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by Wallenburg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:20 pm
by Attempted Socialism » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:05 pm
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by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:20 pm
by Aclion » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:49 pm
"You might consider that had you and other like-minded nations not used the exemption to engage in economic warfare against other nations there might never have arisen a need for this replacement."Attempted Socialism wrote:-snip-
Imperium Anglorum wrote:A smashing hit, Auralia.
by Lord Dominator » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:00 pm
by States of Glory WA Office » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:10 pm
Wallenburg wrote:I think it is rather evident that I am voting against this.
Aclion wrote:The Aclion delegation will be voting for. Allowing nations to opt out of respecting patents allows unscrupulous nations to make an industry of undercutting inventors in the global market, undermining the entire patent system."
by Tinfect » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:28 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:OOC: The nation that I have in the WA has voted against, mostly on the basis that Tinfect's arguments on the 2nd page have convinced me more than anyone else's.
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by The Atlae Isles » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:31 pm
by Attempted Socialism » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:03 am
"If that is your concern, then it will be easy to change your vote, Ambassador. The Solidarity Movement, and likeminded nations, have not used the exemption to engage in economic warfare, it's as simple as that. For us, we have allowed any nation to take advantage of the technology we have developed, and merely only required compensation if foreigners needed education here, or if Socialists are required to travel abroad to assist with setting up systems. By allowing free use of the results of our research and development, which with our education budget of nearly 50 trillion is substantial, we have given gifts to capitalists as well as our brothers and sisters worldwide."
OCC: Not to mention any proposal that motivates the left wing to leave the WA is a success in my book.
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by Bears Armed » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:52 am
Ravilene wrote:Yes, there are a few loopholes in the Foreign Patent act, and I do think it should be changed, however, it still does more good than harm, and in my opinion, should not be completely repealed.
by Excidium Planetis » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:47 am
Tinfect wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:OOC: The nation that I have in the WA has voted against, mostly on the basis that Tinfect's arguments on the 2nd page have convinced me more than anyone else's.
OOC:
Well, at least someone actually read them, instead of peddling garbage memes like it's an argument, Actively ignoring argumention to try and 'gotcha' the opposition, and outright ignoring it, like our author here.
Moving on, needless to say, I'll be voting against this drivel.
Wallenburg wrote:IC: Ogenbond frowns at the disembodied voice looking around the room for a source. "Really? That's the best you can come up with? 'It only bans communism, so it isn't really an ideological ban'? I'm rather confident that won't hold up before the Secretariat."
Auralia wrote:I never said that establishing a mandatory international patent system (like the one envisioned by the linked proposal) would "ban communism", as it obviously would not. Member states would remain free to maintain collective ownership of property, including the patent rights granted to domestic inventors granted by the proposal.
They would simply have to recognize the ownership of patents by foreign investors, which is a relatively small category of property. Such a mandate cannot possibly be construed as a ban of communism.
Moreover, the ideological ban rule states:Proposals cannot wholly outlaw, whether through direct or indirect language, religious, political or economic ideologies. However, proposals can target specific practices, such as slavery.
Note how the rule makes clear exceptions for "specific practices" related to a particular ideology. Patents certainly qualify for this exception if slavery does.
Tinfect wrote:"Certainly not, Ambassador. Collectivization is as core to Communist ideals as a Fusion-Reactor is the a Triarius Battleship;
Western Evilly wrote:Except collectivization was rarely practiced in communist states. I think you are conflating communism with utopia.
Tinfect wrote:"And which States would thouse be, Ambassador? Our predecessor in the Union certainly practiced such with several industries, and I am certain that a number of Member-States have taken similar or greater measures. I believe you are conflating handful of failed states with an ideology."
Ravilene wrote:Yes, there are a few loopholes in the Foreign Patent act, and I do think it should be changed, however, it still does more good than harm, and in my opinion, should not be completely repealed.
Attempted Socialism wrote:OCC: Not to mention any proposal that motivates the left wing to leave the WA is a success in my book.
OOC: I know you're not the one with a proposal replacement drafted, but can people just get over it and acknowledge that enforcing private property over the means of production is an ideology ban on nations that don't have or recognise such private property?
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by Tinfect » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:36 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:Woah, woah, woah. I wasn't ignoring it. The argument Wallenburg made that you were defending was that universal patent systems were an ideological ban on communism. I was pointing out that Communists states have indeed historically made use of patents, so that can't be the case.
Excidium Planetis wrote:You and Wallenburg were arguing that because collectivization is a central tenet of Communism, patents were an ideological ban. I responded by pointing out real world Communist nations that utilized patent systems.
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by Ghostopolis » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:57 pm
by WA Projection Agency » Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:53 am
by Auralia » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:01 am
WA Projection Agency wrote:Resolution #393 of the General Assembly, a.k.a Repeal "Foreign Patent Act" will Pass, the Agency Projects.
by Chameliya » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:05 am
WA Projection Agency wrote:Resolution #393 of the General Assembly, a.k.a Repeal "Foreign Patent Act" will Pass, the Agency Projects.
by Nilla Wayfarers » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:41 am
WA Projection Agency wrote:Resolution #393 of the General Assembly, a.k.a Repeal "Foreign Patent Act" will Pass, the Agency Projects.
The Greatest GA Resolution Author Ever wrote:Due to more of the Econmy using computers instead of Paper The Manufactoring for paper prducts shpuld decrease because were wasting rescources on paper ad more paper is being thrown in the trash
by Wallenburg » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:04 pm
WA Projection Agency wrote:Resolution #393 of the General Assembly, a.k.a Repeal "Foreign Patent Act" will Pass, the Agency Projects.
by United City States of Oceania » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:49 pm
WA Projection Agency wrote:Resolution #393 of the General Assembly, a.k.a Repeal "Foreign Patent Act" will Pass, the Agency Projects.
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by States of Glory WA Office » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:12 pm
WA Projection Agency wrote:Resolution #393 of the General Assembly, a.k.a Repeal "Foreign Patent Act" will Pass, the Agency Projects.
by Overthinkers » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:18 am
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but tiny living space
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by Excidium Planetis » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:28 pm
Tinfect wrote:We've been over this several times. The Soviet Union was not a Socialist or Communist state, it is not in any way representative of the Socialist and Communist Ideologies.
Your refusal to recognize that an ideology which explicitly seeks the elimination of property would be made effectively invalid by a resolution that mandates the recognition of property does not an argument make.
There are not, nor have there ever been, any Communist nations. Maybe Socialist, if you're a bit liberal with your definitions, but the NEP is widely considered to be the point at which the Soviet Union wholly betrayed Socialist principles. Please stop pretending that an authoritarian State-Capitalist clusterfuck whose legitimacy is wholly rejected by the vast majority of Socialists and Communists is representative of Socialist and Communist Ideology.
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