for them.

That phenomenon has always been the case in just about everything.

[Consular]

...That's terrible! You don't weigh its merits, just looking at the format, looking at the vocabulary and connotations, feeling the heartfelt words? You don't check whether it fits your values? You don't check whether it's a good resolution?

I wouldn't say it's "terrible". It's just pointless; it defeats the purpose of the entire political discourse. The entire thing becomes a contest of grammar, rather than a contest of ideas.

Or perhaps it's just the attitude of someone who has no real agenda at this particular moment, aside from making sure some semblance of quality is maintained in our resolutions.

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

I wouldn't say it's "terrible". It's just pointless; it defeats the purpose of the entire political discourse. The entire thing becomes a contest of grammar, rather than a contest of ideas.

Or perhaps it's just the attitude of someone who has no real agenda at this particular moment, aside from making sure some semblance of quality is maintained in our resolutions.

It is precisely having no beliefs that is the root cause of acting like I describe. What you said does not contradict my point.

[Freemasonator]

I already made the new proposal to this CAIN menace,

Dismayed at the aggressive libel performed by The CAIN towards KAISERREICH, falsely portraying it as a Nazi Region whilst disregarding evidence that suggests otherwise

Abhorred at CAIN's attempted raids of Femdom Empire, a clear cut Feminist region

Discontent that the 'evidence' provided by CAIN about the aforementioned regions consists of dated records and past leaders even denounced by those very regions

Further Dismayed at the labelling of regions which have established embassies of such regions as 'Nazi Collaborators' without any regard for such regions

Horrified that CAIN has smeared the reputations of almost a hundred regions by denouncing them through their liberally usage of the terms 'Nazi Region' and 'Nazi Collaborator

Infuriated that many regions have suffered as a result of the aforementioned slander

Bewildered as to why a region would be labelled as a Nazi Collaborator solely for having established embassies with supposed 'Nazi Regions'

Denunciating this activity for being counterproductive to the Anti-Nazi movement

Concerned that CAIN's liberal use of the label "Nazi" will render the term meaningless

Affirmative that the condemnation of The CAIN is necessary towards a long-term effort to cease the liberal labelling and aggressive campaign for regions to break ties with such labelled regions

Yearning that the condemnation will lead to signatories realising the blatant flaws and potentially reform the CAIN or create a new, more exemplary and meticulous organisation to truly suppress the Nazi Ideology as opposed to targeting regions based on outdated 'evidence' and embassies

The World Assembly hereby condemns The CAIN

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Start a new thread if you wish to write a "Condemn The CAIN" proposal - this thread's for Indo-Malaysia's one. Also yours looks like an almost complete word for word copy. Submit that and you'll be done for plagiarism and booted from the WA.

Unless, of course, you're a puppet of I-M.

Edit: As you have submitted this I have filed a GHR asking for its removal for plagiarism.

[Indo-Malaysia]

Start a new thread if you wish to write a "Condemn The CAIN" proposal - this thread's for Indo-Malaysia's one. Also yours looks like an almost complete word for word copy. Submit that and you'll be done for plagiarism and booted from the WA.

Unless, of course, you're a puppet of I-M.

Edit: As you have submitted this I have filed a GHR asking for its removal for plagiarism.

Cheers. Was just about to do the same.

[Crazy girl]

Indo-Malaysia, did you give permission to this player to use your text?

[Indo-Malaysia]

Indo-Malaysia, did you give permission to this player to use your text?

No. He/She just randomly did it out of the blue.