[Passed] Repeal "Quarantine Regulation"

[States of Glory WA Office]

You know this room has windows, right?

Fairburn: So what? You may have seen the marker, but you couldn't have known that it was permanent. Windows tend to muffle sound.

Does anyone have any comments, about this repeal, not about Lockwood's unconsciousness?

Neville: It seems fine to me, though you'll have to ask someone with more knowledge in this field.

[Umeria]

Fairburn: So what? You may have seen the marker, but you couldn't have known that it was permanent. Windows tend to muffle sound.

When Carlyle took this job, she didn't expect to be in danger from pranks like this.

Neville: It seems fine to me, though you'll have to ask someone with more knowledge in this field.

"Well, it seems like a fine time to submit, then."

[Araraukar]

"Well, it seems like a fine time to submit, then."

OOC: Haven't looked at your proposal's latest draft yet, but if I was you, I'd wait to submit until the submitted list has cleared up a bit. There seem to be various illegal/naive/silly proposals there right now.

[Umeria]

"Well, it seems like a fine time to submit, then."

OOC: Haven't looked at your proposal's latest draft yet, but if I was you, I'd wait to submit until the submitted list has cleared up a bit. There seem to be various illegal/naive/silly proposals there right now.

OOC: I wasn't actually going to submit it. "I'm submitting this if no one has anything else to say" just seems to be the one thing that can get people to comment about my proposals during lulls.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I have no problems with the proposal at hand. I will support a submission effort in two days if no further responses are garnered.

[Cogoria]

Cogoria feels that the current draft is as good as it is likely to get. Though despite acknowledging the effort that has gone into writing this repeal, we look forward to voting against it.

[States of Glory WA Office]

"Well, it seems like a fine time to submit, then."

OOC: Haven't looked at your proposal's latest draft yet, but if I was you, I'd wait to submit until the submitted list has cleared up a bit. There seem to be various illegal/naive/silly proposals there right now.

OOC: I don't want to be that guy, but it's 'if I were you'. You use the subjunctive mood in this case, not the indicative.

OOC: I wasn't actually going to submit it. "I'm submitting this if no one has anything else to say" just seems to be the one thing that can get people to comment about my proposals during lulls.

OOC: Now that you've revealed your technique, it's not going to fool us anymore.

[Umeria]

OOC: Now that you've revealed your technique, it's not going to fool us anymore.

OOC: Yes it will. I'll just add "I mean it this time".

I have no problems with the proposal at hand. I will support a submission effort in two days if no further responses are garnered.

Two days it is. If no one has any more proposal objections by Wednesday night, I'm going to submit it. I mean it this time.

[Bananaistan]

The World Assembly,

Understanding that the logistics of quarantines raise many issues due to the individual's needs conflicting with society's;

Acknowledging that the resolution puts a number of measures into place which fixes some of these issues and improves the standards of quarantines;

Regretting that 385 GA fails to cover many issues involving medical ethics and medicine within a quarantine;
Is there a reason why this could not be covered in a further resolution?

Questioning whether the resolution's four point definition of "treatment" is malleable enough to cover untested methods or procedures;
Eh? What's the precise problem here? It allows such untested methods or procedures or it disallows them?

Concerned that 385 GA requires any appropriate treatment available to be given to infected persons regardless of whether the treatment would, as a side effect, permanently cripple the person;
I would like an explanation of this because I don't see how it requires such.

Unsettled by the resolution's mandate to put infected persons in the nearest quarantine to them, causing drastic displacement if a person happened to be far away from their home at the time;
Considering that a nation would only need to enact the measures contained in the resolution in a major crisis which would "significantly decrease the nation's functioning and/or well-being", is it really a major issue that a person might wind up in a quarantine far away from home?

Distraught by 385 GA's complete lack of information on what constitutes appropriate force when restraining infected persons attempting to escape a quarantine;
So what?

Believing that the resolution does not properly address these matters, and skims many central issues on the topic of quarantines;

Worried that 385 GA makes it extremely difficult to pass further legislation on ethical problems as pertaining to quarantines;

Hoping to clear the hastiness of the resolution from these halls and pass a new resolution that fills the gaping hole 385 GA created;

Hereby repeals "Quarantine Regulation".

"My comments are above on specific sections. This is full of petty nitpicking. We will not support."

- Ted Hornwood

[States of Glory WA Office]

This is full of petty nitpicking.

Fairburn: I agree. Ambassador Lockwood, pay no attention to Ambassador Hornwood.

Neville: Wait, both of their names end in 'wood'?

[Umeria]

Lockwood is reawakened my Hornwood's comments.

Is there a reason why this could not be covered in a further resolution?

"Yes. The reason is that it would almost certainly constitute a House of Cards violation."

Eh? What's the precise problem here? It allows such untested methods or procedures or it disallows them?

"The problem is it's too vague to tell whether a given untested method should be used on an infected person."

I would like an explanation of this because I don't see how it requires such.

"Permanently crippling someone as a consequence of curing a disease can be considered necessary harm, and would, in many horrific cases, be legal."

Considering that a nation would only need to enact the measures contained in the resolution in a major crisis which would "significantly decrease the nation's functioning and/or well-being", is it really a major issue that a person might wind up in a quarantine far away from home?

"Yes. They would spend their last days isolated from any close family comfort. It's an emotional thing."

So what?

"So member nations can undertake totally unjust practices in the name of disease control and there's be nothing the WA can do to stop it."

"My comments are above on specific sections. This is full of petty nitpicking. We will not support."

- Ted Hornwood

"I hope my explanations will change your mind."

Neville: Wait, both of their names end in 'wood'?

"Well, my name makes more sense. One can definitely have a lock made of wood, but horns almost always consist of, well, horn."

[States of Glory WA Office]

"Well, my name makes more sense. One can definitely have a lock made of wood, but horns almost always consist of, well, horn."

Fairburn: Most horns I'm aware of are made from brass.

[Excidium Planetis]

OOC: I don't want to be that guy, but it's 'if I were you'. You use the subjunctive mood in this case, not the indicative.

OOC:
Thinking about what I, as a native speaker, knew was correct... it actually really doesn't make sense. You say "I was walking down the street", why would you say "If I were you"? That's about as logical as making people say "If you was me". No wonder the Finnish guy said it wrong.

"Well, my name makes more sense. One can definitely have a lock made of wood, but horns almost always consist of, well, horn."

"Our intelligence reports do not indicate the geographical location of Umeria or your nation's precise origins..." Blackbourne remarks as he scrolls through data on his wrist. "But do you not know of alphorns? They are not a common musical instrument, especially in Excidium Planetis."

[Umeria]

"Apologies; I was thinking of horns such as the one on a rhinoceros. But wooden locks still are more common."

[Imperium Anglorum]

"Well, my name makes more sense. One can definitely have a lock made of wood, but horns almost always consist of, well, horn."

Fairburn: Most horns I'm aware of are made from brass.

OOC: The English horn (Cor anglais) is made of wood. But as it happens, it isn't English in any way. It's actually Silesian.

[Umeria]

Cubbins steps in.

"This discussion of horns is very interesting, but we should get to the matter at hand. Can we submit the proposal now? Or does Mr. Hornwood find Lockwood's explanations unsatisfying?

[Umeria]

"A fine job you did getting everyone to stop talking about horns," says Carlyle, "it seems your bluntness silenced everyone for good."

"Oh, this happens all the time," says Lockwood, "I'm sure people will start talking again in a week or two."

[States of Glory WA Office]

"A fine job you did getting everyone to stop talking about horns," says Carlyle, "it seems your bluntness silenced everyone for good."

"Oh, this happens all the time," says Lockwood, "I'm sure people will start talking again in a week or two."

OOC: Just threaten to submit, then sit back and watch.

[Umeria]

"A fine job you did getting everyone to stop talking about horns," says Carlyle, "it seems your bluntness silenced everyone for good."

"Oh, this happens all the time," says Lockwood, "I'm sure people will start talking again in a week or two."

OOC: Just threaten to submit, then sit back and watch.

OOC: Okay then. Two days from this post's time stamp, I will submit.

[States of Glory WA Office]

OOC: Just threaten to submit, then sit back and watch.

OOC: Okay then. Two days from this post's time stamp, I will submit.

OOC: I should have told you to be vague. Now you'll have to submit if no-one comments within two days.

I guess that's what I get for being vague.

[Umeria]

OOC: Okay then. Two days from this post's time stamp, I will submit.

OOC: I should have told you to be vague. Now you'll have to submit if no-one comments within two days.

I guess that's what I get for being vague.

Oh no, heaven forbid I ever get to submit this.

Two days is plenty of time for someone with an objection to voice it.

[Araraukar]

Oh no, heaven forbid I ever get to submit this.

Two days is plenty of time for someone with an objection to voice it.

OOC: Submit it and someone will log in the day after, point out a fatal flaw and you or they will have to do a GHR to have it pulled for rewriting.

The problem with you not getting comments is that there are a lot of more interesting things afoot (like the influx of Reddites and the GA Council) that take people's attention.

OOC: I don't want to be that guy, but it's 'if I were you'. You use the subjunctive mood in this case, not the indicative.

OOC: This came to mind...

And this.

[States of Glory WA Office]

OOC: I should have told you to be vague. Now you'll have to submit if no-one comments within two days.

I guess that's what I get for being vague.

Oh no, heaven forbid I ever get to submit this.

Two days is plenty of time for someone with an objection to voice it.

OOC: That sort of reasoning is exactly why you have to draft a repeal in the first place.

[Araraukar]

OOc: I see this has now been submitted. PPU still has no official opinion one way or another, so if it makes it to vote, I'll be voting based on whether the proposal text makes enough sense at the time.

[Umeria]

OOC: It seems my campaign telegram didn't reach anyone. Apparently, I have no idea how to use API.