[DEFEATED] Condemn The CAIN

[Brunhizzle]

LOL

That list was made by a signatory of CAIN with technical expertise as a resource. It lists the embassies of all Nazi Regions with more than two nations. The only thing it is "evidence" of is that Misley can code and was willing to make an automated list.

The only thing that sharing this "evidence" makes clear is that you don't know what you're talking about or that you don't actually know how to read.

[Northern Brotherhood of Steel]

*Looks at blacklist and bursts out with laughter*

Oh great! Now I'm apparently a Nazi collaborator! I don't believe it! When have I ever endorsed National Socialism? I have an Embassy with KAISERREICH, that instantly makes me a Nazi collaborator apparently!

don't forget that gommies hate capitalists too, they're almost as bad as fascists anyway

[Northern Brotherhood of Steel]

LOL

That list was made by a signatory of CAIN with technical expertise as a resource. It lists the embassies of all Nazi Regions with more than two nations. The only thing it is "evidence" of is that Misley can code and was willing to make an automated list.

The only thing that sharing this "evidence" makes clear is that you don't know what you're talking about or that you don't actually know how to read.

so you're fine with an ANTIFA region being associated with CAIN, that says enough on its own

[Brunhizzle]

so you're fine with an ANTIFA region being associated with CAIN, that says enough on its own

All it says it that The Internationale and The Red Fleet dislike Nazis. What a shocker that the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism would work with a non-racist region to fight racists. Great detective work.

[Arcturus Novus]

LOL

That list was made by a signatory of CAIN with technical expertise as a resource. It lists the embassies of all Nazi Regions with more than two nations. The only thing it is "evidence" of is that Misley can code and was willing to make an automated list.

The only thing that sharing this "evidence" makes clear is that you don't know what you're talking about or that you don't actually know how to read.

so you're fine with an ANTIFA region being associated with CAIN, that says enough on its own

Is it truly that shocking that we would align ourselves with antifascist groups to fight fascist extremists?

[Northern Brotherhood of Steel]

so you're fine with an ANTIFA region being associated with CAIN, that says enough on its own

All it says it that The Internationale and The Red Fleet dislike Nazis. What a shocker that the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism would work with a non-racist region to fight racists. Great detective work.

so they may not be racists but i'd say someone who wants to see society as we know it destroyed and replaced with a system that has never worked and could never work is far worse.
Antifa themselves are extremists who bash innocent protesters for using their right to freedom of speech.

[-Mr Money-]

so you're fine with an ANTIFA region being associated with CAIN, that says enough on its own

All it says it that The Internationale and The Red Fleet dislike Nazis. What a shocker that the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism would work with a non-racist region to fight racists. Great detective work.

I must warn you, you are keeping some very distasteful company. The Red Fleet are Raiders, The Internationale is a deeply Marxist Region intent on suppressing individual thought. I'd be careful who CAIN allies itself with if it is to remain a credible force for good.

[Brunhizzle]

so they may not be racists but i'd say someone who wants to see society as we know it destroyed and replaced with a system that has never worked and could never work is far worse.

Eye roll.

[Northern Brotherhood of Steel]

If someone aligns themselves with people who have radical extremist stances under the banner of peace it doesn't look good for anyone involved, i'd recommend cutting ties with the Red Fleet and TI because both of these groups of people make you guys look like a bunch of left wing thugs.

“Be wary of the company you keep for they are a reflection of who you are, or who you want to be...”

[LollerLand]

The Red Fleet are Raiders

So?

The Internationale is a deeply Marxist Region intent on suppressing individual thought.

Marxism doesn't promote racism, sexism or any other type of bigotry associated with Nazism.

[-Mr Money-]

The Red Fleet are Raiders

So?

The Internationale is a deeply Marxist Region intent on suppressing individual thought.

Marxism doesn't promote racism, sexism or any other type of bigotry associated with Nazism.

*facepalm*

[LollerLand]

So?

Marxism doesn't promote racism, sexism or any other type of bigotry associated with Nazism.

*facepalm*

So you are saying Marxism does promote all that? If you are please provide proof to support your claim..
And this would be the last I will be posting on Marxism since I don't to get warned for threadjacking..

[Altmoras]

"Condemn The CAIN" was defeated 13,780 votes to 3,594.

[-Mr Money-]

"Condemn The CAIN" was defeated 13,780 votes to 3,594.

Alas, a margin of defeat probably unsurpassable. I should imagine this will be back with a vengeance.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"Only problem is that there definition of 'Nazi Sympathizers' is so weak that any Region could be a 'Nazi Sympathizer'."

Nope. Only regions that has embassies with Nazi regions are added to the Nazi collaborators list automatically.
Any other region is only added if there is strong evidence for them collaborating with Nazi regions upon which the 24 signatory regions votes on whether to add them or not.

"I have made my arguments here already."

[Stoltgard]

The most funny thing about CAIN and other "tolerant" group of people is how intolerant they are:
"You're racist? FUCK YOU"
"You believe women should stay in the kitchen? YOU SHOULD DIE"

If you want to be tolerant and really promote freedom of speech (something fascism is against as CAIN members constantly repeat) you should tolerate intolerant people... If a racist is not doing harm to others... Let him hate in peace. If a female can think that "all men should die" and is tolerated why can't a man think the same and be tolerated?

CAIN has shown time and time again how intolerant and aggressive they are.
The NSIA had historical value. Did anyone ever receive nazi propaganda from the NSIA? Or did CAIN just judge them as promoting nazism based on the factbook?

"He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone..."
By being intolerant towards the intolerant, you in my book are worse than them...

You shouldn't change people's beliefs by force, make them tolerant with your fists and screams as the left seem to think...
You should change it with your actions and teachings. But CAIN is so intolerant and aggressive that it's become an inquisitorial entity.

[Stoltgard]

*facepalm*

So you are saying Marxism does promote all that? If you are please provide proof to support your claim..
And this would be the last I will be posting on Marxism since I don't to get warned for threadjacking..

And yet...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_kill ... s_killings

[Northern Alwaincefalland]

The most funny thing about CAIN and other "tolerant" group of people is how intolerant they are:
"You're racist? FUCK YOU"
"You believe women should stay in the kitchen? YOU SHOULD DIE"

If you want to be tolerant and really promote freedom of speech (something fascism is against as CAIN members constantly repeat) you should tolerate intolerant people... If a racist is not doing harm to others... Let him hate in peace. If a female can think that "all men should die" and is tolerated why can't a man think the same and be tolerated?

"Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant"

"He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone..."
By being intolerant towards the intolerant, you in my book are worse than them...

I guess that makes the Allies that fought the nazis in WW2 absolutely HORRIBLE in your eyes. They should have just convinced them not to be fascists with nice words

[Bears Armed]

I guess that makes the Allies that fought the nazis in WW2 absolutely HORRIBLE in your eyes. They should have just convinced them not to be fascists with nice words

Oh, well, if you're going to bring RL WW2 into it, do you acknowledge that by CAIN's definitions the USSR's Stalin-led government would have counted as a 'NAZI sympathizer' regime at one stage?

[-Mr Money-]

I guess that makes the Allies that fought the nazis in WW2 absolutely HORRIBLE in your eyes. They should have just convinced them not to be fascists with nice words

The Nazis of NationStates are not forging a real life Liebensraum with armies like in WWII and actively suppressing other people through force, they're doing what everyone else on the internet is doing, namely having an opinion. There's a very big difference between people online saying s**t and the Third Reich armies of the Second Wolrd War.

[Stoltgard]

The most funny thing about CAIN and other "tolerant" group of people is how intolerant they are:
"You're racist? FUCK YOU"
"You believe women should stay in the kitchen? YOU SHOULD DIE"

If you want to be tolerant and really promote freedom of speech (something fascism is against as CAIN members constantly repeat) you should tolerate intolerant people... If a racist is not doing harm to others... Let him hate in peace. If a female can think that "all men should die" and is tolerated why can't a man think the same and be tolerated?

"Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant"

"He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone..."
By being intolerant towards the intolerant, you in my book are worse than them...

I guess that makes the Allies that fought the nazis in WW2 absolutely HORRIBLE in your eyes. They should have just convinced them not to be fascists with nice words

Well... Kinda. EVERYONE in the war was fucked up.
And yes... They should have fought with words. Diplomacy is a thing did you know?
Did you know Hitler asked for peace negotiations A LOT OF TIMES and was rejected?

Edit: BTW, i know how to use google too:
"While an intolerant sect does not itself have title to complain of intolerance, its freedom should be restricted only when the tolerant sincerely and with reason believe that their own security and that of the institutions of liberty are in danger." John Rawls

Who is threatening your security and liberty in the internet?

EDIT 2: Also, didn't your mom ever teach you to respect other people way of thinking and rights even if you disagree with them? No one ever told you your rights end where other people's rights begin?
How isn't CAIN a group of bigots and extremists when they can't stand anyone that thinks differently? How are they not bigots when they attack people that THEY labeled based SOLELY on that label?

[Northern Alwaincefalland]

"Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant"
I guess that makes the Allies that fought the nazis in WW2 absolutely HORRIBLE in your eyes. They should have just convinced them not to be fascists with nice words

Well... Kinda. EVERYONE in the war was fucked up.
And yes... They should have fought with words. Diplomacy is a thing did you know?
Did you know Hitler asked for peace negotiations A LOT OF TIMES and was rejected?
?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/franklin-roosevelt-appeals-to-hitler-for-peace Uh huh. Yeah.

I quoted Karl Hopper.

My parents are African Americans who grew up in the south during the civil rights movement, and they'd rather I knock out a white supremacist than 'respecting' their illegitimate opinion, though I prefer annoying them on the internet

A different opinion is " I don't like black coffee" or "I prefer bicycles to cars." An illegitimate opinion is "I believe white people are superior to black people" or "all the other races don't deserve to exist." And I sure as hell not going to "respect" those opinions.

[Aclion]

The Red Fleet are Raiders

So?

The Internationale is a deeply Marxist Region intent on suppressing individual thought.

Marxism doesn't promote racism, sexism or any other type of bigotry associated with Nazism.

You realize Hitler plagiarized from Marx's A World Without Jews right? Go read it. And while your at it, got read The Poverty Of Philosophy

[Wallenburg]

"Condemn The CAIN" was defeated 13,780 votes to 3,594.

And good riddance.