[DEFEATED] Repeal "Preventing Animal Abuse"

[Imperium Anglorum]

P.S I hope you don't mind poliomyelitis, rubella, tetanus and millions of other naturally occuring and potentially LETHAL microbial infections, which could have been prevented and saved your lives IF ONLY you allowed for animal experimentation with these diseases to take place.

I was not talking about Fiscis. We don't do animal testing here, as we do human testing as a form of capital punishment. Animal experimentation should be legal if there are no alternatives.

Parsons: 375 GA 'Crime and Punishment' requires member nations to ban any form of execution that involves any physical pain or suffering that would be unnecessary to achieve a quick and relatively painless death.

[Fiscis]

I was not talking about Fiscis. We don't do animal testing here, as we do human testing as a form of capital punishment. Animal experimentation should be legal if there are no alternatives.

Parsons: 375 GA 'Crime and Punishment' requires member nations to ban any form of execution that involves any physical pain or suffering that would be unnecessary to achieve a quick and relatively painless death.

That is why I am trying to repeal it.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Parsons: 375 GA 'Crime and Punishment' requires member nations to ban any form of execution that involves any physical pain or suffering that would be unnecessary to achieve a quick and relatively painless death.

That is why I am trying to repeal it.

Attempting to repeal it does not mean you can ignore it. From the FAQ: "Unfortunately you can't obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest".

[Fiscis]

That is why I am trying to repeal it.

Attempting to repeal it does not mean you can ignore it. From the FAQ: "Unfortunately you can't obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest".

Again, why do you think I am trying to repeal it? Because right now my own law is overridden.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Attempting to repeal it does not mean you can ignore it. From the FAQ: "Unfortunately you can't obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest".

Again, why do you think I am trying to repeal it? Because right now my own law is overridden.

Well, if that is true, then this:

We don't do animal testing here, as we do human testing as a form of capital punishment.

Cannot be true. Which is it?

[Fiscis]

Again, why do you think I am trying to repeal it? Because right now my own law is overridden.

Well, if that is true, then this:

We don't do animal testing here, as we do human testing as a form of capital punishment.

Cannot be true. Which is it?

That is the first time you haven't mentioned the FAQ or another Resolution to me, Congrats!

So, I have a law that says I do human testing as a form of capital punishment. The World Assembly won't let me right now. That means it is still a law, but is overridden. Now, are you going to throw more FAQ at me or actually talk about what the topic is?

[Excidium Planetis]

So, I have a law that says I do human testing as a form of capital punishment. The World Assembly won't let me right now. That means it is still a law, but is overridden. Now, are you going to throw more FAQ at me or actually talk about what the topic is?

That's not how the WA works. When a WA resolution is passed, a member nation must change its laws to comply with the new resolution.

Surely you've read those little telegrams the WA sends you every 4 days on average?

[Ovybia]

"Ovybia is saddened to see that this repeal is failing. Animal testing is an important experimental medical tool. Without the testing, medical progress is greatly inhibited."

[Topolyce]

Yea, why?

Why? Because there is a moral necessity in protecting the rights of those who cannot speak for themselves. Animals deserve a level of decency we would be removing, should we allow this heinous legislation to pass.

Yo, did you not hear me, this resolution will be passed again as a revised version!

You need to LISTEN!!!

[Ghostopolis]

Deputy Ambassador Graves, a white silhouette of a man (and what one might consider a typical ghost of a human male), walks through the door to the chamber, as well as every person who crosses his path, sending a chill through them as he does so.

"Delegates, ambassadors, guests, thank you for hearing me out. On behalf of my nation as acting delegate of The Versutian Federation, I cast my vote against the resolution "Repeal "Preventing Animal Abuse."" While we believe the argument advanced by this repeal is a perfect example of the unintended consequences that may result from the overbroad language we were concerned with when the original resolution came to a vote, we also believe that a reasonable nation can interpret the resolution in such a way that animal testing may still be possible. This legal question is significant, however, and had there been a replacement resolution ready to go to replace it that would address this overbroad language, we would have preferred to go that route. As it is, we join the majority of our region in supporting the original resolution, imperfect as it is, with the fervent hope that we may yet see a superior resolution that avoids such a thorny question altogether. I thank you for your time."

[South Sacred Sauce]

South Sacred Sauce believes GA resolution #372 doesn't affects "animal testing in medical breakthroughs" as claimed by this reppeal, as it doesn't requires nations to "arrest children for burning ants". Isn't hard to our judges to make precedence under our common law system. We don't need to repeal #372 afraid of someone lacking of good-faith interpretation and getting stuck on exceptions. Sorry for other countries that cannot forget the ant example... but your judiciary seems to have too much free time to stick on this never ending argument of no weight.

[Araraukar]

Isn't hard to our judges to make precedence under our common law system.

Not all nations allow for such precedences to guide how the law is read. Some will apply the law according to the letter of the law.

[South Sacred Sauce]

[...] the GA is not a lawmaking entity in itself. It does not produce laws, it produces directives to create law. [...]

Not all nations allow for such precedences to guide how the law is read. Some will apply the law according to the letter of the law.

Agreeing with Separatist Peoples on how GA works, it is simple to resolve those nations problem of not allowing precedences: they should write their long list of exceptions on their laws to make sure they enlist all those important issues like children killing ants.

We are sorry if we seemed to harshy. We just think GA resolution #372 doesn't affect things the way people are trying to say. We ensure this animal abuse preventing is applied here while keeping good-faith interpretation of this resolution.

And sorry for our english errors, it's not SSS language.

[Sanders Centre]

PRESIDENT SANDERS ADDRESSES ANIMAL CRUELTY
"Seeing that this disastrous bill is going to fail, now would be a good time to begin looking at how to truly address the heart of the problem. The reason I opposed this legislation is because no suitable replacement. I would be happy to work with any leader to construct a replacement bill to have on hand. Do I have any takers?!"

[Imperium Anglorum]

Parsons: My god, it's like Crufts in here.

[Separatist Peoples]

PRESIDENT SANDERS ADDRESSES ANIMAL CRUELTY
"Seeing that this disastrous bill is going to fail, now would be a good time to begin looking at how to truly address the heart of the problem. The reason I opposed this legislation is because no suitable replacement. I would be happy to work with any leader to construct a replacement bill to have on hand. Do I have any takers?!"

"Not if it involves working with somebody by the name of Sanders, no.

"It is disappointing to see this fail. We look forward to the next repeal attempt, and hope that it also fails to use cultural relativism as an argument. The Railanan delegation has our unending gratitude for not going that route."

[Firsthome]

100% agree. Animal testing is very, very important, and there is no reason that animals should take priority over humans.

We of Firsthome believe endangered species take priority over humans, as there are less of them than us, and will vote against this until you show us the revised bill.

[Silurians]

100% agree. Animal testing is very, very important, and there is no reason that animals should take priority over humans.

We of Firsthome believe endangered species take priority over humans, as there are less of them than us.

When did anybody ever mention endangered species? Indeed, they may be used for experiments, but in almost every case, animals that are far from extinction are used. When have you heard of peregrine falcons being used for research?

[Railana]

"It is disappointing to see this fail. We look forward to the next repeal attempt, and hope that it also fails to use cultural relativism as an argument. The Railanan delegation has our unending gratitude for not going that route."

((OOC: The next repeal attempt -- likely by IA -- will almost certainly be more successful than mine. I know of at least one GCR delegate who would have voted in favour of the repeal, but voted against simply because I wrote it. I wonder how many other delegates have a similar policy. ))

[Sciongrad]

"It is disappointing to see this fail. We look forward to the next repeal attempt, and hope that it also fails to use cultural relativism as an argument. The Railanan delegation has our unending gratitude for not going that route."

((OOC: The next repeal attempt -- likely by IA -- will almost certainly be more successful than mine. I know of at least one GCR delegate who would have voted in favour of the repeal, but voted against simply because I wrote it. I wonder how many other delegates have a similar policy. ))

OOC: I'm vehemently opposed to this repeal, IC and OOC, but that's despicable. People who vote on resolutions based on the author literally ruin this section of the game.

[Wallenburg]

PRESIDENT SANDERS ADDRESSES ANIMAL CRUELTY
"Seeing that this disastrous bill is going to fail, now would be a good time to begin looking at how to truly address the heart of the problem. The reason I opposed this legislation is because no suitable replacement. I would be happy to work with any leader to construct a replacement bill to have on hand. Do I have any takers?!"

"Not if it involves working with somebody by the name of Sanders, no."

"Ambassador, personal and arbitrary attacks have no place in this chamber. After all, there are far more things in the president's argument that are open to easy attack."

[Excidium Planetis]

"It is disappointing to see this fail. We look forward to the next repeal attempt, and hope that it also fails to use cultural relativism as an argument. The Railanan delegation has our unending gratitude for not going that route."

((OOC: The next repeal attempt -- likely by IA -- will almost certainly be more successful than mine. I know of at least one GCR delegate who would have voted in favour of the repeal, but voted against simply because I wrote it. I wonder how many other delegates have a similar policy. ))

I guessed as much for the repeal GA#2 attempt. Now we know for sure that that is indeed a policy for some delegates.

[Oceanias Elena Inge Dreyden]

PRESIDENT SANDERS ADDRESSES ANIMAL CRUELTY
"Seeing that this disastrous bill is going to fail, now would be a good time to begin looking at how to truly address the heart of the problem. The reason I opposed this legislation is because no suitable replacement. I would be happy to work with any leader to construct a replacement bill to have on hand. Do I have any takers?!"

"Not if it involves working with somebody by the name of Sanders, no.

Jeez, if this reflects your real life beliefs then are you one of those typical American right-wing "commie/pinko"-fearing Americans?

This country (U.S.) should have socialized medicine.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Not if it involves working with somebody by the name of Sanders, no.

Jeez, if this reflects your real life beliefs then are you one of those typical American right-wing "commie/pinko"-fearing Americans?

This country (U.S.) should have socialized medicine.

OOC: one can oppose Bernie Sanders and still be a classical liberal or even a leftist. Categorically reducing it to a black and white dichotomy does you no favors. Kindly avoid generalizing so very, very poorly.

[Europe and Oceania]

Jeez, if this reflects your real life beliefs then are you one of those typical American right-wing "commie/pinko"-fearing Americans?

This country (U.S.) should have socialized medicine.

OOC: one can oppose Bernie Sanders and still be a classical liberal or even a leftist. Categorically reducing it to a black and white dichotomy does you no favors. Kindly avoid generalizing so very, very poorly.

Yeah, I prefer black and white. I don't believe in "centrism" either. "Centrist" or "third position" is just code for fascism to me.

See the thing is, I assumed you are a right-winger because you have "Anyone but Bernie 2016" in your sig and you seem to
have this extreme animosity for Bernie such as the comment you made about his name. If you were just a leftist or "classical" liberal who
doesn't support Bernie Sanders, you probably wouldn't have something like that in your sig or have this deep-seated hatred or disdain for
Bernie unless you were on the right. So, my assumption was that you are a conservative.

Oh, and classical liberalism, in my opinion, is more like conservative-libertarianism or just libertarianism.

I don't understand this notion on NS of people using the "classical liberalism" label to attempt to negate or nullify or somehow lessen attacks
from other actual modern liberals who attack some of their disgusting conservative views, remember that "classical liberalism" is not
today's liberalism, hence the name, "classical" to distinguish it. Remember, we are not in the 19th century which was the century
for classical liberalism. Note, I never said one cannot be a classical liberal simply because we are not in the 19th century.

And what is wrong with my "gross generalizations"? Do you not hate or fear socialism or communism?

You, however, on the other hand, seem to be paranoid enough to prefer Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders considering
the "Anyone But Bernie" thing in your sig, especially somebody like an incompetent ignorant clown like Donald Trump over Bernie Sanders lol.
If you'd rather have Donald Trump as president over Bernie Sanders, then I doubt that you are a leftist.

I think we should TG each other before this ends up in a thread jack.