[PASSED] Liberate The NSIA

[Frapen Folisia]

Regardless, we're being relatively light-hearted about this. No one is really attacking anyone else's ideology. Well, except for this resolution and its author, which is basically a declaration of war on fascism. [ Which will only end in people leaving NS. ]

If its a war against fascism then I am ready to stand my ground with the capitalist men of Frapen Folisia.

[Drasnia]

Liberate The NSIA was passed 13,431 votes to 3,738.

[We Are Not the NSA]

Liberate The NSIA was passed 13,431 votes to 3,738.

Darn, ninja'd me.

[Hectania]

Liberate The NSIA was passed 13,431 votes to 3,738.

I wonder how long it will be until it gets raided.

[The Texan Union]

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=392362

Draft for the repeal ^

[Drasnia]

Liberate The NSIA was passed 13,431 votes to 3,738.

Darn, ninja'd me.

Drat! I've been found out! *Puts on balaclava and ducks into the shadows.*

[Scandinavilandia]

This is a question of either


A.Suppressing free speech (which is bad)

B.Supporting nazis (which is also bad)

BUT after reviewing this I think the nation led by the Secretary of the WA is..Jewish.

[New USAs]

This is a question of either


A.Suppressing free speech (which is bad)

B.Supporting nazis (which is also bad)

BUT after reviewing this I think the nation led by the Secretary of the WA is..Jewish.

Supporting nazi's isnt bad. They have so much to offer.

[Scandinavilandia]

This is a question of either


A.Suppressing free speech (which is bad)

B.Supporting nazis (which is also bad)

BUT after reviewing this I think the nation led by the Secretary of the WA is..Jewish.

Supporting nazi's isnt bad. They have so much to offer.

Not to knock on your opinion,but please explain how.

[New USAs]

Supporting nazi's isnt bad. They have so much to offer.

Not to knock on your opinion,but please explain how.

Well for one, once the Germans banned the jews from running private banks their economy increased. They also were looking at getting people with good genes to have kids and those who did not couldnt. If you look at the times now, people are having more kids with genetic disorders and other allergies that can kill them. If we were to go back and focus on allowing only those with no major problems have kids, we have less mental and physical health issues. Sometimes you need to take a hard stranded approach to fix issues.

[Leruc]

They also were looking at getting people with good genes to have kids and those who did not couldn't. If you look at the times now, people are having more kids with genetic disorders and other allergies that can kill them.

Not really. Eugenics in that sense is almost certainly doomed to fail. Anyone biologist worth their salt will tell you that genetic diversity is key to maintaining species health and survival. Trying to only breed 'healthy' humans with other 'healthy' humans would have some benefits certainly, but there is no way such an extensive program would be worth the cost, both in terms of money and in lives. Then consider something like sickle cell anemia. Those who have one gene for sickle cell anemia have an increased resistance to malaria. Those who have no gene for sickle cell anemia have not. But those who have two genes for sickle cell anemia have serious health complications. Even leaving aside any of the moral issues, of which there are many, we simply don't know enough about the function of genes and their interaction with the environment to try and use breeding programs to develop a superior human being.

[NSIA-1]

Both of these regions were protected against Nazi vultures like yourself

Nazi
noun

1 historical - A member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party .

1.1 derogatory - A person with extreme racist or authoritarian views.

1.2 A person who seeks to impose their views on others in a very autocratic or inflexible way.

fascist
noun

1 An advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.

1.1 A person who is extremely right-wing or authoritarian.

1.2 A person who is very intolerant or domineering in a particular area.
__________

According to the Oxford dictionary, you qualify as a Nazi 1.2 and a fascist 1.2.

You can mislabel me deliberately till the cows come home, but I’ll always be a capitalist vulture.

I have always been and always will be pure Anti-Nazi/Fascist.

Untrue for many reasons. The most compelling: Your definitions of Nazi and fascist are bad make-believe. You couldn't sell them to the Brothers Grimm.

Nazis and fascists are your favorite prey, but you say dictatorships and corrupt nations/regions throughout NationStates deserve no respite either—even if they're just roleplaying.

Wtf is a corrupt nation and region to you? Never mind, I know one-month-old CTE Dumbledorian fits the bill.

(The MT Army WFE: In 1940, the Mariner Trench (MT) Army arose from the deepest place on planet Earth to find a world in peril, full of hate, oppression and intolerance.)

Dumbledorian was originally created in 2012 by Albustopia. He lasted 10 weeks. Six months later, Aberforthtopia set off the Nazi alarm in the deepest place on planet Earth: wee-ooo-wee! woo-woo-woo! wee-ooo-wee!

The MT Army ascended the watery depths—pausing only to sign The Little Mermaid's autograph book—to save the world from an abandoned one-month-old Harry Potter region, population 3 (probably the founder's puppets since they CTEd the same time). Vippertooth33 made a living museum against hate out of a one-month-old Harry Potter region and has held it for 3 1/2 years.

Dumbledorian Head of Recruitment Office: The Snape Islands. Head of Embassy Office: Voldumortia and Avada.

Call 911, I'm having a loleurysm.

Do you see any Anti-Capitalist tags on those regions?

It's not as if tags, embassies, region names or truth are relevant. As Antifa's front man, you accepted an embassy with Sea of Maramar 13 days ago. Using turd emoticons to enclose BLITZKRIEG and Nazi Europa, The Red Fleet says it 'captured' the region from me. Untrue. TRF has been the only founder of a fictional body of water with the largest natural deposit of asphalt in the world. Fantasy lovers everywhere can walk on the Sea of Maramar.

I own Sea of Marmara.

I also own Cloud City. TRF created a similar region and added a letter to the second word to make an obscene joke of it. TRF said they captured that one from NE and BLITZKRIEG too.

Those who hold embassies with Nazi/Fascist/Dictatorship regions are providing support, sympathy and allowing a platform for hate, why would I not target them?

That's your sad, scary interpretation of embassies, and how you use them to target innocent regions and defame players.

why would any sane person/region want to support this?

You're suggesting that everyone who doesn't subscribe to your radical, parochial views and interpretations are insane. You're calling a lot of folks in this thread insane.

I'm embarrassed to admit how long I was oblivious to the NS R/D game: three years maybe. I used NS only to socialize with my homies until Antifa messed with me. I was so GP-stupid, that when Hell kicked around making embassies with NAZI EUROPE, it didn't occurred to me we might be attacked for 'providing support, sympathy and allowing a platform for hate'.

A majority of Hell's vocal members wanted the NE embassy. Not one of us who supported the embassy viewed it as an endorsement of Nazism. The prevailing thought was Nazis and Hell were compatible, and NS was a game not real life.

I'd no idea 'thought police' orgs existed in NS at that time; I'd no idea players were harassed and targeted for their thoughts.

Your screen-shot clearly shows TSS had embassies with The Greater German Reich and League Of Dictatorships

A closer look at TSS, 2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20120929085 ... th_sanctum

At the bottom of the page, the founder says TSS 'welcomes all'.

Many regions aren't particular about embassies. You're determined to force everyone in the game to view regions, players, embassies, etc., through your microscope.

Antifa has an embassy with North Korea. NS NK likes to pretend it's a democracy, but they believe the 'democratic' part in the real DPRK is honest. You've embraced North Korea warmly. NK's members support MT Army and Antifa ops.

You say NS dictatorships—genuine or RP—are very terrible and deserve no respite. You accept no surrender and reject retreat. You take out regions based on embassies they've made with dictatorships and take out dictatorships based on their names, e.g., Conservative Dictatorships. Yet you embrace a dictatorship that doesn't put much effort into disguising what it is.

If I removed all NE's tags you find so offensive and replaced them with LGBTQ, Communist, Socialist and Anti-Fascist, would you turn a blind eye to NE's name and what our members post? Because that's what you're doing with NS North Korea.

Vanity Fair thinks Kim Jong-un is a dictator.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/02/ ... erstanding

Business Insider believes Kim Jong-un is one of the world's scariest dictators.
http://www.businessinsider.com/north-ko ... ors-2016-1

The Daily Telegraph identifies Kim Jong-un as a dictator.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05 ... ers-in-ne/

Kim Jong-un executed a minister who snoozed during a meeting with him.

NS North Korea members regularly post NK propaganda and NK nuclear progress updates, applauding Kim Jong-un's violations of UNSC Resolutions.

Your Libcom friends dislike NK for good reason: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=10282287

NK's founder's report on the arrest of 21-year-old University of Virginia student, Otto Warmbier: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=16528545

When an NK member asked for clarification, NK's founder’s response:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=16561685

She mentioned 600 CIA plots to kill Castro, speculating that the U.S. student was in NK to kill the beloved dictator. She provides links to support her speculation.

Otto Warmbier is imprisoned in North Korea, sentenced to 15 years hard labor for attempting to steal a propaganda poster.

When it comes to using a platform for hate in the game, no one does it better than North Korea.

I am squinting really hard, but I still cant make out any embassies with Antifa....can I borrow your reading glasses Woody?

You hardly need my reading glasses when you've a microscope with a fixed slide that says Kill The Nazi! Spill His Blood! Bash Him In!

A The White house spokesperson welcomed Antifa to The White House. No embassy is necessary to establish a support connection between Antifa and anti-Americans.

On the flip side I would like to see you hand over all of your Nazi/white supremacist/racist regions to perhaps myself? to see if you walk the talk about not being a Nazi, sound like a fair deal? I promise if you do, they will not be paraded as a victory against you, rather a symbolic gesture toward some middle ground and sensibility.

Except it's not the flip side. You're asking me to release symbols that represent what I'm trying to preserve—the right to exist in the game within the confines of the rules. You're not trying to preserve capitalism.

I released The White Mans Burden yesterday as a show of good faith. I created the region in response to the TRF/RDC/MT Army raid on White Mens Burden, where you and your friends erected a platform of hate on top of the existing one. Note the moderator comments on the RMB: https://web.archive.org/web/20131019134 ... ens_burden

My release of The White Mans Burden was unmistakably deliberate. You lied as always in the WFE and said you 'captured' it from me.

I know the ‘middle ground’ business was bs, but just for the hell of it: I'll release all the holdings you mentioned, and throw in Islam (as I've offered to do in the past) in exchange for NAZI EUROPE, a region moldering behind a password when it was targeted for destruction because of its name.

Islam natives want Islam returned to them. They approached NAZI EUROPE's caretakers about an exchange and were turned away by greedy trophy hunters.

Antifa created Captain Woodhouse. You, Antifa's founder, have the power to uncreate him. If you think you've a better chance of destroying me via the SC, maintain your southerly course.

[Vippertooth33]

Except it's not the flip side. You're asking me to release symbols that represent what I'm trying to preserve—the right to exist in the game within the confines of the rules. You're not trying to preserve capitalism.

I released The White Mans Burden yesterday as a show of good faith. My release of The White Mans Burden was unmistakably deliberate. You lied as always in the WFE and said you 'captured' it from me.

I know the ‘middle ground’ business was bs, but just for the hell of it: I'll release all the holdings you mentioned, and throw in Islam (as I've offered to do in the past) in exchange for NAZI EUROPE, a region moldering behind a password when it was targeted for destruction because of its name.

Antifa created Captain Woodhouse. You, Antifa's founder, have the power to uncreate him. If you think you've a better chance of destroying me via the SC, maintain your southerly course.

It's our position that Nazism is by default a hateful ideology. It's an ideology that prides itself on the destruction and control of others. Our grandparents went to war with it and we're not content to stand idly by and let it brew on NationStates. We're concerned by related ideologies as well. We're concerned by it just in itself, and we're concerned by how it can effect the real world. So we're fighting against it.

I am asking you to stop dedicating your efforts regarding the protection of Nazi and racist named/themed regions and prove to us that you are not one.

I am genuinely sorry about The White Mans Burden, at the time of refound I did not see any public statement about you releasing it to us in good faith, I saw the embassy cut and assumed it was involuntary. Upon reading your forum post and reviewing the founder nation, amendments have been made to rectify the situation.

Perhaps this release is the first step toward uncreating NAZI Captain Woodhouse, and ushering in good guy Captain Woodhouse, someone to look up too

I am set to travel internationally in RL for the next several weeks (limited NS time) but I would like us to continue on this train of thought/process upon my return if you still wish.

[Tinhampton]

Delegate-Ambassador Smith walks into the room...

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Yes, I know that this resolution is no longer up for vote, but I do see a clear intent besides this proposal. Such resolutions as the attempts to Liberate the SLU and Condemn the Invaders, made by new nations, are widely considered to be "selfies", or resolutions made by a nation to condemn, commend (or liberate) themselves or a region. One was defeated badly, and another one is set to be defeated badly.

However, this liberation is unusual. It is not a "selfie", nor is it a regular resolution passed by an outsider forcing %REGION%'s all-powerful delegate to remove the password. Instead, this resolution has a distinct aroma - that of invasion by anti-Nazi forces. The first letters of the first four sentences read "CAIN", whom invaded the NSIA; and it nearly spells out "ANTIFA" - both organisations named as "combatting Nazism". In fact, as the last clause admits, this very resolution was written to allow for the invasion of the NSIA this morning! This is not a selfie or a "Let your people free!" resolution, but something that we can call a "Liberty" - a LIBERation To Invade.

[Hayeri]

Seriously. I got kicked out. Still, next time, I'll liberate willingly! I'm the sole NDG representative, so I won't be on NDG every day!

[Hew]

They should have named this resolution "Invade The NSIA" instead.