[DEFEATED] Liberate Singapore

[Mount Seymour]

How long do you suggest we hold this in draft before submitting it? It's good to have input, but at the same time, I don't want the puppet one to get approved first.

Based off of the rate at which the other proposal is gaining approvals, not very.

I think I'll submit it in two hours or so, if that seems about right.

[Mount Seymour]

Ok, time to submit it. I know this is a bit earlier than I planned, but the other one is gaining approvals too fast.

EDIT: It has now been submitted. Rufford will change the topic title in the morning to "Submitted".

[Libetarian Republics]

Do the natives explicitly approve this liberation?

[Bathor]

Hi all, Just want to say that your proposal has my fullest support and I am sincerely thankful for the support you guys have shown us through our darkest hour.

Bathor
Former Singaporean WA Delegate

[The Noble Thatcherites]

A nation that's been inactive for nine days suddenly comes back to life to pen a literate and legal liberation, with no prior history of having written any submission to either

Rufford build a great team on a seperate chat, and we reviewed and edited the post. Although this was his first proposal, he made sure it was very good.

[Zheng Yi Sao]

As a native nation of Singapore, I too support this proposal.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Ok, time to submit it. I know this is a bit earlier than I planned, but the other one is gaining approvals too fast.

EDIT: It has now been submitted. Rufford will change the topic title in the morning to "Submitted".

And you got to quorum first.

[Rufford]

Ok, time to submit it. I know this is a bit earlier than I planned, but the other one is gaining approvals too fast.

EDIT: It has now been submitted. Rufford will change the topic title in the morning to "Submitted".

And you got to quorum first.

Ours is obviously superior to the other one, I'd say that's more likely to be a raider selfie, it didn't go through the forums either.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

And you got to quorum first.

Ours is obviously superior to the other one, I'd say that's more likely to be a raider selfie, it didn't go through the forums either.

Yes.

Although the other one has now reached quorum, yours will go to vote first - just in case you were wondering if the other being submitted first had any bearing on that.

[Rufford]

Ours is obviously superior to the other one, I'd say that's more likely to be a raider selfie, it didn't go through the forums either.

Yes.

Although the other one has now reached quorum, yours will go to vote first - just in case you were wondering if the other being submitted first had any bearing on that.

Yeah I assumed that whichever one reaches quorum first goes first.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Unfortunately I may have got that wrong.

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[Mount Seymour]

Unfortunately I may have got that wrong.

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Noooooo!

So the other one will go first?
Now we have to make sure the other one is defeated...

Though much as I don't want to see another selfie go through the SC, if people still voted for it, it would still liberate, and 3 days before ours could...

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Could always try telegramming those Delegates that have approved the other proposal and ask them to remove their approval, drop it back below quorum.

Make the point that the other is a The Invaders selfie and that by approving that proposal they're helping to advertise the raiders they're trying to beat.

Still enough time before the present vote ends.

[Mount Seymour]

Could always try telegramming those Delegates that have approved the other proposal and ask them to remove their approval, drop it back below quorum.

Mmm, I could do that, 'cept I've already done a big campaign tg to the delegates. Would it be considered spam if I did another?

[Mount Seymour]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... dvertising

Requests for proposal approval may be telegrammed to WA delegates, but must be tagged appropriately. More than one request per proposal may be considered spam.

Does this mean that you can only send one campaign TG per proposal in total or just one campaign telegram per proposal asking people to do one thing (e.g. send one to delegates to approve, one to all WAs to vote for)?

In my case it would be one asking the delegates to approve, one asking specific people to unapprove the other liberation proposal.

[Sedgistan]

Could always try telegramming those Delegates that have approved the other proposal and ask them to remove their approval, drop it back below quorum.

Mmm, I could do that, 'cept I've already done a big campaign tg to the delegates. Would it be considered spam if I did another?

Nope, though it would've been better to combine both requests into one telegram.

[Mount Seymour]

Mmm, I could do that, 'cept I've already done a big campaign tg to the delegates. Would it be considered spam if I did another?

Nope, though it would've been better to combine both requests into one telegram.

Thanks!

[Crystalsummer]

As founder of a region,I can appreciate the tradition and history this region has! I support this proposal!

[The Animal World]

The selfie liberation is now at vote.

[Weed]

This is why it is important not to draft Liberations if you care about the wording of the proposal. If you don't care about the wording, this is a good way to save stamps and let them do it for you.

While the wording of the resolution at vote may not be what you'd like, it is quite likely this will still assure the same end result: natives back in control of Singapore.

[Rufford]

This is why it is important not to draft Liberations if you care about the wording of the proposal. If you don't care about the wording, this is a good way to save stamps and let them do it for you.

While the wording of the resolution at vote may not be what you'd like, it is quite likely this will still assure the same end result: natives back in control of Singapore.

It looks very bad though, it's what The Invaders want, if anything the fact they can pass a liberation against themselves is a show of strength for them. We need an actual resolution written by defenders that has been through the forums and has native support to liberate Singapore.

[Weed]

This is why it is important not to draft Liberations if you care about the wording of the proposal. If you don't care about the wording, this is a good way to save stamps and let them do it for you.

While the wording of the resolution at vote may not be what you'd like, it is quite likely this will still assure the same end result: natives back in control of Singapore.

It looks very bad though, it's what The Invaders want, if anything the fact they can pass a liberation against themselves is a show of strength for them. We need an actual resolution written by defenders that has been through the forums and has native support to liberate Singapore.

This proposal will be deleted for duplication most likely, assuming the current vote passes. If a Liberation is "written on the forums" they will see it coming and submit theirs before you can submit yours. Always. This situation is now done and it is too late, but I am saying for future regions: If you want to draft, do it in private, or accept that your version will not be the one that ultimately passes.

Make no mistake, this doesn't show strength, it shows an amazing commitment to maximizing their annoyance. That's a good short-term strategy what will build the same type of culture and lead to the same result as it did for the last two regions to attempt it.

You (the natives) are no less certain to regain your region with their proposal as this one. Strength would be being able to defeat Liberations. The Invaders clearly don't think that is ever possible, so they do this to try to get something small out of what is otherwise a problem for them.

[Sedgistan]

Just a note that if the currently at vote "Liberate Singapore" (by Dund3e) passes, which it looks set to do, this one will be removed as it'd be a Rule 2(b) violation (duplication). There's no warning attached with that, as it's just a case of a competing proposal getting to vote first.

The removal will be done shortly before the current one passes.

[Weed]

Just a note that if the currently at vote "Liberate Singapore" (by Dund3e) passes, which it looks set to do, this one will be removed as it'd be a Rule 2(b) violation (duplication). There's no warning attached with that, as it's just a case of a competing proposal getting to vote first.

The removal will be done shortly before the current one passes.

A ball appears to have been dropped here.

[Adevia-Ardvilla]

Just a note that if the currently at vote "Liberate Singapore" (by Dund3e) passes, which it looks set to do, this one will be removed as it'd be a Rule 2(b) violation (duplication). There's no warning attached with that, as it's just a case of a competing proposal getting to vote first.

The removal will be done shortly before the current one passes.

Seems you either forgot to remove this or forgot to tell the other mods to remove it.