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by Tretrid » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:28 pm
by SeattleNinja008 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:58 pm
by Northern Alwaincefalland » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:05 pm
SeattleNinja008 wrote: No one will take you seriously, and in the case of KAISERREICH, no one has.
by SeattleNinja008 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:13 pm
by Tretrid » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:15 pm
SeattleNinja008 wrote:
Just look at the factbooks. The one you claim to have Nazi imagery contains nothing of the sort. You also decided that they were Nazi, based on cherry-picked data from 3 people, some of it arguably poor evidence, instead of regional policy, which should be where you are looking. How do three people determine now an entire region thinks? Answer: They don't.
And let me bring up the smearing of embassy regions again. This is very reckless behavior and should stop being a practice of CAIN. Going around and THREATENING regions that their reputations will be SMEARED is BLACKMAIL. No one will take you seriously, and in the case of KAISERREICH, no one has.
The thing that really shocks me is that you don't take my friend seriously because he resides in KAISERREICH. You have gone so far as to even smear my friends credibility on the sole fact he resides there. Nothing else. If anything he should be more credible as he knows the region unlike the leaders of CAIN, who completely misidentified pre-Nazi imagery as Nazi imagery. He is condemning CAIN for their ignorance, stubbornness, and recklessness.
by SeattleNinja008 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:02 pm
Tretrid wrote:SeattleNinja008 wrote:Just look at the factbooks. The one you claim to have Nazi imagery contains nothing of the sort. You also decided that they were Nazi, based on cherry-picked data from 3 people, some of it arguably poor evidence, instead of regional policy, which should be where you are looking. How do three people determine now an entire region thinks? Answer: They don't.
And let me bring up the smearing of embassy regions again. This is very reckless behavior and should stop being a practice of CAIN. Going around and THREATENING regions that their reputations will be SMEARED is BLACKMAIL. No one will take you seriously, and in the case of KAISERREICH, no one has.
The thing that really shocks me is that you don't take my friend seriously because he resides in KAISERREICH. You have gone so far as to even smear my friends credibility on the sole fact he resides there. Nothing else. If anything he should be more credible as he knows the region unlike the leaders of CAIN, who completely misidentified pre-Nazi imagery as Nazi imagery. He is condemning CAIN for their ignorance, stubbornness, and recklessness.
OOC: The WA has a tradition of defenestration.
"I was merely questioning the credibility of the author. I was not 'smearing him'. And I did not decide who was Nazi, or who was a collaborator. Just because I support CAIN doesn't mean that I help select who is Nazi or not. You have no proof of that. When it comes to an embassy, there are votes on whether to remove nations from the Collaborator List."
by Tretrid » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:09 pm
by Tekeristan » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:35 pm
Tretrid wrote:"Regional embassies signal that formal diplomatic relations exist between regions."
The above statement was copy-pasted from a region's admin page.
It can be said that with establishing diplomatic relationships, one can help further the agenda of Nazism.
by Portugal and Brazil and Algarves » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:29 am
by LollerLand » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:04 am
Portugal and Brazil and Algarves wrote:I have voted for this resolution simply on the basis of personal experience with CAIN. My region, Nova Historiae, is an alternate history RP region that has very little, if anything, to do with what goes on in the wider NS world. We don't participate in raiding or defending and participate very little if any on this forum. We espouse no ideologies but do accept individual nations and allow them to spew whatever garbage they wish because, once again, we are alt history. Because we have very little to do with matters here we generally accept any embassy invite as long as it doesn't seem the region is in danger of disappearing tomorrow, in other words they have collected at least ten nations, and they have nothing offensive on their NS page. When I first became delegate of the region we received an invite from Kaiserreich which I approved. The region had a suitable number of members and the NS page looked like they were centered around WWI Germany, fine. Flash forward a bit and suddenly another region we have an embassy with, who is a CAIN member, is contacting me telling me that we have somehow become Nazi Sympathizers because we have an embassy with Kaiserreich.
by -Mr Money- » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:41 am
SeattleNinja008 wrote:Tretrid wrote:"That is not my reasons for voting against. I support CAIN fully. I was just telling you that this has a very low chance of passing. Also, the author of this proposal is written by a nation who is in a region CAIN considers Nazi."
CAIN has so far been unable to provide any real evidence that KAISERREICH is even Nazi. Their evidence, as of now, is factbooks that are for role play and contain no Nazi imagery, contrary to their claim. This is also about how they profile other regions who are embassies with KAISERREICH as "Nazi Collaborators, even though at least one of them is run by Jews. While they have good intentions, in practice they are evil and go around smearing regions reputations. You are lucky there is no defamation court in NS, they would have a field day.
by Tretrid » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:17 am
Tekeristan wrote:Tretrid wrote:"Regional embassies signal that formal diplomatic relations exist between regions."
The above statement was copy-pasted from a region's admin page.
It can be said that with establishing diplomatic relationships, one can help further the agenda of Nazism.
"Established diplomacy, in this case embassies, does not always resemble friendly relations, they can be neutral, and even enemies maintain communication.. They can also be sites of negotiation, communication, or even safe places for refugees to flee to. It ensures a flow of information, no matter how large or small."
"To name an entire region, fitted with many different states, so called 'Nazi Collaborators' is simply preposterous! Stopping the spread of hateful ideology is not done by attacking more people, by labeling them and ignoring the problems, it is done through the spread of ideas and wisdom!"
"Our nation gladly stands by our ideals of free speech to the individual, let alone entire states! The way we see it, from the reported acts of CAIN, that CAIN actively censors diplomatic efforts, thus information, no matter their intent or purpose. We understand the need to rally against hateful ideology, but by marking entire regions of 'sympathizers' only goes to create more potential allies for these hateful ideologies."
by SYG » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:28 am
From the Osiris Fraternal Order
And the office of the Sub-Vizier of World Assembly AffairsAs Ra makes his way across the heavily sky, and the cycle of the universe continues, the people of Osiris and its prosperity of the Nile, after consulting with the community, and the gods Seshat and Ma’at, have determined to vote AGAINST the current resolution. The Pharaoh will vote according to the people, and according to Ma’at. His actions are necessary in maintaining the balance between order and chaos, truth and darkness, and Osiris will follow the Pharaoh’s direction. The government of the Osiris Fraternal Order will consider no proposal without the text meeting the requirements of Ma’at. We will continue to uphold our moral responsibilities to the people, maintaining and voting in favor of any proposals that will forward the truth and honor that is expected of all who call Osiris home. Cosmic harmony is only obtainable through expressing the will of Ma’at and the will of the Pharaoh. Although we have derived at this decision, the author of the proposal is welcome to present a case that would enlighten the Pharaoh and the community to the purpose of the proposal and perhaps change the will of the gods, the Pharaoh, and the community. If this interests you, please visit our kingdom and speak your knowledge there. All information is important, and will be presented to Seshat, the goddess of wisdom, knowledge, and writing to help direct the Pharaoh to make the right decision for the people of the fraternal order. If you have any questions about Osiris in the World Assembly, please direct them to the office of the Vizier of World Assembly Affairs by sending Syg a telegram. For more general questions regarding Osiris, please direct them to the Pharaoh, Neo Kervoskia. Thank you fellow ambassadors, and author of the current proposal at vote, for your time. Osiris, her people, and the office of the Sub-Vizier greatly appreciate your time and patience.
Best Regards,
Syg, Vizier of World Assembly Affairs
by LollerLand » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:27 am
ChicagoBoys wrote:CAIN is racist
by Northern Alwaincefalland » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:37 am
ChicagoBoys wrote:CAIN is racist
by Svarttjern » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:44 am
by Independent waifus » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:47 am
by USS Monitor » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:26 pm
Svarttjern wrote:
Unfortunately though since the majority of this game is Follow the Leader and the Left really doesn't have two brain cells to rub together, their shenanigans are going to continue until they inevitably fracture from internal scrabbling.
by We Are Not the NSA » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:49 pm
Neo Danzig wrote:The World Assembly,
Believing that the so-called "Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism" (CAIN) doesn't speak for all regions and nations;
Aware that CAIN has taken it upon themselves to eradicate all regions they wish to label as "Nazi regions" or "Nazi collaborators";
Concerned that CAIN has labeled KAISERREICH as a Nazi region based solely on remarks jokingly made by their founder and emperor, which they rescinded and have since shown remorse for, and the imagery used by one nation in their dispatches, ignoring that it predates the ideology of Nazism;
Disturbed that CAIN labels all regions with embassies to so-called "Nazi regions" as "Nazi collaborators", thereby smearing the reputations of more than 100 innocent regions, including those led by Jews and those of Jewish descent;
Denouncing such reckless behavior as counterproductive to the anti-Nazi cause;
Hereby Condemns The CAIN.
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by Svarttjern » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:45 pm
by Northern Alwaincefalland » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:16 pm
by Wallenburg » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:59 pm
OSRS wrote:Trolling/Baiting/Gloating: Trolling is defined as posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). Someone disagreeing with you does not equate to trolling. Intent is incredibly important and will be judged by the moderators to the best of their abilities. Honest belief does not excuse trolling. Disagreements are expected and conducting yourself in a civil manner is ideal. Trollbaiting is the action of making posts that attract trolls. A prime example of trollbaiting would be gloating over the results of an election.
by Vandario » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:19 pm
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