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[PASSED] Repeal "Humanitarian Aid Expansion Act"

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Postby Tinfect » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:52 pm

Belmaria wrote:OOC: And this type of completely unrealistic roleplay is allowed?


OOC:
I work damn hard to keep it reasonable, believe it or not, and if I remember correctly, prevailing opinion around here is that I've been reasonably successful in it. You can examine my post history here if you feel like vetting that claim.

In any case, it isn't too unrealistic to suggest that likely disorganized, probably untrained, and almost universally under-equipped foreigners descending upon a Nation for 'Humanitarian' reasons would just cause problems, especially if there is already a National, organized, trained, and properly equipped Disaster Mitigation operation already underway. The Imperium just has a significantly greater reason to.

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Belmaria wrote:If nations can be as technologically advanced as yours, surely you are not alone. If other civilizations that are as technologically advanced as yours opt to help, you should not be allowed to turn them away from a moral standpoint. That would be deprivation of necessary aid, and would be unnecessarily cruel to your people.


"Ambassador, the Imperium is quite alone within its region of space, those Civilizations which formerly shared it no longer exist, those few that do, are not nearly as advanced as the Imperium, and entirely unwilling to come to the aid of a Civilization known for Genocide, especially considering that all known civilizations bordering the Exterior Territories were the victims of such.

In any case, were some similarly advanced Civilization to show up at our Shield Worlds, and demand access to the Interior Territories that has been denied to all foreigners for over 70 years, for 'humanitarian' reasons, the Imperium would be more than justified to turn them away. Their Personnel may be sufficiently unfamiliar with Human Physiology so as to be an, albeit unintentional, threat to the survival of Imperial Civilians. Their personnel are almost certain to lack comprehension of the language of the Imperium, and may even lack the capability to speak it due to their physiology. Further, these foreign personnel are untrained with the usage of Imperial Medical Technologies, and the improper usage of such will absolutely pose a great threat to civilian survival, and thus, would not be allowed to utilize Imperial Medical Technologies, and thus, not be authorized to perform medical care when necessary. Further, these likely inhuman foreigners will not be welcome to many Imperial Citizens, and this may result in Civilians refusing the assistance of the foreign personnel, or attacking them out of fear for their safety. As a result, we would be morally obligated to turn them away, to ensure the safety of both their personnel, and our civilians.

Further, these foreigners may pose a security risk, as their presence in the Interior Territories will likely reveal the positioning and construction of Imperial Defensive Installations, allowing their possibly hostile government to develop countermeasures for such. Their proximity to reconstruction efforts may be utilized to acquire information on Imperial Construction and Armour Materials, so as to develop weapons effective against them. Further, these foreign personnel may utilize information acquired from the observation of Imperial Personnel to develop knowledge of Imperial Strategy and Organization, which may be utilized against the Imperium in possible future conflicts. Thus, the Imperium is morally obligated to turn the foreigners away so as to protect the Imperial Citizenry in the future."
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Postby Normlpeople » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:54 pm

OOC: We're nearing threadjack territory. If you want to continue we should take it to telegram.

IC: "Your opinion VS mine means nothing Ambassador." Clover said coldly "You, and a supposed 'majority' of WA nations are not the Gnomes that verify our compliance."

"You have done nothing to convince me the resolution is correct or worthy of keeping around. I hope a proper one can be re-drafted post-repeal, but my support of this repeal stands."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:43 am

Belmaria wrote:
Normlpeople wrote:
If that is your government's position, you will be in violation of a number of human rights resolutions passed by the WA.


"Feel free to tell me which ones" Clover said. "Oh, and don't worry about the inspection teams. Regardless of your inability to trust in national governments to provide for thier people, the Princess genuinely cares for her subjects and ensures appropriate precautions are taken for thier protection. That was the case even before we joined the WA."

In the case of medical aid being restricted in the fashion you describe, it would be illegal under the resolution "Medical Provisions in Blockade". In the case of aid in general, ironically enough, "Access to Humanitarian Aid" would also forbid you from hindering the rendition of aid after a disaster.

So best of luck defying international law.


"Hey, kiddo, I wrote it. That applies to conflict areas only, regions by their nature contested. There also exists a mechanism to turn criminals and security threats away, because I ensured humanitarian aid workers that enter a conflict zone must be unarmed and neutral. This has no such requirement. It also doesn't require the aid be from out of the nation. If you're going to cite my law, take an opportunity to bloody well read it."
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Postby Saveyou Island » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:18 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Belmaria wrote:In the case of medical aid being restricted in the fashion you describe, it would be illegal under the resolution "Medical Provisions in Blockade". In the case of aid in general, ironically enough, "Access to Humanitarian Aid" would also forbid you from hindering the rendition of aid after a disaster.

So best of luck defying international law.


"Hey, kiddo, I wrote it."

OOC: oh that's just a brilliant exchange there
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:21 am

Saveyou Island wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
"Hey, kiddo, I wrote it."

OOC: oh that's just a brilliant exchange there

OOC: Way to snip out the rest of the argument. :roll:

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Postby Saveyou Island » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:22 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Saveyou Island wrote:OOC: oh that's just a brilliant exchange there

OOC: Way to snip out the rest of the argument. :roll:

Oh it wasn't meant against you, I thought it was hilarious he was incorrectly using your own resolution against you, lol.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:25 am

Saveyou Island wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Way to snip out the rest of the argument. :roll:

Oh it wasn't meant against you, I thought it was hilarious he was incorrectly using your own resolution against you, lol.

OOC: My mistake! Tone isn't easy to read on this. I mistook you. :blush:

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Postby Demonos » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:32 am

Honored Members of The World Assembly,

We vote for the resolution in question and follow the guidance of our regional delegate.

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Postby Saveyou Island » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:59 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Saveyou Island wrote:Oh it wasn't meant against you, I thought it was hilarious he was incorrectly using your own resolution against you, lol.

OOC: My mistake! Tone isn't easy to read on this. I mistook you. :blush:

OOC: No worries, I probably would've made the same mistake as you there :P

IC: "I voted against the resolution in question as soon as it hit the voting stage, and supported this repeal from the moment it entered the forum. I will be voting FOR this repeal."
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Postby Evil Eagle » Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:53 pm

I'm voting against this, and everything else until the WA gets it's act together and stops passing resolutions only to repeal them a month later.

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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:59 pm

The are two reasons this repeal exists:
1. The ulterior motives and semi-hidden political opinions of the author
2. The gullibility of thousands of members of the WA

I encourage all WA members to vote against the proposal, although I expect that most of them won't even visit this debate; much less read this post.
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Postby Normlpeople » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:29 pm

Belmaria wrote:The are two reasons this repeal exists:
1. The ulterior motives and semi-hidden political opinions of the author
2. The gullibility of thousands of members of the WA

I encourage all WA members to vote against the proposal, although I expect that most of them won't even visit this debate; much less read this post.


"Theres only one" Clover said, on her way to the bar. "That is that Ambassador Parsons believed the original resolution on the books was horribly flawed and required repeal, as its presence was actually detrimental for a nations well-being. A large number of voters seem to agree"
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:33 pm

Normlpeople wrote:
Belmaria wrote:The are two reasons this repeal exists:
1. The ulterior motives and semi-hidden political opinions of the author
2. The gullibility of thousands of members of the WA

I encourage all WA members to vote against the proposal, although I expect that most of them won't even visit this debate; much less read this post.


"Theres only one" Clover said, on her way to the bar. "That is that Ambassador Parsons believed the original resolution on the books was horribly flawed and required repeal, as its presence was actually detrimental for a nations well-being. A large number of voters seem to agree"

Most WA members would vote for a proposal to repeal our declaration of human rights if given a seemingly legitimate reason for it. Most WA members are, indeed, very gullible.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:35 pm

Evil Eagle wrote:I'm voting against this, and everything else until the WA gets it's act together and stops passing resolutions only to repeal them a month later.

"Well aren't you petty, Ambassador. Our good friend Ambassador Parsons writes an excellent repeal to remove terrible legislation, and you vote against it because you are tired of people trying to repeal awful legislation. Please, sir, set your priorities straight."
Belmaria wrote:
Normlpeople wrote:
"Theres only one" Clover said, on her way to the bar. "That is that Ambassador Parsons believed the original resolution on the books was horribly flawed and required repeal, as its presence was actually detrimental for a nations well-being. A large number of voters seem to agree"

Most WA members would vote for a proposal to repeal our declaration of human rights if given a seemingly legitimate reason for it. Most WA members are, indeed, very gullible.

"We have no 'Declaration of Human Rights', Ambassador."
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Postby Belmaria » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:45 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Evil Eagle wrote:I'm voting against this, and everything else until the WA gets it's act together and stops passing resolutions only to repeal them a month later.

"Well aren't you petty, Ambassador. Our good friend Ambassador Parsons writes an excellent repeal to remove terrible legislation, and you vote against it because you are tired of people trying to repeal awful legislation. Please, sir, set your priorities straight."
Belmaria wrote:Most WA members would vote for a proposal to repeal our declaration of human rights if given a seemingly legitimate reason for it. Most WA members are, indeed, very gullible.

"We have no 'Declaration of Human Rights', Ambassador."

We have a resolution which defines basic human rights in member states, and requires that members treat all citizens equally under the law.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:55 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Well aren't you petty, Ambassador. Our good friend Ambassador Parsons writes an excellent repeal to remove terrible legislation, and you vote against it because you are tired of people trying to repeal awful legislation. Please, sir, set your priorities straight."

"We have no 'Declaration of Human Rights', Ambassador."

We have a resolution which defines basic human rights in member states, and requires that members treat all citizens equally under the law.

"Actually, we do not. We have 'Charter of Civil Rights', but that in no way defines any sort of 'human' rights."
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:59 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Belmaria wrote:We have a resolution which defines basic human rights in member states, and requires that members treat all citizens equally under the law.

"Actually, we do not. We have 'Charter of Civil Rights', but that in no way defines any sort of 'human' rights."


Just out of curiosity, isn't there a resolution that defines the rights of sapient species? I remember stumbling across one when browsing the General Assembly resolutions but I can't seem to find it.

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Postby Normlpeople » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:14 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Normlpeople wrote:
"Theres only one" Clover said, on her way to the bar. "That is that Ambassador Parsons believed the original resolution on the books was horribly flawed and required repeal, as its presence was actually detrimental for a nations well-being. A large number of voters seem to agree"

Most WA members would vote for a proposal to repeal our declaration of human rights if given a seemingly legitimate reason for it. Most WA members are, indeed, very gullible.


"So they were completely correct in voting for the orginal proposal but are suddenly gullible while voting for this repeal? Your logic is confusing here." Clover said "Oh, and as mentioned, we have no human rights legislation. Your racism is noted."

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"Actually, we do not. We have 'Charter of Civil Rights', but that in no way defines any sort of 'human' rights."


Just out of curiosity, isn't there a resolution that defines the rights of sapient species? I remember stumbling across one when browsing the General Assembly resolutions but I can't seem to find it.

OOC: There really needs to be a way to search the world assembly for certain words.


Clover smiled "We do indeed. GAR 355. Written by the same author as this repeal in fact.

OOC: You can. Read the 'passed resolutions' sticky. You can even search that thread for words.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:24 pm

Normlpeople wrote:Clover smiled "We do indeed. GAR 355. Written by the same author as this repeal in fact.

"Um, Ambassador, what are you talking about? 'Rights of Sapient Species' is Ambassador Schultz's work, and I don't recall it enumerating civil liberties."
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Postby Normlpeople » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:37 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Normlpeople wrote:Clover smiled "We do indeed. GAR 355. Written by the same author as this repeal in fact.

"Um, Ambassador, what are you talking about? 'Rights of Sapient Species' is Ambassador Schultz's work, and I don't recall it enumerating civil liberties."


OOC: Derp. IA only maintains the thread....no idea how I mixed that up.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:11 pm

Normlpeople wrote:OOC: Derp. IA only maintains the thread....no idea how I mixed that up.

OOC: Would be pretty impressive indeed if I wrote every single World Assembly resolution. Would also be utterly schizophrenic, passing things and then immediately repealing them a few weeks later...
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Postby Koopa-Toadaria » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:50 am

Koopa-Toadaria votes Repeal, as the resolution in question made the leader vomit on the document.

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Postby Persepo » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:58 am

Belmaria wrote:The are two reasons this repeal exists:
1. The ulterior motives and semi-hidden political opinions of the author
2. The gullibility of thousands of members of the WA

I encourage all WA members to vote against the proposal, although I expect that most of them won't even visit this debate; much less read this post.


I believe these were the reasons why the resolution actually passed.

Nonetheless, the WA shouldn't use humanitarian aid to enter into its member countries and force domestic policy. The original resolution gave host nations a blanket "security checks" option, but also stated that host nations couldn't interfere with humanitarian work. With no standards to guide host nations, the WA could abuse its powers by calling a valid "security check" "interference." If the WA wants to provide aid, they'll need stricter guidelines than a broad grant of power.

This repeal has Persepo's full support.

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Postby Oceanias Michael Moore » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:41 am

We voted against this.
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Postby Potted Plants United » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:25 am

OOC: Just a short OOC note that I voted for, due to reasons given in the target resolution's drafting thread.
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