NationStates

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:32 am**

The Security Council,

Cognizant of the Nazi forces currently attempting to protect The NSIA in an effort to preserve The NSIA for the spread of Nazi beliefs and propaganda;

Acknowledging the establishment of border control measures by these occupiers that have made it impossible for new nations to enter;

Informed by the historical record that The NSIA, standing for "National Socialist Invasion Army," is an ancient Nazi region dating back to 2005 at the latest, whose World Factbook Entry called on the region's inhabitants to "SAVE THE WHITE RACE!!" and later stated its purpose as "the survival, expansion and advancement of the White Race through the promotion of National Socialism, White Nationalism, Pan-Aryanism and many other worthy ideologies";

Noting the existence of organizations that have gathered to combat Nazism across NationStates, including forces affiliated with Antifa and the Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism;

Taking into consideration the existence of disparate military forces from all corners of NationStates who are prepared to unite to combat Nazism by force;

Inspired by the unity shown by these organizations; and

Fully aware of the need to remove border control to allow these forces to have the opportunity to achieve their noble mission; hereby

Authorizes and hereby enforces the immediate Liberation of The NSIA.

Link to Proposal

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:44 pm**

Caelapes wrote:Fully aware of the need to remove border control to allow these forces to have the opportunity to achieve their noble mission; hereby

Authorizes the immediate Liberation of The NSIA.

R3 violation.

EDIT: Or maybe not.... https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolutions/council=2?start=194 had passed at some point. I'm not actually sure now. NSA, where are you?

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:54 pm**

Roavin wrote:
Caelapes wrote:Fully aware of the need to remove border control to allow these forces to have the opportunity to achieve their noble mission; hereby

Authorizes the immediate Liberation of The NSIA.

R3 violation.

Sorry, I had actually changed the operative clause to more clearly state that the Security Council is, indeed enforcing the Liberation of The NSIA and not simply authorizing such a Liberation. The submitted language is now represented in the original post.

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:44 pm**

"Liberating" a region from their protectors in order allow invaders to destroy it, is not our ideal description of a liberation.
Either condemn the NSIA for their hateful ideology, or wield the sword yourself. But please do not use this platform to legalize the executions of regions.

These are the words of
Generic Delegate

Posted: **Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:55 pm**

This proposal seems familiar:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=229806

Thanks for the free advertising.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:34 am**

I no longer know with you guys... is this a bad attempt at acrostics and spelling out CAINTIFA?

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:10 am**

Sedgistan wrote:I no longer know with you guys... is this a bad attempt at acrostics and spelling out CAINTIFA?

Considering the the acronym for the Coalition Against IforgetwhattheIwordis Nazis-orsomething is "CAIN," yes, I'd say it's safe to bet it's a mashup of "CAIN" and "ANTIFA."

EDIT: "Coalition Against the Ideology of Nazism"

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:09 am**

You're not hurting the person who created The URAP and The NSIA. He's dead. Confirmed. What's it feel like hounding a dead guy? If you can't tell the truth here, please let me know in your next secret CAIN session.

I've archived URAP and NSIA histories so what is dead may never die. I've saved the RMBs and so you can review all the funny shit that was posted by MT and GDP while Ubedarn was having surgery for one serious medical condition or another.

Please give NE a spotlight for a couple more weeks and liberate all our founderless holdings. After you're done, there'll still be 740+ Nazi Europa regions to go.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:38 am**

Sedgistan wrote:I no longer know with you guys... is this a bad attempt at acrostics and spelling out CAINTIFA?

I can't speak for the author on whether it was or wasn't intentional, but assuming your question is more than just curiosity, it shouldn't run afoul of the rule against silly acrostics given that it's as relevant to this proposal as spelling "RAIDER" was to the last one.

I fully support this proposal on behalf of Osiris, which I guess is obvious given that I campaigned for it. Nice job, Secretary-General Caelapes.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:12 am**

Cormactopia II wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:I no longer know with you guys... is this a bad attempt at acrostics and spelling out CAINTIFA?

I can't speak for the author on whether it was or wasn't intentional, but assuming your question is more than just curiosity, it shouldn't run afoul of the rule against silly acrostics given that it's as relevant to this proposal as spelling "RAIDER" was to the last one.

It was primarily curiosity - I was trying to work out what/if it stood for. I wasn't expecting it to be illegal.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:55 am**

Every good resolution has a hidden message inside it. There are the obvious ones like the acrostic first letters, but the best ones are the ones that take people until a bit after the resolution to figure out, but are obvious afterwards to those in the know. There are a few already passed, and a few more passed and repealed.

Regarding this actual resolution, I can't muster enough indignation to decide to vote either way yet. But it is a resolution proposed by the SG of the WA, so that's got a certain amount of prestige behind it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:10 am**

Caffeine Addicts wrote:"Liberating" a region from their protectors in order allow invaders to destroy it, is not our ideal description of a liberation.
Either condemn the NSIA for their hateful ideology, or wield the sword yourself. But please do not use this platform to legalize the executions of regions.

These are the words of
Generic Delegate

My guess is that the point of the lib is so anti-Nazis can go in and take over, then repeal this.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:57 am**

Roavin wrote:
Caelapes wrote:Fully aware of the need to remove border control to allow these forces to have the opportunity to achieve their noble mission; hereby

Authorizes the immediate Liberation of The NSIA.

R3 violation.

EDIT: Or maybe not.... https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_past_resolutions/council=2?start=194 had passed at some point. I'm not actually sure now. NSA, where are you?

For the record, I saw this yesterday, but was too busy to respond. Operative clauses do not have to be the cookie cutter "Hereby _______ %REGION%." When you follow that outline you guarantee it is R3 compliant (unless you target the wrong region or mess up a link), but you can deviate from it and still keep it legal. In the case of the first version that you quoted above, because "Liberation" is capitalized it should have been R3 compliant, as the SC would be authorizing the enactment of a Liberation affecting the NSIA. The actual version in the draft is legal as well.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:38 am**

I believe that all regions should have freedom to control entry.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:47 am**

Can anyone explain this resolution to me in simple terms?

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:49 am**

Malovin wrote:Can anyone explain this resolution to me in simple terms?

Liberations are proposals to remove the password on the region. In this liberation, I believe, the intended purpose is to get rid of the password so it can be invaded by anti-Nazi forces. I didn't write it, though, so that's just my best guess.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:57 am**

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Malovin wrote:Can anyone explain this resolution to me in simple terms?

Liberations are proposals to remove the password on the region. In this liberation, I believe, the intended purpose is to get rid of the password so it can be invaded by anti-Nazi forces. I didn't write it, though, so that's just my best guess.

Thanks. That's what was confusing about it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:08 am**

A cry of 'uncle!' on the horizon... another splendid use of the SC as a personal raiding tool, bravo!

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:20 am**

Captain Woodhouse wrote:Caelapes, aka Misley (DOS), frequently reaches out to the Gameplay community to take out our regions because the Left can't touch us by themselves. Caelapes has been a bigger threat to us because he doesn't shun outside support like La P did."

Thanks for the compliment.

It's quite an honor to be considered a "greater threat" to your side of this game than La Pasionaria.

The fact that Nazis have to move the goalposts so far from what any sensible region considers a victory is telling—as is their continued insistence that the game at large paying attention to them is what keeps them going. NE growing to 600 nations while the GP powers have ignored them shows the failure of that strategy. Time for a new one.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:28 am**

Allow nations to decide their own fates. While fascism is bad, it is not inherently evil. Don't give them credibility. Allow them to peter out on their own. Pay them no attention.

This reeks of an imperialism takeover.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:56 am**

NationStates even has an issue where letting the Nazis continue to do their thing gives you a civil rights boost. Issue 022 if anyone is interested.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:09 pm**

I really don't understand why this is a thing in the security council. I mean, liberating a nation to get rid of border control so that invaders can come in and possibly destroy the region? It's just dumb. We should all vote against this resolution and let everyone in the region continue on. It's not like they're doing anything terrible, they're just trying to defend themselves against invaders. (At least that's what Im getting from this situation. There were my two cents)

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:46 pm**

Gremlinsburg wrote:NationStates even has an issue where letting the Nazis continue to do their thing gives you a civil rights boost. Issue 022 if anyone is interested.

Thats because you are allowing the protest to go forth, hence allowing protests of all kinds (even nazi), hence increasing the civil rights of your citizens.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:13 pm**

NationStates issues that don't have anything to do with The NSIA would really be best discussed elsewhere, I'm sure.

Posted: **Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:24 pm**

I believe that this is a gross violation of regional rights slyly disguised as "The Right Thing To Do'
You have used the good will of the security council to forward your own goals.
I hope some condemns you.

NationStates

[PASSED] Liberate The NSIA

[PASSED] Liberate The NSIA

[AT VOTE] Liberate The NSIA

Bad move