[DEFEATED] Liberate Social Liberal Union (by Filthy Casualz)

[Tinhampton]

I understand that this proposal seems to have been written by a raider, but a liberation is a liberation regardless, so why is it that you are so adamant that this proposal be shot down?

Because there is another liberation that is on the verge of entering the queue, which some praise as superior to this resolution. (also keeping in mind Social Mysterion's post on the previous page)

[New Zacharianasville]

I understand that this proposal seems to have been written by a raider, but a liberation is a liberation regardless, so why is it that you are so adamant that this proposal be shot down?

I agree with you. I want to help, and I see voting for this bill as the right thing to do, in order to achieve that. I frankly dont care about the fishy details that surrond it, a liberation is a liberation none the less. I believe it would help the region by expelling the raiders and restablishing order.

[New Zacharianasville]

and I will also vote for the second bill if it reaches the floor too.

[Mons Garle]

I understand that this proposal seems to have been written by a raider, but a liberation is a liberation regardless, so why is it that you are so adamant that this proposal be shot down?

I agree with you. I want to help, and I see voting for this bill as the right thing to do, in order to achieve that. I frankly dont care about the fishy details that surrond it, a liberation is a liberation none the less. I believe it would help the region by expelling the raiders and restablishing order.

As the Delegate of the Region before the raid, I can categorically tell you that this resolution is of no use to us and only serves to glorify the raiders.

There is another proposal in the queue that would be of far more use to us all.

[Social Mysterion]

I understand that this proposal seems to have been written by a raider, but a liberation is a liberation regardless, so why is it that you are so adamant that this proposal be shot down?

I agree with you. I want to help, and I see voting for this bill as the right thing to do, in order to achieve that. I frankly dont care about the fishy details that surrond it, a liberation is a liberation none the less. I believe it would help the region by expelling the raiders and restablishing order.

One more time, a liberationDOES NOT EXPEL THE INVADERS. It simply removes a password, of which there is none.

[New Zacharianasville]

I agree with you. I want to help, and I see voting for this bill as the right thing to do, in order to achieve that. I frankly dont care about the fishy details that surrond it, a liberation is a liberation none the less. I believe it would help the region by expelling the raiders and restablishing order.

As the Delegate of the Region before the raid, I can categorically tell you that this resolution is of no use to us and only serves to glorify the raiders.

There is another proposal in the queue that would be of far more use to us all.

And in conjunction with that, I will also support the second bill if it comes to the floor. My opinion is that either bill works just fine.

[Boghorn]

I agree with you. I want to help, and I see voting for this bill as the right thing to do, in order to achieve that. I frankly dont care about the fishy details that surrond it, a liberation is a liberation none the less. I believe it would help the region by expelling the raiders and restablishing order.

As the Delegate of the Region before the raid, I can categorically tell you that this resolution is of no use to us and only serves to glorify the raiders.

There is another proposal in the queue that would be of far more use to us all.

If you truly represent the wishes of the (rightful) residents of SLU, then I shall vote against this proposal.

[Social Mysterion]

As the Delegate of the Region before the raid, I can categorically tell you that this resolution is of no use to us and only serves to glorify the raiders.

There is another proposal in the queue that would be of far more use to us all.

If you truly represent the wishes of the (rightful) residents of SLU, then I shall vote against this proposal.

Thank you, I am glad you have seen and understood.

[Boghorn]

I agree with you. I want to help, and I see voting for this bill as the right thing to do, in order to achieve that. I frankly dont care about the fishy details that surrond it, a liberation is a liberation none the less. I believe it would help the region by expelling the raiders and restablishing order.

One more time, a liberationDOES NOT EXPEL THE INVADERS. It simply removes a password, of which there is none.

If that is the case, then this liberation bill or the other one isn't going to do much of anything is it? What really needs to be done is to get the community to rally together and actually help SLU instead of sitting around passing meaningless laws.

[Navaronia]

One more time, a liberationDOES NOT EXPEL THE INVADERS. It simply removes a password, of which there is none.

If that is the case, then this liberation bill or the other one isn't going to do much of anything is it? What really needs to be done is to get the community to rally together and actually help SLU instead of sitting around passing meaningless laws.

Try contacting a defender region, I guess.

[Social Mysterion]

One more time, a liberationDOES NOT EXPEL THE INVADERS. It simply removes a password, of which there is none.

If that is the case, then this liberation bill or the other one isn't going to do much of anything is it? What really needs to be done is to get the community to rally together and actually help SLU instead of sitting around passing meaningless laws.

Yes, that is exactly what we are doing. If you'd like to help, please contact me.

[North Arkana]

The Versutian Federation has cast its vote against this resolution by a wide margin, and as WAD, I will do the same. The resolution is so suspect, it's easier to indict than a ham sandwich.

[Mousebumples]

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As a further note just to be absolutely clear, Osiris is fully aware of what is going on with this proposal, and unlike some raiders in this thread, we value raider unity over the laughable "integrity" of the defender dominated Security Council and impressing Mousebumples. It's disgusting to see raiders siding against fellow raiders in the Security Council and waging near-constant propaganda war against their fellow raiders. The continual self-interested disruptions these raiders pose to raider unity are disturbing. Why not just take that final step and start defending against The Invaders as well?

In any event, Osiris stands with our fellow raiders, The Invaders, and that is why we are voting for this proposal. I'm sure it's doomed now but at least it's provided clarity in regard to how willing some raiders are to throw other raiders under the bus.

What on earth does "impressing me" have to do with this proposal? I didn't even read any telegrams I got from anyone until after I lodged my initial vote, per our regional off-site forum. *is super-confused right now*

[Cormactopia II]

What on earth does "impressing me" have to do with this proposal? I didn't even read any telegrams I got from anyone until after I lodged my initial vote, per our regional off-site forum. *is super-confused right now*

Impressing "large WA Delegates" by demonstrating their respect for the Security Council was the primary reason Souls privately gave me for opposing this liberation resolution. Given how obsessed both he and HYDRA are with pleasing Europeia, I extrapolated that by "large WA Delegates," he meant you.

[Mousebumples]

What on earth does "impressing me" have to do with this proposal? I didn't even read any telegrams I got from anyone until after I lodged my initial vote, per our regional off-site forum. *is super-confused right now*

Impressing "large WA Delegates" by demonstrating their respect for the Security Council was the primary reason Souls privately gave me for opposing this liberation resolution. Given how obsessed both he and HYDRA are with pleasing Europeia, I extrapolated that by "large WA Delegates," he meant you.

If that's the case, no one was in contact with me about that. It's possible that could be their motivation, but I just got back from vacation, so I wasn't involved in behind the scenes campaigning on any of this.

[Cormactopia II]

If that's the case, no one was in contact with me about that. It's possible that could be their motivation, but I just got back from vacation, so I wasn't involved in behind the scenes campaigning on any of this.

And I wasn't accusing you of being involved in any such thing. If it seemed that way, I do apologize.

[Dobbs]

As someone who supports all liberations and opposes all attempts at ending liberations, I SUPPORT this liberation (predictably). If it fails, hopefully the one that is pending in the queue will pass instead, they have the exact same effect, just different wording. It is too bad we can't just liberate ALL regions permanently... the only permanently liberated regions appear to be the Rejected Realms and to a lesser extent the official Warzone regions. I wish my own region that I founded could also have a permanently-liberated status so nobody would ever have to worry about what happened if I as the Founder disappeared in some freak WMD accident.

[CAMPINASS]

These kind of actions should be avoided in any region however to date there are no laws that prevent them from making war for any reason,

[CAMPINASS]

There is no question what the real reason, the major powers have shown their strength in all ways always putting in discussion about it table its military size, on the other hand seeking legitimacy countries are subjected to any force that obliges him to accept in exchange is desired, guns, weapons, war, war, voted against but with doubts of a truth that does not appear clearly, only a shadow of it.
I can not believe it's the last, and unfortunately I believe that there is a complete imbalance of forces.

[Boghorn]

The other SLU Liberation Proposal has just reached enough votes to get on the voting floor. Honestly, this whole process has been very annoying, it's prolonging this crisis while no body actually tries to go out and do something to help SLU.

[Twilight Imperium]

The other SLU Liberation Proposal has just reached enough votes to get on the voting floor. Honestly, this whole process has been very annoying, it's prolonging this crisis while no body actually tries to go out and do something to help SLU.

Well yeah, the WA security council was based on the UN one after all. Voted against because Mousey did!

[The Gipper]

OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON LIBERATE SOCIAL LIBERAL UNION

There are many elements of this debate (and the other thread) that have pulled me to vote for a liberation of Social Liberal Union, but there are many elements that pulled me to vote against as well. I remain undecided if I will ultimately support a liberation, and I have not yet given the other draft my approval.

Regarding this draft however, to me it seems very extreme to support a liberation of a region that the natives actively oppose. I have seen no effort by the supporters here to claim the natives do in fact support this. The only justification I could imagine for voting for this draft, then, is that there is something terrible about the Social Liberal Union and it should be liberated against the community's wishes. I looked into their old WFE, and their old flag for indications they supported communism or something equally horrid, but could find no such evidence. I'm at a loss then for a reason that I could possibly justify supporting this proposal even if I were to attempt to play devil's advocate.

I suspect it will be harder for me to come to a conclusion on the upcoming question of if this region (with the current facts and situation) should be liberated when the natives ask for it. But regarding the question of should this region be liberated despite the fact the natives do not want it, I think that is a fairly straightforward decision. I vote AGAINST this resolution.

WA Delegate from The Free States,
The Gipper

[East Gondwana]

"East Gondwana has chosen to break from its tradition of non-participation in Security Council decisions to vote AGAINST this resolution, due to our great dismay at the blatant mockery of diplomatic procedure present by this raider-sponsored resolution, and the great distress we have observed from the peaceful native member nations of the SLU."

[Mons Garle]

Please note, that to all concerned, the SLU has been liberated by its original founder

Thanks for all your valuable support!

[Imperium Anglorum]

It appears that the founder has smashed the invading forces.