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Cantonese Union
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Postby Cantonese Union » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:05 pm

Cantonese Union wrote:Your proposal has full support of the Cantonese government, which sees this proposal as necessary to preserve the social stability and harmony of every World Assembly member state.


After a slight period of time, the Cantonese Union has changed its stance on the proposal and will currently abstain and most likely vote against it in the future.

This change of stance has happened due to discrepancies within the relevant state regulations of the Cantonese Union and the provided program in the aforementioned proposal.

We would also like to extend a complaint against Cybraxia for their representatives' behavior to within a intergovernmental organization, in particular their attitude against member states with different stances on the issue.

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Cybraxia
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Postby Cybraxia » Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:14 pm

Cantonese Union wrote:
Cantonese Union wrote:Your proposal has full support of the Cantonese government, which sees this proposal as necessary to preserve the social stability and harmony of every World Assembly member state.


After a slight period of time, the Cantonese Union has changed its stance on the proposal and will currently abstain and most likely vote against it in the future.

This change of stance has happened due to discrepancies within the relevant state regulations of the Cantonese Union and the provided program in the aforementioned proposal.

We would also like to extend a complaint against Cybraxia for their representatives' behavior to within a intergovernmental organization, in particular their attitude against member states with different stances on the issue.


"Your complaint is noted and discarded." Quint mutters dryly. "I care little for your objections to my attitude. All I care about right now is insuring that laws that are wasteful are not passed. And this is most certainly one of those laws."

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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:20 pm

Cantonese Union wrote:We would also like to extend a complaint against Cybraxia for their representatives' behavior to within a intergovernmental organization, in particular their attitude against member states with different stances on the issue.


"Here is the Complaint Box."

Bell proffers a waste bin.

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Cybraxia
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Postby Cybraxia » Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:39 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Cantonese Union wrote:We would also like to extend a complaint against Cybraxia for their representatives' behavior to within a intergovernmental organization, in particular their attitude against member states with different stances on the issue.


"Here is the Complaint Box."

Bell proffers a waste bin.


"Ooh, better than I put it. Thank you Mister Bell."

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Communist EU
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Postby Communist EU » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:40 pm

Arpak wrote:
Communist EU wrote:Perhaps you can explain how we manage to have low crime without the defense spending and 0.3% on law and order? Answer, you can't. Why? You're completely loyal to your own ideological propaganda and have no problem forcing this onto others. Besides the patronising tone of this resolution, we're being forced to waste money on something we do not need.


Comrade, it seems there has been a fundamental misunderstanding.

We apologize if we indeed, sounded patronizing.

Our goal was nothing more but to promote greater synchronicity between the revolutionary forces, in order to achieve a more effective Worldwide Socialist Revolution when that takes place, as well as to maintain our ideological beliefs intact and unpolluted by external bourgeois interference, such as the ideas attempted to be implanted to all true Socialist nations by capitalist/fascist alliances, such as the one that is Nazi Europa: the idea of plenty fueled by the sweat and slavery of the Working Class, through its systematic exploitation and oppression.

A well organized police and military force, is not only necessary in order to protect our peoples but also our/their ideology against the corrupting capitalist/imperialist/fascist influence.

An ideology is necessary to coordinate the Will of Our Peoples towards the goal of Socialist Revolution, Social Equality and Justice and True Prosperity. It also gives them incentive to work and produce, something to look forward to, the sense of belonging somewhere and contributing to something essential, something that enriches and improves not only the national society, but also the World in whole, increasing productivity and employment, and thus Personal, Societal and International Prosperity. It makes sure they do not stray too far from Socialism and thus fall prey to seducing and egocentric capitalist ambitions, making also sure they do not forget the values of solidarity and equality, on which our wonderful ideology is based upon.

When people are left astray, without an ideology or spiritual leadership to lead them, they tend to be carried away by egotistical tendencies and puny consumerist ambitions. It is only a matter of time then, until they fall victims to Capitalism's vicious and seductive spirit, which turns them into nothing more but walking consumerist androids without the capability to think further of their own little self and see the greater picture. And what else, if not selfish thoughts and greed (such as the ones the aforementioned ideals breed) leads to a rise in crime numbers?

The fact that this hasn't happened in your country yet, dear Comrade, doesn't mean it won't. As I said before, it's only a matter of time.

Perhaps the lack of devotion to the Cause of the Revolution by your People is the reason for the unfortunate state of your economy, the fact that in your pursuit of greater freedom and liberties for your people, you deprived them of a philosophical guidance, an idea, a purpose, making them thus prone to corruption and unwillingness to work any more than what serves their own selfish needs.

We look forward to you joining our fight against Capitalism and Imperialism in the World , in order for the bright sun of Socialism to shine on the faces of the hard working people of the World :)!
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No, we begin by disarming the bourgeoisie and arming the workers, your approach is the opposite, it is the bourgeois military and use of bourgeois police. It is you Ambassador that either does not understand, or it is deliberately deceptive. Ambassador, your approach is that of a reactionary bureaucracy, and not a revolutionary social democracy.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:42 pm

Cybraxia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
"Here is the Complaint Box."

Bell proffers a waste bin.


"Ooh, better than I put it. Thank you Mister Bell."

"Ambassador. I hardly worked for that title, you know."

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:52 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Cybraxia wrote:
"Ooh, better than I put it. Thank you Mister Bell."

"Ambassador. I hardly worked for that title, you know."


Schultz lifts an eyebrow. "You sure you don't mean you worked hard for that title?"
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Cybraxia
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Postby Cybraxia » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:54 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Cybraxia wrote:
"Ooh, better than I put it. Thank you Mister Bell."

"Ambassador. I hardly worked for that title, you know."


"My apologies. In any case, I'm looking forward to voting for the repeal, and seeing WA history made."

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The Fascist Republic of North America
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Postby The Fascist Republic of North America » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:19 pm

Mmm, I agree with Quint. This'll be a swift repeal once people open their eyes.


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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:33 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ambassador. I hardly worked for that title, you know."


Schultz lifts an eyebrow. "You sure you don't mean you worked hard for that title?"

"Do I? Hmm..." Bell sits back to think about it for a moment. "I was appointed as a punishment, so probably not. On the other hand, that hardly makes my point..."

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Petralaka
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Founded: Feb 18, 2016
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It's a Country's decision

Postby Petralaka » Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:32 pm

See my issue isn't the the proposal as I believe it is an excellent idea. But I believe that education (including those towards police officers), and a country's use of police power should be the country's decision. I feel like the world assembly is starting to trample on the rights of countries with resolutions that we continually pass. While I believe many should be passed and our good in nature I believe we must not allow The World Assembly to trample on national affairs.

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Yoite
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Postby Yoite » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:41 pm

"In reaction to the impending passage of 'Law Enforcement Education,' Yoite has decided to once again resign from the World Assembly. Although the text of the resolution empowers it to do nothing, we will not continue to cloth our nation in legislative ignorance."
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BlueShores
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Postby BlueShores » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:39 pm

My nation doesnt need to spend money on a problem that does not exist within our borders.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:23 pm

BlueShores wrote:My nation doesnt need to spend money on a problem that does not exist within our borders.

OOC: This is quite a good summary of this issue.

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Castroica
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Postby Castroica » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:39 am

Distinguished representatives,

I am here on behalf of the people of the Republic of Castroica to express our collective dismay at the impending passage of the General Assembly resolution at vote, the so-called "'Law Enforcement Education" resolution. Some people may think we are simply annoyed and upset at the passage of a bill designed to lower crime and increase the power of our law enforcement services, as if we were children who have committed crimes we wish to hide and detest all semblances of authority, of "law and order". This is not the case.

What we are upset about is the fact that this resolution was overwhelmingly passed with seemingly little critical thinking by the collective nations of the World Assembly. This resolution, which is worded in such a way as to imply it will bring about and maintain a "trusting relationship to lower crime and increase safety", is in fact designed to foster "understanding" between the people and the fascist police in Corporate Bordello and Iron Fist Consumerist states. And by "understanding" we of course mean subservience. As we have said before, the resolution will reinforce the ideals of the bourgeois police state; what the resolution refers to as "education" could easily be abused and misinterpreted to mean almost anything, as the resolution offers no concrete standards for so-called "meetings" for "all law enforcement agencies", which is yet another unfortunate phrasing

What makes the distinguished members of the World Assembly so eager to impose the will of bourgeois democracies and corporate police states on their own, sovereign nations? The author of the resolution, the nation of The People's Republic of Happy People Land is unfortunately classified as a "corporate bordello"; the classifications of the resolution's most ardent supporters range from "Corporate Bordello" to "Iron Fist Consumerist" and "Corporate Police State". Even though we do not always agree with these rigid classifications, we must admit that it reinforces our previously stated concerns about imposing reactionary and corporatist principles onto our police force. Castroica is a socialist country, and socialist countries cannot have capitalist police forces.

What makes the socialist countries, what makes the democracies, so willing to have their own sovereignty infringed upon and the liberty of their peoples compromised so the greedy and power hungry can further oppress their own populations, and have the authority of the World Assembly to support their actions?

My fellow representatives, if the government and the police force serve the will of the people then there is no need for a resolution such as this one. A resolution such as this will only enable oppressive police to make repressed people "understand" why they are oppressed, it will encourage that people who are poorly served by their governments and police forces "trust" the governments and police forces who poorly serve them, and it will make people whose lives do not matter to the government and the police "understand" why their lives do not matter. It is legislative ignorance.

The ministers of governments who support such a resolution may sleep easier at night, while their people will not be able to sleep because they are overwhelmed with fear; fear of a police force which can do no wrong. Who among these people will be able to speak out about police abuse at a "meeting" with government officials and high-ranking police without fear of extrajudicial repercussions? Who, in a society where human rights are a distant concern when compared to increased profits and maintaining order, would be insane enough to attempt such a thing? As comrade Assata Shakur said, "Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them." This is overwhelimgly corrupt, anyone who thought about it for a moment would realize the potential for abuse, and it is discouraging how many so-called "liberal" and "compassionate" people voted in favor of it.

The government of Castroica will abide by the resolution, but only in the most minimal way. We are announcing to the World Assembly that our people will not be forced or even encouraged to attend these meetings. They will be held at a time appropriate for some of most under-served, those who work multiple jobs which force them to keep "unusual" hours, say three or four in the morning Castroican Standard Time; and will be held in accommodations they are unfortunately used to, some place like a boiler room or janitor's closet. We feel we can take these actions because we already trust our people, we already properly manage our police force; this is reflected by the fact that crime is almost totally unknown in our country.

The government and the people of Castroica firmly denounce this resolution, and will hope and work for a swift repeal.
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Postby Yymea » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:30 am

The yymean delegation is voting against, as this is clearly not an international issue, and neither is it an issue in Yymea.
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Postby Yuledon » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:55 am

The Yuledonian delegation...

    Finds this proposal to be an overreach of the World Assembly's authority.

    Asserts that implementing "one-size-fits-all" solutions to reduce crime rates is counterproductive.

Therefore, the delegation has voted AGAINST the proposed resolution.

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[AT VOTE] Law Enforcement Education

Postby United Listeners of EDM » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:45 pm

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Postby Sobaira » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:47 pm

The Ambassador from Sobaira sat down and began to read both the resolution and the minutes from the discussion of it. Whoa boy was this thing not going over very well. It didn't seem to do anything at all... until...

"Erm, if I may be of questioning, is this resolution of being applied to actually all law enforcement, civilian, military, secret service, and, how you say, private entities? If such an interpretation is of possible if not being of what is to be of enforcement, this would be of requiring that governments be of funding mercenary groups, and into meetings where officers and agents who do not deal with the public would be of having to, yes?" she looked puzzled by this. "This does not of being something that Sobaira would be of interested in... though," she let out a small laugh, "I do be of finding some amusement that nations that are of being with private law enforcement would be of by this resolution required some degree of subsidising them. I do not know, but that just is of making me smile. It is of such silliness."

She shook her head and calmed down from... a small chuckle to her more reserved demeanour, "We will be of finding the minimum way of being in compliance with this passing until such a time that it is of properly repealed."
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:04 pm

Law Enforcement Education was passed 13,200 votes to 7,404.
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:48 am

The Greater Siriusian Domain is shocked and disgusted that this farce of a proposal has been passed.
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Postby The Candy Of Bottles » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:04 am

"Our first meeting is scheduled for 100 years from today."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:57 am

The Candy Of Bottles wrote:"Our first meeting is scheduled for 100 years from today."

"Just 100? Ours is past the millenia mark." ;)

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:18 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:"Our first meeting is scheduled for 100 years from today."

"Just 100? Ours is past the millenia mark." ;)

"Curious. Ours is scheduled for next month, since the resolution mostly likely will be repealed by then. A millenium is overkill, Ambassador."

"I don't know what happened to my opinion that I sent here two days ago, but it never made it. Let me try again." Ogenbond holds up a sheet of paper and reads:
Wallenburgian Cabinet of War
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From the general sentiment expressed in this resolution, I can gather that I would support some of the measures the author of this resolution seeks to promote. However, the text of the bill at vote does not meet my standards for quality writing, and fails to really mandate much. Among my greatest issues with this resolution are these:
  • The subject of the resolution--the relationship between law enforcement and the public--is hardly an international issue. The resolution refers to several supposed problems, such as a "growing distrust of law enforcement by the general public", which do not exist in many World Assembly nations, including Wallenburg.
  • The resolution wastes its words on repeating a general sentiment that increasing education for police services will somehow erase the intranational issue of animosity toward law enforcement.
  • The resolution does almost nothing, with no real requirement for periodic or continuous educational programs.
  • The little this resolution does require is entirely unnecessary for most nations, and does nothing to improve relations between the public and its protectors.
  • It has several basic errors in formatting and grammar, with incorrect capitalization of several words and inconsistent ending punctuation.
  • The resolution never went through a drafting phase, exacerbating the errors scattered throughout the text.
This resolution may have good intentions, but it has no real redeeming qualities under a series of shortcomings and weaknesses. I vote against this resolution, and am prepared to support a repeal if it manages to enter into law.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:15 am

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