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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:06 am

"This resolution is now at vote."
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:19 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:We're allowed to link stuff in proposals now?!

Technically, or legally?

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Postby Europe and Oceania » Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:47 pm

We voted against this.
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Postby Melon feud » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:24 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:If mandating that only costs be recovered, then what is the incentive for labs to undertake the extensive, as well as expensive, seed modifications? If you are trying to drive them out of business this would be one very good way to do it.
If they make modifications which improve the plant and increase the crop yield, whats the problem with them profiting from it? The farmers will, the distributors will, the stores selling it will. Is it only the labs who will not. Or is that the goal, drive that evil "big pharma" out of business?


I voted 'for' this resolution,, I see it as a lock on the worlds food supply ( starve out the six to seven billion reproducing mouth beathers) even if it takes three years to complete that objective, there are truly insidious and evil people WITH AN AGENDA in this world.

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Postby Melon feud » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:24 pm

(Cleaning up a double-tap post. Sorry.)
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Postby Sciongrad » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:29 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:We're allowed to link stuff in proposals now?!

Technically, or legally?

OOC: Legally. That's been against the rules for as long as I can remember.
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Sedgistan
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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:30 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Technically, or legally?

OOC: Legally. That's been against the rules for as long as I can remember.

I had thought that linking to the in-game resolutions was legal. I may be mis-remembering from the SC, but I did think it'd been applied in the GA too.

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:38 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Technically, or legally?

OOC: Legally. That's been against the rules for as long as I can remember.

OOC: There's nothing in the GA rules about links.
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

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The Sky Pineapple
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Postby The Sky Pineapple » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:09 pm

After much discussion, the delegation of The Sky Pineapple has decided to vote against this proposal for the following reason:
-Deciding that the wording of the proposal is extremely vague and unclear, failing to explain the dangers of GURT technology, and additionally concerned with he presence of at least one typo in the resolution and the vague nature of regulations suggested
-Opposing the regulation of any GM technology, being a nation whose very nature makes non-GM farming an impossibility
-Being fully capable of moderating the industrialization of farming within its own borders

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Sciongrad
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Postby Sciongrad » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:16 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:OOC: Legally. That's been against the rules for as long as I can remember.

OOC: There's nothing in the GA rules about links.

OOC: there was an unannounced change, then, because I know for a fact links have not always been allowed. It should be quite telling that this is so extremely unusual that I can't recall any other resolution ever making it to vote with a link included.
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Excidium Planetis
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:30 pm

Sedgistan wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:OOC: Legally. That's been against the rules for as long as I can remember.

I had thought that linking to the in-game resolutions was legal. I may be mis-remembering from the SC, but I did think it'd been applied in the GA too.


I remember the rules saying something about how offsite links could eventually become dead links, which doesn't look good in resolutions.

EDIT:
However, on site links should be legal, especially since nation links are good. As CD only used links to NS resolutions, then I don't see a problem here.
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:32 pm

We're discussing this. In the meantime, is there a good reason why linking to a past resolution and its repeal should be illegal? Unlike links to external, forumside or dispatch URLs, the contents of those links can't be changed.

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Postby Sciongrad » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:41 pm

Wrapper wrote:We're discussing this. In the meantime, is there a good reason why linking to a past resolution and its repeal should be illegal? Unlike links to external, forumside or dispatch URLs, the contents of those links can't be changed.

OOC: No, there isn't a good reason to prohibit onsite links, I just wasn't sure when this rule changed.
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Postby Tahkranul » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:52 pm

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What a strange way to run a country.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:56 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Wrapper wrote:We're discussing this. In the meantime, is there a good reason why linking to a past resolution and its repeal should be illegal? Unlike links to external, forumside or dispatch URLs, the contents of those links can't be changed.

OOC: No, there isn't a good reason to prohibit onsite links, I just wasn't sure when this rule changed.

OOC: Concurred.

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:11 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:OOC: There's nothing in the GA rules about links.

OOC: there was an unannounced change, then, because I know for a fact links have not always been allowed. It should be quite telling that this is so extremely unusual that I can't recall any other resolution ever making it to vote with a link included.

OOC: Well, that must have happened a long time ago, because I archived the rules from right before the most recent changes, and there is no mention of links there either.
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:14 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Indeed. One good insurrection every once in a while never hurt anyone!"

"Well, you know, except the people that die." Schultz casually remarks from her swivel chair.

Tahkranul wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Indeed. One good insurrection every once in a while never hurt anyone!"

"Except for the thousands who died in the Revolution," Este murmurs into her microphone. "And the million or more in the 400 years of preceding failed attempts."

Ogenbond waves away the complaints. "Aw, come on, don't be such downers." He goes back to throwing darts at a picture of a particularly unfavorable Wallenburgian politician.
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:03 pm

Tekeristan cannot support this bill, as sterile seeds prevent the potential for uncontrolled spread of geneticly altered crops.

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The Skye Corporation
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Postby The Skye Corporation » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:03 pm

This proposal is in opposition of the best interests of The Skye Corporation, and thus we are against it.

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Sciongrad
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Postby Sciongrad » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:25 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:OOC: there was an unannounced change, then, because I know for a fact links have not always been allowed. It should be quite telling that this is so extremely unusual that I can't recall any other resolution ever making it to vote with a link included.

OOC: Well, that must have happened a long time ago, because I archived the rules from right before the most recent changes, and there is no mention of links there either.

OOC: Within the last 6 years, at least.
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Postby Mattopilos » Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:48 pm

Given all our farms are products of the people, and therefore no individual is at a disadvantage from another farmer, we found this proposal redundant, anti-GM, and against our best interests. We reject this proposal.
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Postby Tinfect » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:00 pm

OOC:
Looking at that vote, and seeing as how the only reason it appears to have made it to vote is the second coming of the Rubber Stamp Brigade, I think we can consider this one safely stomped.
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Postby 12 Gauge Diplomacy » Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:20 pm

Suicide seeds cannot spread to other farms as they cannot reproduce therefore cannot spread from where they were planted :ugeek:

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:19 am

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Looking at that vote, and seeing as how the only reason it appears to have made it to vote is the second coming of the Rubber Stamp Brigade, I think we can consider this one safely stomped.


I was honestly surprised. At 22 hours left (when I started the counter campaign) it needed 6 approvals. At 9 hours left, it needed 8 approvals. So I went to bed prepared for it to be quietly defeated.

And then I woke up and it was at vote.
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Postby Smolstrom » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:24 am

By the format of this voting and wording of the question, are we voting for as in, against suicide seeds, or for as in, they're fine?

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