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Qualvista
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Postby Qualvista » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:18 am

The Royal World Estate fully supports this repeal and intends to vote in favour when it reaches the floor.
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:35 am

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Tinhampton has previously approved this proposal, out of utter disapproval of the target resolution. In addition, Delegate-Ambassador Smith (in the power vested in him by GA#122 "Read The Resolution Act") has used his common sense to analyse this resolution. He has determined that Tinhampton - in their status as a World Assembly Delegate with 11 votes as of the time of writing - should vote FOR "Repeal: "Securing Nuclear Materials From Dastardly Menaces"". These were the reasons that D-A Smith gave:
As I have pointed out earlier, the Dastardly Nukes Thingy is, and I quote: "a carbon copy of... GA#351 "Nuclear Material Safeguards". There are errors that persist... for example, "the wrong hands" is defined vaguely, if at all; Clause 4 could enable tinpot states to go under the impression that their nuclear secrets could be stolen to gain funds from the WA. Clause 3 could enable them to deliberately remove defenders from their positions in order to claim that they are taking all measures possible to defend their secrets." For these reasons, I support this repeal for such a shoddy resolution.

Tinhampton is voting for this resolution, and also strongly urges other members of the Federation's Assembly of Nations to vote for it. However, this opinion is not binding, and Tinhampton cannot and will not throw you into the flames of the Rejected Realms for failing to vote the same way as them.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:01 pm

This resolution is now at vote.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:04 pm

Ambassador Mondelez wishes to express his support for this repeal.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:40 pm

If you don't count the delegates, and have them be a bunch of nations voting the same way, for every 1 AGAINST vote, there are 7 FOR votes. I really hope that happens. 700-100!

620-123. Dang it.
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Postby Bakhton » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:02 pm

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Postby Ithreland » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:11 pm

"As Ius' only WA member, we support this, the least of which for efficiency's sake and competence of the re-proposer. It was shut down once, and is redundant with no changes to conceal it at all. I almost wonder if it's some elaborate test of how well people know the system, except for Occam's Razor and internet memes. Stupid idiot is stupid."
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:26 pm

700-1,036!?!

I guess those delegates had to come in at some point. Let's just have them vote FOR.
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Postby Prestrainiskiy » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:56 am

I vote against the resolution, for the increasing aggression in other regions will further be escalated resulting to lower nuclear weapons safeguard. War can be fought without the use of such destruction for the sake of the enemy's defeat and desolation.
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Postby Myopic » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:26 am

This should definitely be repealed.
I voted against the proposal when it was put forward.
What kind of serious political resolution has terms such as "dastardly" and "wrong hands"?
Why are these terms not defined?
And who can afford to build nuclear weapons technology but not secure it from terrorist organizations in their own nation?
Why should everyone else subsidize such reckless behavior?
Poorly thought out, poorly worded, and yet amazingly it passed a majority here last week.

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Postby Albithica » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:21 am

Albithica votes for this repeal. The glaring inadequacy of the target resolution is evidence enough to convince the Albithican delegation to fully support its prompt removal from international law. Wishing the best of luck for the success of the repeal, and let us hope this is the last we see of the vague and trite "wrong hands".

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Postby Alkasia » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:15 am

Full support from our delegation. A repeal so soon after the bill being passed is questionable, but the margin seems thin enough to provide some possibility for it.
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:45 am

So I see we are back to the gory days of instant repeals and resolution repeats. We need a better reconciliation mechanism than this nonsense and garbage. I propose a barbwire cage match between the ambassadors of Wallenburg and Imperium Anglorum. This kind of garbage should not be littering up the Roster of WA GA Resolutions. In addition I demand a list of everyone who voted for the resolution and then later voted for the repeal. Either they should be kicked out of the WA for voting for the former, or kicked out of the WA for voting for the later.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:46 am

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:In addition I demand a list of everyone who voted for the resolution and then later voted for the repeal. Either they should be kicked out of the WA for voting for the former, or kicked out of the WA for voting for the later.

MADSONS: I demand ideological consistency!

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:48 am

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:So I see we are back to the gory days of instant repeals and resolution repeats. We need a better reconciliation mechanism than this nonsense and garbage. I propose a barbwire cage match between the ambassadors of Wallenburg and Imperium Anglorum. This kind of garbage should not be littering up the Roster of WA GA Resolutions. In addition I demand a list of everyone who voted for the resolution and then later voted for the repeal. Either they should be kicked out of the WA for voting for the former, or kicked out of the WA for voting for the later.

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Frustrated Franciscans wrote:In addition I demand a list of everyone who voted for the resolution and then later voted for the repeal. Either they should be kicked out of the WA for voting for the former, or kicked out of the WA for voting for the later.

MADSONS: I demand ideological consistency!

"I demand ideological inconsistency! Make the World Assembly fickle again!"
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:51 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:MADSONS: I demand ideological consistency!

"I demand ideological inconsistency! Make the World Assembly fickle again!"

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:52 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"I demand ideological inconsistency! Make the World Assembly fickle again!"

Madsons displays an image on the wall behind the Wallenburg delegation.

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"Only a fascist would say such a thing."
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Postby Bakhton » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:47 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:In addition I demand a list of everyone who voted for the resolution and then later voted for the repeal. Either they should be kicked out of the WA for voting for the former, or kicked out of the WA for voting for the later.

MADSONS: I demand ideological consistency!

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:58 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Madsons displays an image on the wall behind the Wallenburg delegation.

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"Only a fascist would say such a thing."

MADSONS: I demand (a small figurine holding a sword starts waving it about) that we refer to all persons who court not the votes of the fickle mob as 'True Democrats'!

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Postby Unibot III » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:18 pm

OOC: I hear the theme song of the Twilight Zone in my head every time I see the WA confidently repeal something it confidently passed a few days before. :twisted:
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:43 pm

Unibot III wrote:OOC: I hear the theme song of the Twilight Zone in my head every time I see the WA confidently repeal something it confidently passed a few days before. :twisted:

OOC: I wouldn't call a 55%-45% vote "confident".
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While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

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Postby Sandaoguo » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:10 pm

Sandaoguo is fully committed to the movement of nuclear nonproliferation and disarmament, as we believe these weapons of mass destruction pose an existential threat to international order and peace. We believe that nuclear deterrence does not work and that the knowledge of the weaponization of nuclear energy must be eroded by the sands of time. As such, we strongly oppose all existing guarantees of the possession of nuclear weapons and manufacturing knowledge, and oppose the reaffirmation of the Nuclear Arms Protection Act in the resolution this repeal targets. Based on that alone, we support this repeal.


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Postby Los Angeles de lxs Liberadxs » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:45 pm

The WAGA Delegation has been ordered by the Federal Assembly to vote FOR this resolution and we intend to comply. Additionally, our Delegates are wondering if it is possible to ban future Proposals like the target Resolution, that copy previous defeated Proposals which violated the rules. Or really, any regulation of that nature.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:47 pm

Los Angeles de lxs Liberadxs wrote:The WAGA Delegation has been ordered by the Federal Assembly to vote FOR this resolution and we intend to comply. Additionally, our Delegates are wondering if it is possible to ban future Proposals like the target Resolution, that copy previous defeated Proposals which violated the rules. Or really, any regulation of that nature.

You cannot ban resolutions. Blockers are legal, if there is additional action to counterpart the block.
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Postby Los Angeles de lxs Liberadxs » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:51 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Los Angeles de lxs Liberadxs wrote:The WAGA Delegation has been ordered by the Federal Assembly to vote FOR this resolution and we intend to comply. Additionally, our Delegates are wondering if it is possible to ban future Proposals like the target Resolution, that copy previous defeated Proposals which violated the rules. Or really, any regulation of that nature.

You cannot ban resolutions. Blockers are legal, if there is additional action to counterpart the block.

In retrospect, we are pretty sure we meant block, and apologize for this confusion. In any case, we are presently open to supporting the implementation of these policy goals in good faith by any lawful means.
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