[DEFEATED] Protection of Nuclear Armaments

[Araraukar]

And yet NAPA is absolutely fine?

No, they both suck, but just because we have one thing that sucks in the books, doesn't mean we should add another thing that sucks, in there.

[Freemasonator]

"And what would define "belligerents", Ambassador?

Fully opposed, seeing as this does the exact same thing as NAPA."

Right, Even if I approve this proposal, I still note that WA Member states should have a perfect weapon to protect itself, but not in a wrong way like N. Korea and Iran

[Qualvista]

The Royal World Estate will continue to reject any resolution that affirms the right of nations to possess nuclear weapons, in accordance with our ethical principles. Moreover, this resolution doesn't appear to change any of the major issues with GAR #10.

[Frustrated Franciscans]

And yet NAPA is absolutely fine?

NAPA is horrible, but if we repealed that where would I get my auto parts from?

And please, stop encouraging me from submitting my Repeal to GA #10.

[Bakhton]

And yet NAPA is absolutely fine?

NAPA is horrible, but if we repealed that where would I get my auto parts from?

And please, stop encouraging me from submitting my Repeal to GA #10.

OOC: Do it.

[Moral States]

LISTEN UP CONSERVATIVES! We must work together to pass "Protection of Nuclear Armaments" and other Conservative GA Policies. We can not let our personal differences get in the way. We must unite and take down the NEW WORLD ORDER. And if we fail here, there is always the Security Council. But this is not just about the World Assembly, it is about our regions. If you region has an election, VOTE CONSERVATIVE and support your candidate based off beliefs not what the media tells you. We must use the Assembly to promote our policies to save morality in this world and to save our Conservative Beliefs. Endorse fellow Conservatives, such as me, to promote our MOVEMENT OF REAL CHANGE. Go out and speak NOW!

[Kitzerland]

LISTEN UP CONSERVATIVES! We must work together to pass "Protection of Nuclear Armaments". We can not let our personal differences get in the way. We must unite and take down the NEW WORLD ORDER. And if we fail here, there is always the Security Council...

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I can't think what PNA has to do with the illuminati.

[Wapo]

All nations should have nuclear weapons in order to promote the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction. The world will be safer place with the MAD effect in full force. Deterrence will prevent widespread conflict and will create world peace.

[Araraukar]

All nations should have nuclear weapons in order to promote the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction. The world will be safer place with the MAD effect in full force. Deterrence will prevent widespread conflict and will create world peace.

I have never been able to understand this. You'd just need one madman who managed to launch one of the missiles, for everyone to get destroyed. Much safer if no-one can destroy another.

[Soviet Yazi]

As a communist country, I feel it is necessary for all countries to be equipped with M.A.D. I feel that as the leader of the Soviet Yazis it is vital to have weapons of mass destruction.

[Kitzerland]

As a communist country, I feel it is necessary for all countries to be equipped with M.A.D. I feel that as the leader of the Soviet Yazis it is vital to have weapons of mass destruction.

And so you're voting yes, or no?

[Phydios]

All nations should have nuclear weapons in order to promote the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction. The world will be safer place with the MAD effect in full force. Deterrence will prevent widespread conflict and will create world peace.

I have never been able to understand this. You'd just need one madman who managed to launch one of the missiles, for everyone to get destroyed. Much safer if no-one can destroy another.

"And if disarmament was achieved, you'd just need one dictatorship that ignores international agreements to hold the rest of the world hostage because everyone else discarded their nukes in the name of peace. (OOC: Think North Korea.) It's the same reason that President Ross is so pro-gun; it only takes one non-law-abider, and everyone else is defenseless and in mortal danger."

[Araraukar]

"And if disarmament was achieved, you'd just need one dictatorship that ignores international agreements to hold the rest of the world hostage because everyone else discarded their nukes in the name of peace. (OOC: Think North Korea.) It's the same reason that President Ross is so pro-gun; it only takes one non-law-abider, and everyone else is defenseless and in mortal danger."

This isn't the right place for this discussion, but if your nation exists on a planet that has one nation so powerful to be able to produce enough nukes to destroy every other nation and their militaries, and yet not suffer from peaceful weapons like embargoes and trade denial (OOC: North Korea doesn't fit this as it still has trade partners, because RL nations are dicks and can't agree on anything), then I can't imagine MAD would do anything but make it a bit easier for them to destroy everyone else, since those others are likely going to have nukes aimed at one another anyway.

Of course if your planet's particular human species has some extra aggressive adrenaline gland or something like that, or the whole global culture is fixated on having phallic weaponry as the only choice of interacting with other nations, then I really don't know what you're doing in the WA in the first place, considering all the restrictions its resolutions place on warfare. Wouldn't a nation like yours that prefers for everyone to die be much happier being allowed to use biological and chemical weapons with abandon as well, and strip civil rights from the population in an effort to keep them all subdued and unlikely to want to try to change the world order?

OOC disclaimer: Araraukar is a pacifist nation without army (gun ownership is banned from non-law enforcement). Janis is the current top diplomat of her nation, and when she's not trolling WA nations, she's helping to keep the more-or-less universal (small armed squabbles happen between some neighbouring nations, but no proper full-out wars have happened in decades) peace on her planet. On their planet nations have the knowhow to make nuclear ICBMs equal to RL, but no world wars, no cold war, so the nations on their alt-Earth never got into the whole armaments race and thus nukes were tested on non-human targets and then globally banned as being too destructive and inhuman.

So all the stuff said in IC should be read through the lense of that past - looking at the MAD from the outside, the question "How the hell did they let it get to that point in the first place?" springs to mind easily.

[Wapo]

All nations have a right to weapons of mass destruction. If they are used the world will be able to retaliate with great force. Another false assumption that you are making are countries that subdues their people to be irrational or more trigger happy. This isn't the case. There are quite rational reasons for why a dictator runs the way he does.

MAD applies to the dictator/oligarchy. They do not want their nation to be destroyed.

[Araraukar]

There are quite rational reasons for why a dictator runs the way he does.

MAD applies to the dictator/oligarchy. They do not want their nation to be destroyed.

OOC: I'm not sure why you're bringing that up as a reply to me, since Araraukar is a dictatorship with a very tightly controlled population with the whole secret police and disappearing dissidents things. There are good RP reasons why it's not a WA nation.

I didn't talk about dictatorships to begin with, I talked about a single madman getting their hands to launch codes and firing a single nuke which would then set off the chain reaction.

[Tinfect]

I didn't talk about dictatorships to begin with, I talked about a single madman getting their hands to launch codes and firing a single nuke which would then set off the chain reaction.

OOC:
I will now point out that this is basically the reason the Imperium exists. Proof that Nuclear (Biological, Chemical, Conventional...) Holocaust leads to great things! ^{Class Exercise: Determine where this became sarcastic.}
IC:

All nations have a right to weapons of mass destruction. If they are used the world will be able to retaliate with great force.

"Ambassador, Mutually Assured Destruction, is a deterrent. It is generally not considered the best of ideas to actually follow through with it."

[Araraukar]

OOC: Proof that Nuclear (Biological, Chemical, Conventional...) Holocaust leads to great things!

OOC: And new inland lakes.

[Qualya]

Nuclear Armaments shouldn't be possessed by any country. It's too dangerous to give any country the responsibility to get that mighty.
"Normal" military armaments are enough to show that you're totally unhappy with a situation between countries.

Greetings,
the government of the Democratic Republic of Qualya

[Separatist Peoples]

Nuclear Armaments shouldn't be possessed by any country. It's too dangerous to give any country the responsibility to get that mighty.
"Normal" military armaments are enough to show that you're totally unhappy with a situation between countries.

Greetings,
the government of the Democratic Republic of Qualya

"Banning them in the WA won't ban them worldwide. So long as any nuclear weapons exist, we need them to prevent being on the wrong end of the stick. Nuclear weapons are a net gain for the world because they prevent large scale conflict, ambassador."

[Imperium Anglorum]

"Ambassador, Mutually Assured Destruction, is a deterrent. It is generally not considered the best of ideas to actually follow through with it."

PARSONS: On the contrary, it is better to follow through if attacked with nuclear force. Otherwise, one establishes the precedent that nuclear attacks will not always be avenged. This would lead to further nuclear attacks in the long run. Even if world technology collapses, there is a very high chance that people will not forget the scourge of atomic fire, and therefore, also refrain from future attacks.

[Aclion]

OOC: Proof that Nuclear (Biological, Chemical, Conventional...) Holocaust leads to great things!

OOC: And new inland lakes.

OOC:Back before we figured just how horrible radioactive fallout was [urlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare]we had sort of ideas for them.[/url]

"Ambassador, Mutually Assured Destruction, is a deterrent. It is generally not considered the best of ideas to actually follow through with it."

PARSONS: On the contrary, it is better to follow through if attacked with nuclear force. Otherwise, one establishes the precedent that nuclear attacks will not always be avenged. This would lead to further nuclear attacks in the long run. Even if world technology collapses, there is a very high chance that people will not forget the scourge of atomic fire, and therefore, also refrain from future attacks.

"Is it though? If a tiny nation sets off a nuke on some remote island territory would you really respond with nuclear force?"

[Qualya]

Nuclear Armaments shouldn't be possessed by any country. It's too dangerous to give any country the responsibility to get that mighty.
"Normal" military armaments are enough to show that you're totally unhappy with a situation between countries.

Greetings,
the government of the Democratic Republic of Qualya

"Banning them in the WA won't ban them worldwide. So long as any nuclear weapons exist, we need them to prevent being on the wrong end of the stick. Nuclear weapons are a net gain for the world because they prevent large scale conflict, ambassador."

I don't think nuclear wappons are necessary at all. They're just on a too high level of violence. The world doesn't need them, even though it uses them... And that's the same for the WA.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Banning them in the WA won't ban them worldwide. So long as any nuclear weapons exist, we need them to prevent being on the wrong end of the stick. Nuclear weapons are a net gain for the world because they prevent large scale conflict, ambassador."

I don't think nuclear wappons are necessary at all. They're just on a too high level of violence. The world doesn't need them, even though it uses them... And that's the same for the WA.

"Near weapons are an extremely efficient deterrent to large scale conflict. MAD works, end file. Even if nuclear weapons were banned by the WA, non-WA members would still be a owed to legally use and proliferate them. A nuclear-free world is not possible by acting through the WA."

[The Atlae Isles]

LISTEN UP CONSERVATIVES! We must work together to pass "Protection of Nuclear Armaments" and other Conservative GA Policies. We can not let our personal differences get in the way. We must unite and take down the NEW WORLD ORDER. And if we fail here, there is always the Security Council. But this is not just about the World Assembly, it is about our regions. If you region has an election, VOTE CONSERVATIVE and support your candidate based off beliefs not what the media tells you. We must use the Assembly to promote our policies to save morality in this world and to save our Conservative Beliefs. Endorse fellow Conservatives, such as me, to promote our MOVEMENT OF REAL CHANGE. Go out and speak NOW!

I'm not conservative, but I agree with the resolution.

OOC: Aren't you also the one who posted the almost same message in the SC? You can only endorse people in your region.

[States of Glory WA Office]

All nations have a right to weapons of mass destruction. If they are used the world will be able to retaliate with great force.

"Ambassador, Mutually Assured Destruction, is a deterrent. It is generally not considered the best of ideas to actually follow through with it."

Harold: Say, now that Fairburn's gone, have we re-established diplomatic relationships with the Imperium? Ooh, scary. "Imperium". What, you think it makes you sound tough or something? Most kids fear me and my kind. You guys are lightweights. People only care about the heavyweight boxers, I'm afraid, though I prefer briefs myself.

Barbera: We have indeed normalised diplomatic relations with the Imperium of Tinfect, though if you keep this up then that situation may not last for long.

Anyway, we must ask what use a deterrent is if one is not willing to follow through on the perceived threat. Yes, one could always claim that they have every intention of utilising nuclear weapons, but what happens in the event that someone calls your bluff?

Harold: Let me get this straight. It's either contribute to the end of the world as we know it or be exposed as a serial liar?

Barbera: That would indeed be an appropriate summary. Thus, the whole concept of Mutually Assured Destruction falls apart as soon as a rogue state decides to try their luck.