[DEAFEATED] Condemn "Gregoryisgodistan"

[Crazy girl]

Acknowledging that Gregoryisgodistan has been governed by Lord Almighty Gregory with a repressive hand, violating even the most basic human rights approved by the World Assembly;

Noting that Gregoryisgodistan has brutal laws that violates basic freedoms, forcing people to worship their leader via brainwashing people, even by the mean of massively drugging people via prune juice and gruel, the only legal food in Gregoryisgodistan;

Shocked on the systematical violations made by Gregoryisgodistan in matters regarding basic human rights and international law, since this nation is responsible of multiple attacks and wars against pacific nations by the only fact of not accepting Lord Almighty Gregory as their lord, or other ideological issues that aren’t compatible with the totalitarian and brutal Gregoryisgodistani regime;

Further shocked by the Gregoryisgodistani Government past actions of genocide and threats against nations like Hicana, Saintland, San Jose Guayabal, Menta Lee-il, and others included in the "Enemy List";

Horrified on all the actions that the Gregoryisgodistani government has done in order to impose their beliefs all across the multiverse with state-sponsored terrorism, brainwashing to other nations, attacking other nations under a clear breach of the World Assembly proposals about the usage of Weapons of Massive Destruction, executing people live in international TV and even killing their own population for propagandistic effects;

Disgusted That the International Community has not done enough efforts in order to condemn the behavior of the Gregoryisgodistani Government towards other nations and people from its own country;

Observing the efforts led by Damukuni and Eura in order to establish a regional alliance, the South Esportivan Treaty Organization (SETO), composed by six nations that defends other nations at any attempt made by the Gregoryisgodistani Government to attack peaceful nations, disturbing the regional order and peace, and also leading a crusade which main aim is to empower the Gregoryisgodistani population with knowledge of their basic human rights;

Urging All the World Assembly members to recognize the need of condemning such a brutal and repressive regime like the Gregoryisgodistani Government, recognize the Gregoryisgodistani Government in exile as the legitimate government;

Wishing the end of the repressive and totalitarian Gregoryisgodistani Government of Lord Almighty Gregory and the creation of a legitimate and democratically-elected government that guarantees the human rights of the Gregoryisgodistani people;

Hereby Condemns Gregoryisgodistan

Thoughts regarding this? BTW, clarifying that I made sure to read all the rules regarding declarations, though there could be some errors on it, feedback is appreciated, since this is my first formal proposal and the fact that English is not my first language.

[Imperium Anglorum]

To be honest, the bolding AND underlining is egregious. Why did you not also italicise it? Please remove such ignobilities.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Well there's not much point in making too many comments on this proposal as you have already submitted it.

What I will say is that it is very difficult to get proposals like these to quorum, never mind passed. There are thousands of nations just as "evil" out there, why should this one be condemned above those?

Apart from a few grammatical errors the proposal reads well and there are no illegalities that I can detect.

However, no support from TWP.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Lord Almighty Gregory released a statement on the proposal at hand.

"San Jose Guayabal is a wicked, heathen nation and now they are trying to condemn us through the World Assembly. This will not stand! In the event this heinous proposal passes, we will launch 2,000 nuclear weapons at each nation on our Enemy List. And by the way, stupid Guaya Beans, Saintland isn't on our Enemy List anymore. East Saintland is but not the friendly West Saintland.

"So what if we have slaves? So what if there are over 100 capital crimes, including farting, burping, picking your nose, and saying the name of a certain fruit that starts with C and ends with t? So what if we throw people in reeducation camps for bad grammar? I am God and that is all that counts. Death to the World Assembly!"

[San Jose Guayabal]

Well there's not much point in making too many comments on this proposal as you have already submitted it.

What I will say is that it is very difficult to get proposals like these to quorum, never mind passed. There are thousands of nations just as "evil" out there, why should this one be condemned above those?

Apart from a few grammatical errors the proposal reads well and there are no illegalities that I can detect.

However, no support from TWP.

I'd want you to reconsider, under the following aspects:

Gregoryisgodistan isn't the generical "evil" nation that you might see around there, this nation has slavery of all it's citizens, has a really modern technological weaponry and other unique elements that makes this nation excel over other evil nations, basically on the way how has this nation been developed via RPing and through the time, it's evilness continues to grow and doesn't stops, that's why this nation should be condemned above the others.

[Free Republics]

The Federation of Free Republics supports this resolution and will temporarily rejoin the WA in order to vote for it should it come to the floor. The leadership of Gregoryisgodistan has repeatedly referred to our leader, Consul O'Reilly, as "Dumpy O'Rumpy" and called for him to be assassinated and for our Great and Free nation to be nuked. While we do not share the globalist agenda of the World Assembly, we welcome any support against the Gregoryisgodistani menace.

- The preceding was released with the permission of Consul O'Reilly and the O'Reilly Organization, as part of their continuing effort to Make Republica Ever Greater which is the successor to the successful effort to Make Republica Great Again.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Well there's not much point in making too many comments on this proposal as you have already submitted it.

What I will say is that it is very difficult to get proposals like these to quorum, never mind passed. There are thousands of nations just as "evil" out there, why should this one be condemned above those?

Apart from a few grammatical errors the proposal reads well and there are no illegalities that I can detect.

However, no support from TWP.

I'd want you to reconsider, under the following aspects:

Gregoryisgodistan isn't the generical "evil" nation that you might see around there, this nation has slavery of all it's citizens, has a really modern technological weaponry and other unique elements that makes this nation excel over other evil nations, basically on the way how has this nation been developed via RPing and through the time, it's evilness continues to grow and doesn't stops, that's why this nation should be condemned above the others.

No, not convinced. And anyway most people reading this thread will go "Who? Never heard of him."

[Topid]

OOC: I have given this an approval simply based upon the nation's age and post count. I don't think I will be alone in saying, as someone not connected to RP communities at all, I am not remotely aware of how prolific a contributor this player is. Can we get some info on this, examples of outstanding posts or significant work? I'll be watching the way other RPers respond, also.

[San Jose Guayabal]

Honestly, do you have another point? Since most people say Who? at resolutions, for example liberation of regions that we don't know, condemning other nations? Is that your argument, if so, it's not a strong one.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Honestly, do you have another point? Since most people say Who? at resolutions, for example liberation of regions that we don't know, condemning other nations? Is that your argument, if so, it's not a strong one.

No it was a general comment. I made my argument before that. Greg..... is just another generic evil nation, certainly not deserving of an SC Condemnation based on the arguments you have made in your proposal.

[Taviana SSR]

I do not see this proposal passing.

[Reploid Productions]

Statement of Dervest Vrad Skullcrusher XIV. van Deathkillkill:
"They should be condemned for mere slavery? Laughable. We here in Blutbadia conduct daily harvests in the wastelands around us and do you know what we do with the psychos we harvest there? We don't keep them as slaves, Cattle is the correct word.
Also, I demand for the condemnation of San Jose Guayabal, for being an utter weakling who tries to abuse the world assembly for his infertility problem!"

[San Jose Guayabal]

Please, only criticism or feedbacks, not what you think if it'll pass or not.

Much appreciated.

[The Serbian Empire]

OOC: I have given this an approval simply based upon the nation's age and post count. I don't think I will be alone in saying, as someone not connected to RP communities at all, I am not remotely aware of how prolific a contributor this player is. Can we get some info on this, examples of outstanding posts or significant work? I'll be watching the way other RPers respond, also.

I will admit as a nation that has been on the enemies list since the defections of athletes to the Serbian Empire that this nation is outright volatile to the point of bombing Slovene region industrial sites inside the Serbian Empire with light bombs, threatening to nuke every city with more than 5,000 people with ten nukes each (an estimated 4,510 nukes would be needed, and has people who arrest and execute others for eating cheese.
This is probably not helped by the Olympiad record gold medal effort or this Olympiad's Bronze from the defectors themselves.

They have had athletes shoot into crowds over their feud with Serbian athletes and threatened to nuke the Serbian Empire over the actions of the vengeful Mafija who are regularly sent to Serbian prisons for their violent and criminal ways. Will it pass without mentioning stuff from within the RPs? Probably not.

Are they worthy of condemnation? Definitely. The country is not just a "prototypical evil dictatorship" but one who pretty much is led by a despot who as soon as he feels shamed by our defection gains decides that he would rather nuke than recognize that his athletes are malnourished and underperforming due to laws within his country. The dictator himself has over 400+ concubines (The defector athletes were former concubines of Lord Almighty Gregory) while having a wife named Cleffie Martinez. He makes the actions of Caligula look like a run of the mill Jerry Springer guest. Lord Almighty Gregory is the Gold Standard of volatile despotic dictators who lead rogue states.

[Reploid Productions]

Blutbadia, knock it off with the large, bold, colorful text. Please review the "Garish Posting" rule listed in the site rules.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[We Are Not the NSA]

[box]Acknowledging that Gregoryisgodistan has been governed by Lord Almighty Gregory with a repressive hand, violating even the most basic human rights approved by the World Assembly;

Noting that Gregoryisgodistan has brutal laws that violates basic freedoms, forcing people to worship their leader via brainwashing people, even by the means of massively drugging people via prune juice and gruel, the only legal food in Gregoryisgodistan;

Shocked on by the systematical violations made by Gregoryisgodistan in matters regarding basic human rights and international law, since this nation is responsible of for multiple attacks and wars against pacific pacifist nations by the only fact of not accepting Lord Almighty Gregory as their lord, or other ideological issues that aren’t compatible with the totalitarian and brutal Gregoryisgodistani regime;

Further shocked by the Gregoryisgodistani Government's past actions of genocide and threats against nations like Hicana, Saintland, San Jose Guayabal, Menta Lee-il, and others included in the "Enemy List";

Horrified on by all the actions that the Gregoryisgodistani government has done in order to impose their beliefs all across the multiverse with state-sponsored terrorism, brainwashing to other nations, attacking other nations under a clear breach of the World Assembly proposals about the usage of Weapons of Massive Destruction, executing people live in on international TV and even killing their own population for propagandistic effects;

Disgusted That the International Community has not done enough efforts in order to condemn the behavior of the Gregoryisgodistani Government towards other nations and people from its own country;

Well, excuse us for caring about matters of actual importance.

Observing the efforts led by Damukuni and Eura in order to establish a regional alliance, the South Esportivan Treaty Organization (SETO), composed by six nations that defends other nations at any attempt made by the Gregoryisgodistani Government to attack peaceful nations, disturbing the regional order and peace, and also leading a crusade which main aim is to empower the Gregoryisgodistani population with knowledge of their basic human rights;

Urging All the World Assembly members to recognize the need of condemning such a brutal and repressive regime like the Gregoryisgodistani Government, recognize the Gregoryisgodistani Government in exile as the legitimate government;

Wishing the end of the repressive and totalitarian Gregoryisgodistani Government of Lord Almighty Gregory and the creation of a legitimate and democratically-elected government that guarantees the human rights of the Gregoryisgodistani people;

Hereby Condemns Gregoryisgodistan

My opinion: I have never been in favor of condemning players for in context actions, especially when they are the sole reason given to condemn them. Frankly, I've seen dozens of nations far more brutal than this, and Gregoryisgodistan actually seems like a nice guy OOC.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Lord Almighty Gregory, after giving some time to think it over, released a longer statement, which was then emailed to all World Assembly representatives as well as sent to all governments of World Assembly nations. He also sent a video of him giving the speech to be broadcast at World Assembly headquarters.

"Good evening, evil doers. It is I, your Lord, Lord Almighty Gregory, leader of Gregoryisgodistan. I strongly urge you to not condemn us, since if you do, you will meet your nuclear and utter destruction. We will nuke the whole wide world into oblivion if we are condemned. This will not stand.

"Now, there may be some good reasons to condemn us. For instance, we have slaves, including sex slaves. Sex offenders are dickapitated, castrated, and almost always executed, though it depends on the crime. For instance, telling a sexual joke is not punishable by execution, nor is drawing pictures of genitalia. But our pervert chasers will still slice off your privates, without anesthetic. So don't do it.

"And yes, we have a lengthy Enemy List and it is legal to kill citizens of those nations in Gregoryisgodistan. And yes, we have nuked Hicana, Vjaalsburg, Asuraia, and Associated Godlands into oblivion. We wiped those nations off the map, but you should be rewarding us because they were heathens. And yes, we launched a nuclear attack on San Jose Guayabal as well, but they deserved it. They're heathens. Heathens must die!

"And yes, we have a lengthy list of capital crimes, including Murder, theft, treason, piracy, using or possessing birth control, possessing items of or pertaining to another religion, disturbing the peace, leaving the country without permission, attempting to defect, jaywalking, obscene gestures, pointing your finger like a gun, writing a story about how you shot your neighbor's pet dinosaur, cheese smuggling, whaling, possession of cheese, dancing with a llama, being awake after national bedtime (after 11 PM and before 6 AM) except in order to comply with other laws, dancing with a camel, bringing a camel to the movie theater, putting a camel in a bathtub, putting a donkey in a bathtub, throwing shoes, wearing socks on your hands, standing on a chair, jumping on the bed, talking to fish, slamming doors, bribery, accepting bribes, interference with the duty of a police officer, interference with the duty of a Grammar Enforcement Officer, interference with the duty of a Spelling Enforcement Officer, interfering with the duty of a Mathematics Enforcement Officer, interfering with the duty of a Pervert Chaser, plagiarism, riding a donkey while facing backwards, interfering with the duty of an Enemy Crusher, drunk driving, drug possession or trafficking, criticizing Lord Almighty Gregory, defacing property of the state (which is almost all property), price gouging, public or private nudity, bestiality, failure to attend a public post-execution burning, singing any song other than songs of praise to Lord Almighty Gregory and the state, dancing, farting, hijacking, sticking out your tongue, assassination, gambling, publishing material critical of the state, speaking words critical of the state, using profanity, wearing pants that leave buttocks or underwear exposed, worshiping any deity other than Gregory, failing to publicly worship Gregory at least 37 times a day, public indecency, ticket scalping, fraud, counterfeit, forgery, failure to have a proper shrine to Gregory in one's house, distracting a shrine inspection agent while he is at your house, failure to give a shrine inspection agent coffee within 5 seconds of his arrival at your house, kidnapping, arson, assault, smoking, drinking alcohol, drinking orange juice, drinking pear juice, eating oranges, prostitution (for both the prostitute and client), doing jumping jacks, saying the word "coconut", reading a book that is not on the approved books list, thinking about reading a book that is not on the approved books list, thinking about thinking about reading a book that is not on the approved list, questioning the state or Gregory, thinking about questioning the state or Gregory, thinking about thinking about questioning the state or Gregory, carrying a fish above your head, thinking critical thoughts about Gregory or the state, thinking about thinking critical thoughts about the state or Gregory, burping, eating any food other than government-issued gruel rations, drinking any beverage other than government-issued prune juice rations, having dreams which are critical of Gregory or the state, attempting to figure out which technology the government uses to prove many of the above crimes, hypothesizing that the government does not actually possess the technology and merely accuses people because everyone commits some of these crimes sometimes, asking what you are being charged with upon arrest, talking in your sleep, refusing to accept one's guilt and execution sentence, refusal to accept one's guilt for a crime not punishable by execution, talking during one's trial for a non-capital crime, professing one's innocence of a non-capital crime, owning a car, owning a bike, being bald or having a shaven head, having sexual relations with any partner not authorized by the state, imitating a sheep, calling people "SHEEPLE", failure to bow down to Gregory or his image (such as on a television screen or a statue) immediately upon seeing it, talking to police officers during arrest, trial, prosecution, or any other point, thinking about what you might say to police if you could talk, thinking about thinking about what you might say if you could talk, failure to fly the national flag outside your house, failure to sing the national anthem every hour on the hour, including while asleep (though many citizens set their alarm clocks for 5 minutes to the hour then go back to sleep after singing the anthem) attempting to disable any spy cameras anywhere, including in one's own home, attempting to determine the location of spy cameras, determining the location of spy cameras (even accidentally), talking about the secret police, thinking about the secret police, thinking about thinking about the secret police, thinking about thinking about thinking about the secret police, killing a puppy, killing a kitten, having writing material critical of Lord Almighty Gregory or the state, sneezing, coughing, showering, bathing, blasphemy, looking in sewers, littering, hacking, trespassing, riding ugly horses, rape, attempting suicide, flying a kite, whining, complaining, looking at goats, talking to animals, nosepicking, spitting, forgetting to flush the toilet, mooning, digging in gardens, walking on grass, swimming, cutting something with scissors, wearing a watch, making bad jokes, imitating animals, threatening anyone, possession of pornography, child molestation, kicking a duck, kicking a cow, cow tipping, kicking a chicken, stepping in dog poop, stepping in cow poop, snoring, snorting, grunting, groaning, pouting, moaning, scratching your head, scratching your nose, scratching your butt, singing or playing some, but not all, of the national anthem (except at the end of Creation Day when only the first two verses and the last verse are sung), eating on Creation Day, speaking any language other than English, masturbating, prank calling, singing the incorrect words to the national anthem, electronically transmitting nude or semi-nude pictures, being in public without a shirt (except at beaches and swimming pools), wearing high heels, making a false bomb threat, pulling the fire alarm when there is no fire, possessing spray paint, drinking on Creation Day, going to the bathroom on Creation Day, failure to pronounce Lord Almighty Gregory's name correctly, thinking about committing a capital crime, thinking about thinking about committing a capital crime, thinking about thinking about thinking about committing a capital crime, owning a unicycle, and hiccuping.

"And yes, we force all our citizens except Government VIPs to eat nothing but prune juice and gruel, which we lace with mind control drugs to ensure compliance. And yes, we have lots of thugs working for our government, including Enemy Crushers, morbidly obese thugs who crush to death anyone they don't like under their humongous bodies. And they have claimed thousands of victims over the years, it's true. And there are the aforementioned Pervert Chasers. And we also have Grammar Enforcement Officers, Spelling Enforcement Officers, Vocabulary Enforcement Officers, and Mathematics Enforcement Officers, all of whom will send people who misuse those skills to Reeducation Camps. For a first offense, you spend 28 days in one of those camps, learning whatever you messed up on 23 hours a day with just one hour to eat, sleep, or go to the bathroom. But they deserve it for their crimes.

"And yes, our method of execution is the most brutal in the World. We use the Brownie Cutter of Death, a very sharp tool that can slice through bone and organs, to slowly slice you into thousands of tiny pieces. As you bleed out, as your bones and organs are sliced through, you will howl in pain, beg for mercy, but none will be forthcoming. And if you commit a crime, your whole family dies. Yes, that would all be cause to condemn us.

"But there is one key reason why you should not condemn us. You should not condemn us because I am God. And would you condemn God? I think not. Good night everyone, and if you condemn us, it may be your last night."

[Talkistan]

OOC: Since this is not a real world nation with a real world population of real live people, I refuse to condemn a nation based on its alleged human rights violations alone. I have puppets that do just as bad with their subjects.

IC: Talkistan is unaware of these alleged human rights violations and since our Department of Spying on Foreign Governments is swamped with a backlog of documents, we will be unable/unwilling to investigate at this moment in time. We wish the people of Gregoryisgodistan all the very best and hope that their alleged current state of oppression is more enjoyable than this SC proposal was.

[Merchpolis]

OOC: Condemning player nations sets a poor precedent and doesn't actually do anything.

[San Jose Guayabal]

OOC: Condemning player nations sets a poor precedent and doesn't actually do anything.

I'm aware of it, no need of your comment, thank you.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I could be mistaken, but as far as I am aware there is no thread ownership in the SC. Provided people are following the site rules they are at liberty to post their comments whether you like them or not.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I could be mistaken, but as far as I am aware there is no thread ownership in the SC. Provided people are following the site rules they are at liberty to post their comments whether you like them or not.

Quite. And, because almost all the major delegates vote based on gameplay in the Security Council, this won't pass.

[San Jose Guayabal]

I could be mistaken, but as far as I am aware there is no thread ownership in the SC. Provided people are following the site rules they are at liberty to post their comments whether you like them or not.

I have not asked ownership of this, why I would like to own a thread? I don't feel anything to the comments, what I try to avoid is needless posting, I can't be clearer with this.

[Topid]

It appears you are under the impression your judgement on what should be posted here matters more than any one else. This is not the case, you have no more authority over determining what is "needless" in this thread than I do, because there is no thread ownership here. You're just a participant in this debate- like everyone else.

Anywho, as someone who's been around the WA, and the Security Council specifically, for a long time, I try to give helpful advice in these types of threads. As I see it, you're going about this all wrong. Posters have repeatedly indicated here that doing in-character bad deeds is not enough alone to earn their vote for a condemnation. And you might not believe it- but that has been historically true. Nations who get condemned for in-character reasons usually obtain that status because the author (and possibly others the nominee has RPed with) convince the active people here that the player behind the nation is exceptionally good at/clever/devoted to Role-Playing a bad character.

This has gone all sorts of wonkers- but if you intend to reset the debate on the right course that's how I would suggest you steer it: Why is Gregoryisgodistan an exceptional RPer, beyond just things that have happened in the RPed stories he has participated.

[Ndaku]

The Interplanetary Federation supports this proposal wholeheartedly as they recognize the Gregoryisgodistani government as a heretical, wicked, dangerous, and senseless government. They also pose a threat to halt the expansion and progression of humans in our universe, and they are a negative isolated influence on the international/interplanetary stage.