[DEFEATED] Condemn The CAIN

[-Mr Money-]

I'm not sure what condemning CAIN would do other than give them a reason to continue doing whatever it is they do. I am generally against official condemnations, even if they are targeted against those I don't agree with or those that have tried (unsuccessfully) to intimidate me with asinine threats.

[Neo Danzig]

I'm not sure what condemning CAIN would do other than give them a reason to continue doing whatever it is they do. I am generally against official condemnations, even if they are targeted against those I don't agree with or those that have tried (unsuccessfully) to intimidate me with asinine threats.

I'm generally of a similar viewpoint, but that's because a lot of condemnations are targeted towards raiders. CAIN seems to think they're the good guys, so I think a condemnation would affect them a lot more. Additionally, I think the most important part of this campaign is spreading awareness about what CAIN is doing, which I think a condemnation would do.

[Brunhizzle]

If you're going to try to condemn us, at least do it with factually correct information for something other than saying that racism is bad.

[Varvuk]

I'm not sure what condemning CAIN would do other than give them a reason to continue doing whatever it is they do. I am generally against official condemnations, even if they are targeted against those I don't agree with or those that have tried (unsuccessfully) to intimidate me with asinine threats.

I'm generally of a similar viewpoint, but that's because a lot of condemnations are targeted towards raiders. CAIN seems to think they're the good guys, so I think a condemnation would affect them a lot more. Additionally, I think the most important part of this campaign is spreading awareness about what CAIN is doing, which I think a condemnation would do.

correct me if im wrong but your nation name sound like neo nazi when pronounced, ever heard of Dank memes?
whatever, i think you are just nazi nation that defends yours beliefs, and really badly through SC resolution which will not pass.

[Neo Danzig]

I'm generally of a similar viewpoint, but that's because a lot of condemnations are targeted towards raiders. CAIN seems to think they're the good guys, so I think a condemnation would affect them a lot more. Additionally, I think the most important part of this campaign is spreading awareness about what CAIN is doing, which I think a condemnation would do.

correct me if im wrong but your nation name sound like neo nazi when pronounced, ever heard of Dank memes?
whatever, i think you are just nazi nation that defends yours beliefs, and really badly through SC resolution which will not pass.

You are most definitely wrong. Neo merely means "new" it comes from the Greek word "neos" meaning the same. As for Danzig, it is a city in Poland more commonly known as Gdańsk. Please educate yourself before accusing people of being Nazis.

[Tinhampton]

The Self-Administrative City of Tinhampton

WA Delegate for the Federation of Fictitious States
Alexander Smith - Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly
Opinion of the Federation's WA Delegate (SC #3)
This comment best experienced on 1366 x 768. Or, for that matter, least worst experienced on 1366 x 768. Yes, I know that my flag is the wrong proportions. πr^circle.

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In accordance with general policy on Security Council resolutions, Tinhampton has approved this proposal. In addition, Delegate-Ambassador Smith (in lieu of any resolutions passed by The Other Chamber of the World Assembly, especially the one hundred and twenty-second one) has used his common sense to analyse this resolution. He has determined that Tinhampton - in their status as a World Assembly Delegate with 11 votes as of the time of writing - should vote FOR the Condemnation of The CAIN. These were the reasons that D-A Smith gave (which Assistant Williamson concurred with):

I wholeheartedly agree with what this resolution says - particularly on the "destruction" (not through raiding, but through sanctions) of regions due to their labelling of them as Nazi Regions and Collaborators. In addition, we must cast our minds back to October, where CAIN forces destroyed a native community residing in The NSIA by way of a Liberation, which is an action I would not condone. Indeed, in the discussion corridor allocated to CAIN discussion, one nation in a member region even stated that "There is no such thing as an "innocent individual" in Nazi regions!¹" The actions conducted by the CAIN are concerning, and I believe that these deserve to be punished by a Condemnation from this august body.

¹: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=30567945#p30567945

Tinhampton is voting for this resolution, and also strongly urges other members of the Federation's Assembly of Nations to vote for it. However, this opinion is not binding, and Tinhampton cannot and will not throw you into the flames of the Rejected Realms for failing to vote the same way as them.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"I vote for. Their definition of "Nazi collaborators" is very vague."

[-Mr Money-]

"I vote for. Their definition of "Nazi collaborators" is very vague."

I don't think they even know what a Nazi is.

[Varvuk]

this is clearly poorly made nazi attack on CAIN treaty, i rest my case.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

this is clearly poorly made nazi attack on CAIN treaty, i rest my case.

OOC: [Citation needed]

[-Mr Money-]

this is clearly poorly made nazi attack on CAIN treaty, i rest my case.

The guys not a Nazi! He says himself he is a Classical Liberal, read his signature. What is your definition of Nazi, pray tell?

[Cream Sauce]

Although it looks like this is going to be defeated I'm glad someone took a stand against CAIN. They threatened to label us as Nazi collaborators for our embassy with Kaiserreich (which I still don't believe is a Nazi region) despite us never supporting Nazi activities. It feels like they're simply witch hunting.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Given the membership of CAIN, this will be stomped into the ground within minutes of going to vote. Have fun.

Happening already, TWP and Balder have given it a good kicking.

[Red God Rhllor]

this is clearly poorly made nazi attack on CAIN treaty, i rest my case.

The guys not a Nazi! He says himself he is a Classical Liberal, read his signature. What is your definition of Nazi, pray tell?

he has 23million people in country, he writes very well resolutions, he has suspicious name, he clearly is someones puppet.
(Neo Danzig)

[Hashirajima]

Although it looks like this is going to be defeated I'm glad someone took a stand against CAIN. They threatened to label us as Nazi collaborators for our embassy with Kaiserreich (which I still don't believe is a Nazi region) despite us never supporting Nazi activities. It feels like they're simply witch hunting.

"Far from it for this newly admitted nation to make a definite statement, but from what little has been observed, it appears this "CAIN" is merely a self-"appointed" inquisition. Very much unbecoming behaviour for any member of this august body, to indiscriminately sow strife."

~ Hasebe Kunishige, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Hashirajima

[Brunhizzle]

where CAIN forces destroyed a native community residing in The NSIA by way of a Liberation

You mean when CAIN raided The NSIA, also know as The National Socialist Invasion Army? A region whose World Factbook Entry called on the region's inhabitants to "SAVE THE WHITE RACE!!" and later stated its purpose as "the survival, expansion and advancement of the White Race through the promotion of National Socialism, White Nationalism, Pan-Aryanism and many other worthy ideologies?" Yes, so terrible of us to raid a region that advertised its love of racism.

I don't think they even know what a Nazi is.

What makes you think that? Our designation of "Nazi Europa" or "National Socialist Ministries" as a Nazi Region? Perhaps its the designation of a region with a leader that has made racist statements while using Nazi Symbolism on their forum as a Nazi Region that makes you think that? No? Then perhaps it's the.. raid against the proudly Islamophobic region who lists "Nazi Europa" as its ally?

"I vote for. Their definition of "Nazi collaborators" is very vague."

It's not, really. If you give military assistance to a Nazi Region or assist them in furthering their diplomatic agenda by maintaining an embassy with them, without being an embassy collecting region, you're labeled as a Nazi Collaborator. Pretty straightforward.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

So what exactly happens when a region gets condemned? Does their economy fall or some thing like that?

[Brunhizzle]

So what exactly happens when a region gets condemned? Does their economy fall or some thing like that?

They get a badge that says they've been condemned.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Thats cool.

So what happens when they get Praised?? The same thing?

[Cresenthia]

Thats cool.

So what happens when they get Praised?? The same thing?

*Commeded

But yes.

[Tinhampton]

Thats cool.

So what happens when they get Praised?? The same thing?

Yes. (i.e. Bears Armed). Also, to correct Cresentia, *Commended.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"I vote for. Their definition of "Nazi collaborators" is very vague."

It's not, really. If you give military assistance to a Nazi Region or assist them in furthering their diplomatic agenda by maintaining an embassy with them, without being an embassy collecting region, you're labeled as a Nazi Collaborator. Pretty straightforward.

"To quote an infamous President elect, 'wrong'."

1. Definitions

Nazi Collaborator: A region recognized by CAIN as a region that assists in furthering the agenda of, and/or shares core beliefs with, Nazism and/or Nazi Regions.

"So, as head of CAIN, In theory you can call every region in the world a 'Nazi Collaborator' beacuse the vaguely did something that vaguely suports nazism without context."

[Tinhampton]

1. Definitions

Nazi Collaborator: A region recognized by CAIN as a region that assists in furthering the agenda of, and/or shares core beliefs with, Nazism and/or Nazi Regions.

"So, as head of CAIN, In theory you can call every region in the world a 'Nazi Collaborator' beacuse the vaguely did something that vaguely suports nazism without context."

In further theory, the CAIN constitution (CAINstitution?) allows for this designation to happen constitutionally, if 75% of signatories agree (and all regions which opt-out of ratification are chucked out).

4. General Provisions
(f) This treaty may be amended by a vote of three-fourths of signatories. Such amendments must then be ratified by the signatories before being considered binding. Amendments will be announced in the CAIN Gameplay thread, after which signatories have two weeks to decide whether they wish to ratify the amendment or not. If no progress has been made on the ratification process after those two weeks the region will no longer be considered a signatory.

(g) Any signatory may opt-out of ratifying amendments to CAIN. After doing so, they will no longer be considered a signatory.

[-Mr Money-]

There is no official definition for Nazi that I am aware of, indeed National Socialism has differing branches, such as Hitlerism, that believe in different things. How can anyone call someone a Nazi without it being a form of verbal insult? It's like calling someone a Communist, just because they're left wing, again the same thing applies there. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much against the actions of the Third Reich, but the word Nazi is a vague word designed to deceive and insult others. Dear me, I've been called a Nazi in the past!

To clarify, I voted against this Resolution.

[Tinhampton]

There is no official definition for Nazi that I am aware of, indeed National Socialism has differing branches, such as Hitlerism, that believe in different things. How can anyone call someone a Nazi without it being a form of verbal insult? It's like calling someone a Communist, just because they're left wing, again the same thing applies there. Don't get me wrong, I'm very much against the actions of the Third Reich, but the word Nazi is a vague word designed to deceive and insult others.

To clarify, I voted against this Resolution.

1. Definitions

Nazism: The ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state, as well as other far-right groups. In the context of NationStates, it is an ideology that glorifies National Socialism or Nazi Germany and/or actively practices Nazi beliefs such as antisemitism, pseudo-scientific racism, racial hygiene, slaughter for living space, genocide, eugenics, persecution of LGBT, etc.