[Passed] Quarantine Regulation

[States of Glory WA Office]

OOC: If there were genuine legality concerns about this draft, why weren't they brought up before submission?

OOC: In case you haven't noticed, I've tried to find faults in the proposal all along.

OOC: Faults, yes, but not illegalities, as far as I could tell.

IC: Neville: You tell him.

Fairburn: You tell him.

Neville: No, you tell him.

Fairburn: Fine, I'll tell him. (turns to Ambassador Lockwood) We have decided to vote in favour of this fine proposal. Too bad that so many delegations like to make last-minute nitpicks.

[Christian Democrats]

Quarantine Regulation
A resolution to modify universal standards of healthcare.
For: 8,021. Against: 1,042.
Voting ends in 2 days 20 hours.

This proposal is a perfect example of the incompetence of GA voters. Anybody who takes the time to read the darn thing will see that it expresses a truism. Nations shall impose a quarantine for every disease "which is harmful and contagious enough to create the need of a quarantine."

NSS.

[New Aeries]

This proposal goes pretty extreme on all types of transmissible illnesses

[Palsada]

It does, but they people don't have a problem with it. What are you going to do, right?

[Europe and Oceania]

We voted for this.

[Free People of the World]

The common cold meets the definition for a disease that reduces the well-being of a nation. Just look at flu season.

I really don't like the requirement for "one quarantine for every epidemic." Nations will KNOW when they need to make a quarantine. When they don't it's not because they don't care, it's because of a lack of funding.

[States of Glory WA Office]

NSS.

OOC: New Star Soccer?

The common cold meets the definition for a disease that reduces the well-being of a nation. Just look at flu season.

Neville: If flu season is enough to reduce your nation's well-being in a significant manner then perhaps you need to set up quarantines.

When they don't it's not because they don't care, it's because of a lack of funding.

Fairburn: Luckily, EPARC will cover the costs in those circumstances. It's almost as if the author thought this through. Shocking, isn't it?

[Umeria]

This proposal is a perfect example of the incompetence of GA voters. Anybody who takes the time to read the darn thing will see that it expresses a truism. Nations shall impose a quarantine for every disease "which is harmful and contagious enough to create the need of a quarantine."

Some nations have different methods of controlling a disease(such as, for example, massacre of all infected persons). That clause clarifies that in the need of a quarantine, a quarantine will be created instead of a more gruesome form of disease control. So, not a truism.

[Separatist Peoples]

Bell coughs.

[Umeria]

Bell coughs.

"How am I supposed to fit all that plus what I already have here into one resolution? There have already been a few complaints that this resolution has too much material, and while adding a section on quarantined people's rights might not exceed the character limit, it certainly would turn the proposal into a confusing jumble of recursive statements. But if you really want those issues addressed..." Lockwood scribbles something on a sheet of paper, mutters "need Cubbins to make sense of this" to no one in particular, and leaves the room.

[Separatist Peoples]

Bell coughs.

"How am I supposed to fit all that plus what I already have here into one resolution? There have already been a few complaints that this resolution has too much material, and while adding a section on quarantined people's rights might not exceed the character limit, it certainly would turn the proposal into a confusing jumble of recursive statements. But if you really want those issues addressed..." Lockwood scribbles something on a sheet of paper, mutters "need Cubbins to make sense of this" to no one in particular, and leaves the room.

"That's a load of horseshit and you know it, ambassador. One line:

"Tasks EPARC with establishing a medical ethics board to review the necessity and promulgation of quarantines, and to ensure that actions taken therein are conducive to the goals of individual freedom, dignity, and well-being."

"It was that bloody easy. You could have even elaborated without taking up the rest of the thirteen-hundred characters left. You bullshit your government, and I'll bullshit mine, but let us not bullshit each other."

[Dobbs]

The region of Ebola Quarantine Zone has been created as an emergency measure, in accordance with this resolution, before this resolution even passed. Any nations interested in participating in the roleplay of that quarantine should visit the out-of-character roleplaying thread here. Nations wishing to roleplay having an Ebola outbreak should move to that region and roleplay it on the regional message board. We will also roleplay that the World Assembly is forcing us to do all of this and not allowing people in or out of our countries and the international community is not giving us enough aid and this is creating a danger for a worldwide Ebola epidemic, and that sort of thing.

If all your country has is a common cold outbreak, though, sorry, you aren't allowed to join, only countries with active Ebola outbreaks get sent to the Ebola Quarantine Zone, which, according to our roleplay, was created by the World Assembly using emergency powers that usurp its usual levels of authority, also apply to non-WA-member nations, and are being carried out before this resolution even passes, in what we will roleplay as an abuse of power by the World Assembly that will, arguably, be portrayed as necessary to save the world from the deadliest Ebola outbreak in history, necessary for the survival of humanity, even, and that controversy will be part of the roleplay. For further discussion either post in this thread or our regional message board (any nation in a region we have embassies with will be allowed to post on our regional message board).

If this measure actually ends up NOT passing, then we'll have huge problems with our roleplay since it is premised on this resolution passing. So I voted for it...

[Kryozerkia]

"Tasks EPARC with establishing a medical ethics board to review the necessity and promulgation of quarantines, and to ensure that actions taken therein are conducive to the goals of individual freedom, dignity, and well-being."

"It was that bloody easy. You could have even elaborated without taking up the rest of the thirteen-hundred characters left. You bullshit your government, and I'll bullshit mine, but let us not bullshit each other."

That would also address the issue of "any action" being widely interpreted to the point of abuse.

[Umeria]

Carlyle enters the room.

One line:

"Tasks EPARC with establishing a medical ethics board to review the necessity and promulgation of quarantines, and to ensure that actions taken therein are conducive to the goals of individual freedom, dignity, and well-being."

Considering how much criticism we've gotten for using the word "significantly" in clause 2(a), I doubt everyone will agree on the meanings of "necessity" or "dignity". Besides, your firebombing scenario wouldn't be covered by this clause, as it is not necessarily an action taken for "the necessity and promulgation of quarantines".

"It was that bloody easy. You could have even elaborated without taking up the rest of the thirteen-hundred characters left. You bullshit your government, and I'll bullshit mine, but let us not bullshit each other."

If I elaborated, and I would have to, it would become a jumbled mess. Clauses 3 and 5 already stray from the topic of quarantine maintenance; all a third unrelated clause would do is make it more confusing.

[Kryozerkia]

If I elaborated, and I would have to, it would become a jumbled mess. Clauses 3 and 5 already stray from the topic of quarantine maintenance; all a third unrelated clause would do is make it more confusing.

Those two clauses are plenty related. SP's suggestion would fit neatly in. It wouldn't need to be snuggled between any particular clauses.

[Separatist Peoples]

Carlyle enters the room.

One line:

Considering how much criticism we've gotten for using the word "significantly" in clause 2(a), I doubt everyone will agree on the meanings of "necessity" or "dignity". Besides, your firebombing scenario wouldn't be covered by this clause, as it is not necessarily an action taken for "the necessity and promulgation of quarantines".

"Yes it would, it wouldn't be actions conducive to individual freedom, dignity, or well-being. Especially the last. It would certainly be an action taken for the necessity of the quarantine, especially because all actions taken in quarantines are to the overall goal of eventually ending the quarantine. Nations don't want a quarantine to exist indefinitely, they want to resolve it. Firebombing the infected would solve it, assuming the illness is susceptible to extreme heat."

If I elaborated, and I would have to, it would become a jumbled mess. Clauses 3 and 5 already stray from the topic of quarantine maintenance; all a third unrelated clause would do is make it more confusing.

"The hell it would. The subcommittee would be given an authoritative voice on ethical considerations. All you needed to do was list the specific ethical goals, as I did, and empower the committee to act with authority to accomplish them. The details are irrelevant, because the ethical quandry would necessarily differed between every situation. Handing that duty to a committee would have negated any need to elaborate in the first place: that is what the bloody committees exist for in the first place."

[Frustrated Franciscans]

Even if people going around having sex is infectious, rather than rounding up all of these promiscuous individuals and putting them in quarantine zones, wouldn't the proper response be bringing down the wrath of god himself on mosquitos seeing as how they are be main spreader of the disease?

But that's not the issue. In order to show why I'm going to move away from Zika and move to Lyme.

Lyme disease is caused by the bacterium Borrelia burgdorferi and is transmitted to humans through the bite of infected blacklegged ticks. Typical symptoms include fever, headache, fatigue, and a characteristic skin rash called erythema migrans. If left untreated, infection can spread to joints, the heart, and the nervous system. Lyme disease is diagnosed based on symptoms, physical findings (e.g., rash), and the possibility of exposure to infected ticks. Laboratory testing is helpful if used correctly and performed with validated methods. Most cases of Lyme disease can be treated successfully with a few weeks of antibiotics. Steps to prevent Lyme disease include using insect repellent, removing ticks promptly, applying pesticides, and reducing tick habitat. The ticks that transmit Lyme disease can occasionally transmit other tickborne diseases as well.

Lyme is not communicable. There is no quarantine element in this disease whatsoever. There is nothing in this resolution that applies to Lyme because this resolution is only about communicable disease prevention. If you want a resolution that deals with Infectious diseases and the prevention of the spread of infection through bugs, WRITE IT YOURSELF!

[Little Tralfamadore]

This proposal is a perfect example of the incompetence of GA voters. Anybody who takes the time to read the darn thing will see that it expresses a truism. Nations shall impose a quarantine for every disease "which is harmful and contagious enough to create the need of a quarantine."

Some nations have different methods of controlling a disease(such as, for example, massacre of all infected persons). That clause clarifies that in the need of a quarantine, a quarantine will be created instead of a more gruesome form of disease control. So, not a truism.

But the nation decides if there is a need for a quarantine. Who is to say a quarantine can't be gruesome?

The main issue is the resolution allows for forced quaranines with no regard to basic civil rights.

Also it would allow nations to forgo trying to research a cure. How much cheaper would it be to lock everyone up with a particular disease especially if you claim it would be "difficult" to pay the costs?

How simple would it be to declare someone the state doesn't like to have a communicable disease - or if need be, give them the disease. Then the nation can claim they were required by law to lock up the person with no regard to any of a number of civil rights granted by existing GA laws

[New Nautica]

We of New Nautica have voted AGAINST this. Due to this clause:

3) Urges that all member nations, in the event of an epidemic in their nation, screen for any infected persons in that nation not yet known to be infected;

This can become a means for the council to apprehend people under ANY pretense, under the cover of a "screening". This is chilling to civil freedoms and any nation approving of this is inviting a dangerous precedent to their country.

WE WILL NOT CHANGE OUR MIND.

[Free People of the World]

Due to several issues with this proposal, the Free People of the World Congress has passed a 2/3 vote in both houses to render this proposal null and void within our country. We will cease to participate in the WA until a proposal to repeal this disastrous resolution is brought forth.

[Araraukar]

OOC: Looks like this is going to pass at a wide margin in any case, but I decided to abstain from voting on PPU, as I don't have a clear opinion either way in IC.

[Voxin Cariba]

That was a easy win

[Wallenburg]

Quarantine Regulation was passed 12,728 votes to 1,642.

Anyone have plans to repeal this thing?

[Bananaistan]

"We offer our congratulations to the Umerian delegation."

- Ted Hornwood

[Umeria]

I would like to thank everyone who voted for this, as well as all the ambassadors who helped with the draft. I couldn't have done it without you.