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Rich thorn
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Postby Rich thorn » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:00 am

Due to the fact that I am now a native I fully support this proposal

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Postby The Rouge Christmas State » Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:25 am

Full support when this is proposed.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:46 pm

Yodle wrote:New natives?? Are you kidding me? They're not natives, there's no community there and they are invaders. The region is just another trophy now. If you consider holding puppets in a region that you have no intent of actually using or establishing anything as grounds to be called NATIVES then you have no idea what you're talking about.

The founder is always a native because natives are those with the most influence in a region and the founder has infinite influence. NSA is the founder. Therefore, NSA is a native. He supports the repeal. Therefore, there is native support. Where are the flaws in this logic chain?

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Postby DAFT Universe » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:31 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Yodle wrote:New natives?? Are you kidding me? They're not natives, there's no community there and they are invaders. The region is just another trophy now. If you consider holding puppets in a region that you have no intent of actually using or establishing anything as grounds to be called NATIVES then you have no idea what you're talking about.

The founder is always a native because natives are those with the most influence in a region and the founder has infinite influence. NSA is the founder. Therefore, NSA is a native. He supports the repeal. Therefore, there is native support. Where are the flaws in this logic chain?


Yep. Absolutly flawless.

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Postby Yodle » Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:07 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Yodle wrote:New natives?? Are you kidding me? They're not natives, there's no community there and they are invaders. The region is just another trophy now. If you consider holding puppets in a region that you have no intent of actually using or establishing anything as grounds to be called NATIVES then you have no idea what you're talking about.

The founder is always a native because natives are those with the most influence in a region and the founder has infinite influence. NSA is the founder. Therefore, NSA is a native. He supports the repeal. Therefore, there is native support. Where are the flaws in this logic chain?

... So by your logic as soon as a native is banned/ejected from their region they're no longer a native of that region since they no longer have influence in the region? Okay. I'll be sure to quote you later.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:15 pm

Yodle wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:The founder is always a native because natives are those with the most influence in a region and the founder has infinite influence. NSA is the founder. Therefore, NSA is a native. He supports the repeal. Therefore, there is native support. Where are the flaws in this logic chain?

... So by your logic as soon as a native is banned/ejected from their region they're no longer a native of that region since they no longer have influence in the region? Okay. I'll be sure to quote you later.

That's not even remotely what IA said.
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Postby Yodle » Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:07 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Yodle wrote:... So by your logic as soon as a native is banned/ejected from their region they're no longer a native of that region since they no longer have influence in the region? Okay. I'll be sure to quote you later.

That's not even remotely what IA said.

Think about it, he's saying a native is someone who has a lot of influence in the region, if they're no longer within the region they no longer have influence, making them no longer a native. I'm taking his logic and showing how it's a stupid definition for a "native"
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:43 pm

Yodle wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:That's not even remotely what IA said.

Think about it, he's saying a native is someone who has a lot of influence in the region, if they're no longer within the region they no longer have influence, making them no longer a native. I'm taking his logic and showing how it's a stupid definition for a "native"

You don't have to be in a region to have influence on it.
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Postby Liddell Hart » Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:32 am

Yodle wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:That's not even remotely what IA said.

Think about it, he's saying a native is someone who has a lot of influence in the region, if they're no longer within the region they no longer have influence, making them no longer a native. I'm taking his logic and showing how it's a stupid definition for a "native"

When a nation leaves a region, either voluntarily or by forced means, their accrued influence begins to decay every update until it is gone. I don't think it is accurate to say founder's have infinite influence in technical terms, but they always have access to region controls whether they are in the region or not, and it never cost them influence to make changes to the region.

Honestly, your best shot at liberating your old region was for all of you to keep your native nations in the region, forcing us to spend our influence trying to eject/ban you all. You could just have easily set up your more secure second home and moved new nations there. By evacuating the region, you basically handed it over. Seeing recent Fenda successes, I imagine you could have rallied some support for a liberation attempt.

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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:47 pm

I have to work this afternoon, so I will be submitting this tomorrow afternoon.
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Postby Panzer Vier » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:07 am

Nooo, my shiny liberate badge D:

I fully support the repeal, though. Shouldn't have come to a liberation in the first place, considering the native exodus.
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Postby Imperium American » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:04 am

I fully support this resolution.

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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:06 pm

Right, I guess I'm not the only one who forgot to do this, so:

Repeal "Liberate The Place that has No Big Banks" was passed 11,617 votes to 2,578.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:58 pm

Thanks for taking this on, NSA - much appreciated. My RL schedule really didn't permit me to see this through to the end.
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