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by Bedany » Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:53 am
by Excidium Planetis » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:24 am
Oakster wrote:"I do Ambassador and I concede the point and thank you for allowing me to debate the proposal with you.
Turning to the World Assembly as a whole he continues
"I would like to add that as you may all be aware, although my Nation is an old and experienced one, created not long after the NationStates world came to existence, I am a new Ambassador, new to the World Assembly and to the Government of Oakster and so my inexperience has let me down today. I am honoured to be in these hallowed halls with you all, debating new legislation crafted from the brightest minds the World has to offer, and may I hope to debate with you all for a long time to come. Thank you."
Bedany wrote:We ought to leave these decisions up to the countries themselves.
The WA nowadays does not allow anyone freedom to do anything. That is why I am leaving. There have been too many occurrences where the WA has drained my economy + civil rights + political freedoms. I am sick and tired of it.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
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by Cornelia » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:10 pm
Prohibits member nations from engaging in cyberattacks themselves, with the exception that member nations may utilize cyberattacks against networks belonging to foreign combatants with which they are in conflict, or against government networks of nations they reasonably suspect pose a real threat to their nation;
This suggests that nations will have a mandate to use cyber attacks on a whim and may not even be at war with the target of the cyber attack. This poses a threat to the sovereignty of many of the smaller nations in the assembly who do not have the resources to defend themselves from such attacks. Perhaps this should be changed so that nations can perform cyber attacks on nations whom they are currently at war with, and those who are officially condemned by the security council, rather than putting the decision of who and who isn't a threat to national security down to the individual member states we fear that this wording would spark a wave of cyber attacks due to the subjective nature of the term "threat to the nation."
The amendment to allow cyber attacks only on foreign powers who one is in conflict with and the nations officially condememed by the security council would perhaps be enough to settle my peoples nerves. As our cyber security is not up to standard to defend against attacks from larger nations who may decide that we are a threat to their security.
"Not on a whim, sir, but on reasonable suspicion of a real threat. There are three requirements here: One, that a nation suspects the target nation of being a threat. This is fairly easy to meet, I'll admit. Two, that the suspicion is reasonable. This harder to meet... attacking nations just because you have an irrational fear of them is not reasonable. You must be able to logically conclude that the nation is a threat. And finally, Three, that the threat is a real threat to your nation, not simply a possible threat. So, even if you argue convincingly that the target nation shares your least defended border and has a military larger than yours, you must actually suspect that they threaten your nation in a real way, not simply that they are a possible threat."
"First of all, Condemned nation are not the only ones that pose a clear and present danger to other nations. In fact, some of the nations Condemned by the Security Council are not considered threats by my government (OmigodtheykilledKenny is not considered a threat despite being Condemned for exploiting loopholes and hating dolphins). Second, are you aware that the Security Council has Condemned only a handful of nations out of an Assembly of thousands?"
(Out of Character: The Security Council and the GA have almost nothing to do with each other. In fact, I believe mentioning the Security Council in a GA proposal is actually a rule violation.)
by Morteuphoria » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:20 pm
by Chenginese » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:41 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:Oakster wrote:"I do Ambassador and I concede the point and thank you for allowing me to debate the proposal with you.
Turning to the World Assembly as a whole he continues
"I would like to add that as you may all be aware, although my Nation is an old and experienced one, created not long after the NationStates world came to existence, I am a new Ambassador, new to the World Assembly and to the Government of Oakster and so my inexperience has let me down today. I am honoured to be in these hallowed halls with you all, debating new legislation crafted from the brightest minds the World has to offer, and may I hope to debate with you all for a long time to come. Thank you."
"Thank you, Ambassador. It is good to see more representatives here reading things with a critical eye."
(Out of Character: From a Game viewpoint, or from a Roleplay viewpoint? In the NationStates stats, an International Security: Mild resolution boosts your Law Enforcement and Defense spending very slightly. In Roleplay...)
In Character:
Cornelia Schultz next addresses the confused Ambassador from... Chengin? Is Chenginese the nationality or the actual name of the nation? Who knows.
"Digital Network Defense does a lot of things, so I hope you follow me, here. First of all, it makes any unlawful access to or alteration of data a cyberattack, and makes it so that if done for certain reasons, a cyberattack can be considered terrorism under the definition in GA#25.
"Second, it prohibits nations from using cyberattacks against other nations unless they are at war or have a reasonable suspicion that they pose a real threat.
"Lastly, it requires nations to make a reasonable effort to secure their own networks against cyberattacks, and encourages them to go further and assist in securing individual devices."Bedany wrote:We ought to leave these decisions up to the countries themselves.
"We ought to leave it up to the nations themselves to decide whether or not they can cyberattack other nations? Tell me, what would stop warmongering empires from utterly destroying your nation's digital devices? Do you really want to fend for yourself?"The WA nowadays does not allow anyone freedom to do anything. That is why I am leaving. There have been too many occurrences where the WA has drained my economy + civil rights + political freedoms. I am sick and tired of it.
"The WA has established the Rights to Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of Expression, Conscientious Objection and has abolished slavery and trafficking, discrimination in nearly all forms... Tell me, how has the World Assembly drained your civil rights?"
by Chenginese » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:45 pm
Morteuphoria wrote:I do agree with almost all of the proposed Resolution, but I really feel like the prohibition against using cyberattacks ourselves, is a dealbreaker, and I don't think I can bring myself to vote for it, for that very reason. Maybe somebody else has some input on that aspect of the Resolution? Look, I'm trying to run an empire here, you know? So the extra military and police budget that would come along with passing the resolution is fantastic; I'm always for more authority, but prohibiting us from engaging in cyberattacks? Like I said, this really feels like a dealbreaker, and I may have to keep my vote as Against.
by The United Universe » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:25 pm
by Oakster » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:38 pm
by Excidium Planetis » Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:36 pm
Cornelia wrote:That such criterial provisions, are not directly listed in the proposal;
disregard the natural relationship between the Security Council and Assembly;
reject a larger, interplanetary, intersystem, intergalactic ('intergal' for these purposes) interpretation
of the game (a significant portion of the Assembly membership)
despite the authors' outward appearances to the intergal community,
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
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by IPCD » Sat Jul 02, 2016 1:32 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:Defines, for the purposes of this resolution,
- "digital device" as any artificial equipment that utilizes information in numerical form.
- "cyberattack" as any act of unlawful access to or alteration of numerical information stored on digital devices. For the purposes of cooperation with other WA legislation, such acts are to be considered acts of violence.
by Excidium Planetis » Sat Jul 02, 2016 1:45 am
IPCD wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:Defines, for the purposes of this resolution,
- "digital device" as any artificial equipment that utilizes information in numerical form.
- "cyberattack" as any act of unlawful access to or alteration of numerical information stored on digital devices. For the purposes of cooperation with other WA legislation, such acts are to be considered acts of violence.
Would this definition not count acubuses and of such analogue technologies for counting and the such as digital devices?
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
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by Taziristan » Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:31 am
by Caucasaulia » Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:09 am
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution,
...
"cyberattack" as any act of unlawful access to or alteration of numerical information stored on digital devices. For the purposes of cooperation with other WA legislation, such acts are to be considered acts of violence.
Mandates that nations establish cyberattacks as criminal offences, and ensure individuals caught committing acts of cyberattack are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law;
by Excidium Planetis » Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:13 pm
Taziristan wrote:The ambassador from Taziristan stands. "Gentlemen, may I ask what the point is of the part that prohibits cyberattacks? The exception of any group that you feel threatens you or are in conflict with seem to take away the entire point of the Clause. Taziristan will vote against this Resolution.
Caucasaulia wrote:Defines, for the purposes of this resolution,
...
"cyberattack" as any act of unlawful access to or alteration of numerical information stored on digital devices. For the purposes of cooperation with other WA legislation, such acts are to be considered acts of violence.
This definition includes any use of any digital device that the member nation finds unlawful.
Is there an agreed upon notion of what constitutes unlawful access or alteration?
Then, the following clause makes the broad definition more troubling.
Therefore, until cyberattack is properly defined, this resolution's directive to harshly punish cyberattackers cannot be supported.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Taziristan » Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:18 pm
by The Great Southern Land of Australia » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:37 pm
by The Imperial Frost Federation » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:51 pm
by Drakeford » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:53 pm
by Excidium Planetis » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:28 am
The Imperial Frost Federation wrote:Akbassador Schulz, The aim of the resolution is commendable as every nation ought to be able to defend themselves against unwarranted cyber attacks. However I must cast a no vote against the resolution as the definition of a cyber attack needlessly restricts our undercover assets in law enforcement as well as harm whistle blowers. This resolution harms our undercover agents as there are scenarios where they must illicitly access data files to monitor them, gather evidence, download the evidence and alter the data to prevent the targets from realizing they've been hacked. The resolution harms whistle blowers by criminalizing their unlawful access of damning files showing criminal wrongdoing or negligence. We would prefer a more narrow definition preventing DDOS attacks, malware and other cyber attacks.
I just wish all of your interpretations were as reasonable as our GA resolutions have been for years.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
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by Potted Plants United » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:51 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:"NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE!"
- Mr. Bell, when introduced to PPU's newest moving plant
by Excidium Planetis » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:11 am
Digital Network Defense was passed 10,125 votes to 3,165.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Taziristan » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:51 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:Digital Network Defense was passed 10,125 votes to 3,165.
"Victory." Schultz mumbles, asleep in the debate chamber.
by Excidium Planetis » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:58 am
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Oakster » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:29 pm
by Wallenburg » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:16 pm
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