[DEFEATED] Condemn The CAIN

[Gorny Slask]

CAIN Did nothing wrong, nazis are the real problem! All the nazi organizations are the problem.

[Math Nation]

I think this is good, but it has no chance of passing. CAIN signatories make up 34% of the entire NS population. To put this into perspective, this is double the size of the entire country of San Marino. The delegates of these regions would torpedo this resolution before it even got off the ground.

I don't expect it to be an easy path to victory, but it's worth a shot. Even if it is defeated, it'll at least spread awareness.

[Viscondy]

Jamie Williamson, Assistant to the Delegate-Ambassador: For the Viscondyian ambassador: Yes, I might be an International Federalist, but even I can agree that Member States are free to pick whatever type of government they choose! The World Assembly cannot force members to change the politics of their government; only to change their attitudes on specific areas of legislation. In case you're wondering, my NatSov colleague* is out to get dinner at the local Papa Pallocci's Pizza Something-or-other.
*Delegate-Ambassador Alexander Smith

Ambassador, we are well aware that the World Assembly is not going to force any particular type of government on it's nations, and we are not calling for that (although, in an ideal world, we would like this to be the case. If we were to have that discussion, it would be a philosophical one, about whether institutions and groups of people e.g. Nations had rights independent of actual people. I therefore request, ambassador, that you research the philosophy of personhood before making assertions such as that nation states have 'rights' to 'choose' their form of government. No nation 'chooses' it's form of government, only the individual(s) in power do that. To give psychotic dictators rights to choose whether to stay in power would violate multiple laws passed by the WA and general policy of this institution that everyone should have equal rights.
And no, even though I may seem like it from what I have said, I am not an international federalist. International federalists assert the rights of the WA over the rights of governments. I do not agree that any body or institution should have 'rights' over another. So, in conclusion, fascism is objectively wrong, and anything that is objectively wrong should ideally be eliminated unless it possesses any redeeming properties. Whilst Viscondy is aware that the WA will never outlaw any ideology, as determined by the secretariat, we will still continue to support the rights and lives of actual people everywhere, and this shall influence how we vote in terms of WA resolutions.

[-Mr Money-]

Well I always thought this proposal was doomed to humiliating failure. Can't say I'm surprised by the result of this vote.

[Dannyation]

Unless we have representation in CAIN we can not let them hurt nations.

[-Mr Money-]

Unless we have representation in CAIN we can not let them hurt nations.

I don't think there was any question of them hurting Nations per say, it's more the threatening of Regions with blackmail which needs to be prevented.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"I'm disappointed by results but will respect the SC's decision"

[Viscondy]

Unless we have representation in CAIN we can not let them hurt nations.

I don't think there's was any question of them hurting Nations per say, more the, threatening Regions with blackmail which needs to be prevented.

I think that blackmail to end an alliance with nazis cannot be said to be bad.

[Heckie]

It's not possible to respond too strongly to Nazi sympathizers. Anyone who proliferates Nazi-associated imagery is normalizing Nazism. Anyone who is unwilling to dissolve ties with Nazis is a Nazi apologist. Honestly, CAIN seems pretty measured and diplomatic, which I don't think is even necessary when it comes to condemning Nazis. This resolution is basically seeking to reprimand anti-fascists for being anti-fascists. Or for not being polite enough to Nazis, lmao.

[Northern Alwaincefalland]

It's not possible to respond too strongly to Nazi sympathizers. Anyone who proliferates Nazi-associated imagery is normalizing Nazism. Anyone who is unwilling to dissolve ties with Nazis is a Nazi apologist. Honestly, CAIN seems pretty measured and diplomatic, which I don't think is even necessary when it comes to condemning Nazis. This resolution is basically seeking to reprimand anti-fascists for being anti-fascists. Or for not being polite enough to Nazis, lmao.

[Darcania]

Unless we have representation in CAIN we can not let them hurt nations.

You're in The North Pacific... a signatory region. We ratified the treaty by a supermajority through our democratic legislature.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It's not possible to respond too strongly to Nazi sympathizers. Anyone who proliferates Nazi-associated imagery is normalizing Nazism. Anyone who is unwilling to dissolve ties with Nazis is a Nazi apologist. Honestly, CAIN seems pretty measured and diplomatic, which I don't think is even necessary when it comes to condemning Nazis. This resolution is basically seeking to reprimand anti-fascists for being anti-fascists. Or for not being polite enough to Nazis, lmao.

"Only problem is that there definition of 'Nazi Sympathizers' is so weak that any Region could be a 'Nazi Sympathizer'."

Unless we have representation in CAIN we can not let them hurt nations.

You're in The North Pacific... a signatory region. We ratified the treaty by a supermajority through our democratic legislature.

"You keep on bringing up that irrelevant point."

[LollerLand]

It's not possible to respond too strongly to Nazi sympathizers. Anyone who proliferates Nazi-associated imagery is normalizing Nazism. Anyone who is unwilling to dissolve ties with Nazis is a Nazi apologist. Honestly, CAIN seems pretty measured and diplomatic, which I don't think is even necessary when it comes to condemning Nazis. This resolution is basically seeking to reprimand anti-fascists for being anti-fascists. Or for not being polite enough to Nazis, lmao.

"Only problem is that there definition of 'Nazi Sympathizers' is so weak that any Region could be a 'Nazi Sympathizer'."

Nope. Only regions that has embassies with Nazi regions are added to the Nazi collaborators list automatically.
Any other region is only added if there is strong evidence for them collaborating with Nazi regions upon which the 24 signatory regions votes on whether to add them or not.

[LollerLand]

It's not possible to respond too strongly to Nazi sympathizers. Anyone who proliferates Nazi-associated imagery is normalizing Nazism. Anyone who is unwilling to dissolve ties with Nazis is a Nazi apologist. Honestly, CAIN seems pretty measured and diplomatic, which I don't think is even necessary when it comes to condemning Nazis. This resolution is basically seeking to reprimand anti-fascists for being anti-fascists. Or for not being polite enough to Nazis, lmao.

Well said

[Eulanai]

We seriously need to get this to pass. Stopping them will bring great strength to the Pacific! We should try to lobby to get this passed, if we haven't already

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

We seriously need to get this to pass. Stopping them will bring great strength to the Pacific! We should try to lobby to get this passed, if we haven't already

WTF? You haven't got a clue what this is about have you?

[LollerLand]

We seriously need to get this to pass. Stopping them will bring great strength to the Pacific! We should try to lobby to get this passed, if we haven't already

Wat?

[Viscondy]

We seriously need to get this to pass. Stopping them will bring great strength to the Pacific! We should try to lobby to get this passed, if we haven't already

Apparently the Pacific is a nazi region now?

[Northern Brotherhood of Steel]

So from what i can tell, CAIN is basically antifa, willing to invade anyone that they suspect of being "fascists" because y'know, fascists are all evil.
Let me tell you something, Nazism is Fascism but Fascism is not Nazism.

The funniest part of this is that CAIN is allied with the Red Sea, a communist nation. Communism being far worse than any fascist nation in history. you can take every crime committed by every Fascist country that has ever existed and Quadruple it and it still wouldn't be anywhere as bad as communist nations, at least Fascist nations know how to feed their people.
In the book "Europe A History" (recommended read) an actual historian by the name of Norman Davies gives a figure of the number of people killed under Joseph Stalin's rule, 50 million people lost their lives between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.
Official Communist party Records in China tell of 45 million people killed in China in 4 years in Mao Zedong's "Great leap forwards"
Communism is known for its mass killings and forced labor camps for political dissidents, Communism is known for it's Ethnic cleansing on massive scales, Communism is known for its unbearable living conditions.

"Justice" isn't trying to destroy any and all nations with a hint of fascism.
"Justice" is not hiding behind Communism and calling everyone you don't like a fascist.


But what am i saying.... we all know that that wasn't Real Communism.

[-Mr Money-]

So from what i can tell, CAIN is basically antifa, willing to invade anyone that they suspect of being "fascists" because y'know, fascists are all evil.
Let me tell you something, Nazism is Fascism but Fascism is not Nazism.

The funniest part of this is that CAIN is allied with the Red Sea, a communist nation. Communism being far worse than any fascist nation in history. you can take every crime committed by every Fascist country that has ever existed and Quadruple it and it still wouldn't be anywhere as bad as communist nations, at least Fascist nations know how to feed their people.
In the book "Europe A History" (recommended read) an actual historian by the name of Norman Davies gives a figure of the number of people killed under Joseph Stalin's rule, 50 million people lost their lives between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.
Official Communist party Records in China tell of 45 million people killed in China in 4 years in Mao Zedong's "Great leap forwards"
Communism is known for its mass killings and forced labor camps for political dissidents, Communism is known for it's Ethnic cleansing on massive scales, Communism is known for its unbearable living conditions.

"Justice" isn't trying to destroy any and all nations with a hint of fascism.
"Justice" is not hiding behind Communism and calling everyone you don't like a fascist.


But what am i saying.... we all know that that wasn't Real Communism.

[Brunhizzle]

Pretty sure it's against Nazism, given who and why we've labeled regions as Nazis, but hey if you want to make the same boring and repetitive points when they have no meaning then go for it.

[Northern Brotherhood of Steel]

using some investigative skills I've managed to trace CAIN all the way back to the The Red Fleet and The Internationale

https://theredand.black/cain-nazis

I think it's pretty clear that this website shows how CAIN is controlled by their ANTIFA puppet masters.

[-Mr Money-]

using some investigative skills I've managed to trace CAIN all the way back to the The Red Fleet and The Internationale

https://theredand.black/cain-nazis

I think it's pretty clear that this website shows how CAIN is controlled by their ANTIFA puppet masters.

I say! The Marxists were behind it after all! I would never have guessed!

[Northern Brotherhood of Steel]

using some investigative skills I've managed to trace CAIN all the way back to the The Red Fleet and The Internationale

https://theredand.black/cain-nazis

I think it's pretty clear that this website shows how CAIN is controlled by their ANTIFA puppet masters.

I say! The Marxists were behind it after all! I would never have guessed!

I know right?

[-Mr Money-]

*Looks at blacklist and bursts out with laughter*

Oh great! Now I'm apparently a Nazi collaborator! I don't believe it! When have I ever endorsed National Socialism? I have an Embassy with KAISERREICH, that instantly makes me a Nazi collaborator apparently!