[PASSED] Securing Nuclear Materials from Dastardly Menaces

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: From an IC perspective, there is no Security Council, so no Commendations or Condemnations.

OOC: Depends on who is speaking.

PARSONS: Nations don't get condemned for things like these. They get condemned for manipulating regional power structures.

[Excidium Planetis]

He kicks the unconscious body of Fairburn and walks to the podium,

OOC
I highly doubt Fairburn is unconscious from being thrown into a pool. Especially as that would likely lead to drowning, and killing people at the WAHQ is right out.

Also, why was your ambassador in the pool?

[Imperium Anglorum]

He kicks the unconscious body of Fairburn and walks to the podium,

OOC : I highly doubt Fairburn is unconscious from being thrown into a pool. Especially as that would likely lead to drowning, and killing people at the WAHQ is right out. Also, why was your ambassador in the pool?

OOC: Hmm. One could make the argument that the WA staff moved him out of the pool and onto some kerb someplace.

[States of Glory WA Office]

He kicks the unconscious body of Fairburn and walks to the podium,

OOC
I highly doubt Fairburn is unconscious from being thrown into a pool.

OOC: Hey, Wallenburg never mentioned a pool. Then again, I never mentioned unconsciousness. *glares at The Atlae Isles*

An "Oof!" sound is heard as Ambassador Fairburn impacts the ground and hits another. George Williamsen, picks himself off the ground, and yells at the open window space: "Just for that, I'm voting AGAINST!"

He kicks the unconscious body of Fairburn and walks to the podium, under stunned silence. Williamsen says, "Actually, it's because there isn't anything about safety measures when keeping these weapons. It's lacking a few things. I will be forced to write a repeal if this passes."

IC: Fairburn: Oi! What's with the kicking?! I'll have your head on a spike for this! (charges towards Williamsen)

Neville: (walks to the window) Is everything OK down there?

Fairburn: (looks up) I've been attacked by two "ambassadors" in quick succession! This is obviously some sort of conspiracy! When I find that Wallenburger, I'm going to...

Neville: Now you've received the full defenestration experience. Join the club.

Fairburn: Hey, you landed in a pool, while I've been thrown onto solid concrete, so it's pretty clear that I've had it far worse. It's too bad that I landed on my numb leg, so I cannot sue the Wallenburger for everything he owns.

Neville: I see. Have fun. (turns around) Until further notice, I will be the acting Ambassador.

[The Atlae Isles]

OOC
I highly doubt Fairburn is unconscious from being thrown into a pool.

OOC: Hey, Wallenburg never mentioned a pool. Then again, I never mentioned unconsciousness. *glares at The Atlae Isles*

An "Oof!" sound is heard as Ambassador Fairburn impacts the ground and hits another. George Williamsen, picks himself off the ground, and yells at the open window space: "Just for that, I'm voting AGAINST!"

He kicks the unconscious body of Fairburn and walks to the podium, under stunned silence. Williamsen says, "Actually, it's because there isn't anything about safety measures when keeping these weapons. It's lacking a few things. I will be forced to write a repeal if this passes."

IC: Fairburn: Oi! What's with the kicking?! I'll have your head on a spike for this! (charges towards Williamsen)

Neville: (walks to the window) Is everything OK down there?

Fairburn: (looks up) I've been attacked by two "ambassadors" in quick succession! This is obviously some sort of conspiracy! When I find that Wallenburger, I'm going to...

Neville: Now you've received the full defenestration experience. Join the club.

Fairburn: Hey, you landed in a pool, while I've been thrown onto solid concrete, so it's pretty clear that I've had it far worse. It's too bad that I landed on my numb leg, so I cannot sue the Wallenburger for everything he owns.

Neville: I see. Have fun. (turns around) Until further notice, I will be the acting Ambassador.

My antique rug was ruined by horse poop. I was just walking to the building when I see a screaming ambassador falling on me! What would I do? I'm in a bad mood! Too bad my insurance doesn't cover being flattened by a defenestrated ambassador, or horse poop damage.

Also, what pool? There's a pool? Oh, I hate my job.

EDIT: I guess Ambassador Ogenbond didn't use the window that faced the pool. I wasn't in it.

[The Atlae Isles]

OOC: From an IC perspective, there is no Security Council, so no Commendations or Condemnations.

OOC: Depends on who is speaking.

PARSONS: Nations don't get condemned for things like these. They get condemned for manipulating regional power structures.

That's true, but wouldn't you agree that you wouldn't want a nation that organizes a coup with nuclear weapons? Even if you do too, that would still be VERY dangerous.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Depends on who is speaking.

PARSONS: Nations don't get condemned for things like these. They get condemned for manipulating regional power structures.

That's true, but wouldn't you agree that you wouldn't want a nation that organizes a coup with nuclear weapons? Even if you do too, that would still be VERY dangerous.

"I would want nuclear weapons only in the hands of those who would organize a coup. That's a degree of subtlety that I want in a nuclear power. Not the ham-fisted, trigger-happy grenade-chuckers who think all problems are artillery targets."

[Astrolinium]

Giovanni frowns at the paper.

"You know I love me some nukes as much as the next fellow. His Majesty, is very staunchly anti-nuclear-proliferation, and, well, if I know him, and I do, as soon as this is up for a vote I'm going to have an email in my inbox declaring how certain the King is that I will vote against this."

[Wallenburg]

This resolution is now at vote.

[The Two Jerseys]

We see that Ambassador Parsons is playing the "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" Card with that title.

And barring the intervention of some meddling kids and their dog, he might get away with it...

[The Atlae Isles]

OPPOSED.

See my reasoning earlier.

OOC: I'm on an iPad. I'm too lazy to write long sentences.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

My apologies; opposed.

I can't support something with such broad terms as "the wrong hands." Even with a good faith interpretation, that's too vague.

[Bakhton]

Lara Qzu, finally seeming to have calmed down from the war for a slight moment for tea, says, "We cannot support this legislation as it seeks to mandate how our country operates its foreign affairs with other nations. How are we, the tiny nation of Bakhton, to be expected to follow through with this resolution? We cannot track the sale of nuclear arms, we lack the influence to intervene, and it would behest us not to agitate foreign powers. For this reason and others our Supreme Court has ruled 9-2 against this piece. I personally would recommend universal nuclear disarmament treaties in the future, though I doubt with such militaristic nations such a thing would pass."

[Excidium Planetis]

OOC
I highly doubt Fairburn is unconscious from being thrown into a pool.

OOC: Hey, Wallenburg never mentioned a pool. Then again, I never mentioned unconsciousness. *glares at The Atlae Isles*

OOC
I believe all the windows face the Vastivan Memorial Reflecting Pool.

[The Cheeki Breeki Anarchists]

I am known throughout most regions as a power Hungary Lunatic, with the impulses to secure the works of my ancestors, Therefore I am aginst it. Because 1 I need more Nuclear power. 2. nukes4evah

[Havensky]

In all seriousness, the Skybound Republic finds it difficult to support this well-intentioned resolution without some definition of what counts as the wrong hands. It's much too vague.

[Chaunceys]

In all seriousness, the Skybound Republic finds it difficult to support this well-intentioned resolution without some definition of what counts as the wrong hands. It's much too vague.

Agreed, Chaunceys thinks this has good intentions but the wording is far to vague for us to support.

[Imperium Anglorum]

In reference to the wrong hands clause, to quote Flib, the author of 10 GA 'Nuclear Arms Possession Act', here:

Are you kidding? {\People have been using that BS argument ever since my first draft of the NAPA. There is a very simple reason why i chose the wording I did for that clause, and that is because every nation that chooses to have a nuclear stockpile is going to have a different opinion of who should have access to said stockpile and the wording I used allows nations to make their own determinations as to who has access and who doesn't. But obviously some people are just jealous that i can do in a simple sentence what takes them multiple paragraphs to do.

The 'wrong hands' clause is designed such that nations can choose who they believe are the wrong hands, i.e. to deal with the fact that 'every nation that chooses to have a nuclear stockpile is going to have a different opinion of who should have access to said stockpile'. Also totally should have called this 'Securing Nuclear Materials from Wicked Actors'.

[Europe and Oceania]

We voted against this.

[Federated States of Zootron]

"The Federated States of Zootron strongly objects to the lack of mention of peaceful uses of nuclear weapons, ans is curious about the lack of relevance to those nations which have not yet developed such weapons. Furthermore, we are curious as to what defines a nuclear weapon, and if provisions for other such high-energy physics weapons will be included. Supported, with some objections."

"We further take great interest in the historical and current divisiveness of nuclear-weapons related proposals."

[Nilla Wayfarers]

In reference to the wrong hands clause, to quote Flib, the author of 10 GA 'Nuclear Arms Possession Act', here:

Are you kidding? {\People have been using that BS argument ever since my first draft of the NAPA. There is a very simple reason why i chose the wording I did for that clause, and that is because every nation that chooses to have a nuclear stockpile is going to have a different opinion of who should have access to said stockpile and the wording I used allows nations to make their own determinations as to who has access and who doesn't. But obviously some people are just jealous that i can do in a simple sentence what takes them multiple paragraphs to do.

The 'wrong hands' clause is designed such that nations can choose who they believe are the wrong hands, i.e. to deal with the fact that 'every nation that chooses to have a nuclear stockpile is going to have a different opinion of who should have access to said stockpile'. Also totally should have called this 'Securing Nuclear Materials from Wicked Actors'.

Allowing all different member nations to follow their independent opinions regarding this issue isn't reasonable. What one nation decides to be "the wrong hands" could be completely harmless, whereas what they think is harmless could be threatening to the state.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Allowing all different member nations to follow their independent opinions regarding this issue isn't reasonable. What one nation decides to be "the wrong hands" could be completely harmless, whereas what they think is harmless could be threatening to the state.

"every nation that chooses to have a nuclear stockpile is going to have a different opinion of who should have access to said stockpile"

[Wallenburg]

In reference to the wrong hands clause, to quote Flib, the author of 10 GA 'Nuclear Arms Possession Act', here:

Are you kidding? {\People have been using that BS argument ever since my first draft of the NAPA. There is a very simple reason why i chose the wording I did for that clause, and that is because every nation that chooses to have a nuclear stockpile is going to have a different opinion of who should have access to said stockpile and the wording I used allows nations to make their own determinations as to who has access and who doesn't. But obviously some people are just jealous that i can do in a simple sentence what takes them multiple paragraphs to do.

The 'wrong hands' clause is designed such that nations can choose who they believe are the wrong hands, i.e. to deal with the fact that 'every nation that chooses to have a nuclear stockpile is going to have a different opinion of who should have access to said stockpile'. Also totally should have called this 'Securing Nuclear Materials from Wicked Actors'.

"That's absolutely unacceptable. One nation might interpret the 'wrong hands' as exclusively referring to confirmed terrorists. Another might say that 'the wrong hands' can be applied to any government or anyone other than itself."

[Excidium Planetis]

Allowing all different member nations to follow their independent opinions regarding this issue isn't reasonable. What one nation decides to be "the wrong hands" could be completely harmless, whereas what they think is harmless could be threatening to the state.

"every nation that chooses to have a nuclear stockpile is going to have a different opinion of who should have access to said stockpile"

"That's simply not reasonable, Your Grace. If nations are allowed to choose who they think are the wrong hands, nations can decide that the wrong hands are nations which will only use them in compliance with World Assembly resolutions, and give out weapons exclusively to nations which will use them on civilians. Or a nation which profits off of arms dealing may sell nuclear weapons to anyone, because the wrong hands are those who cannot afford to purchase the weapons. This kind of proliferation of nuclear weaponry is disastrous."

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Allowing all different member nations to follow their independent opinions regarding this issue isn't reasonable. What one nation decides to be "the wrong hands" could be completely harmless, whereas what they think is harmless could be threatening to the state.

"every nation that chooses to have a nuclear stockpile is going to have a different opinion of who should have access to said stockpile"

I understand that. That's the problem, because if you're legislating on something that serious, you can't leave it up to individual interpretation.