[PASSED] Law Enforcement Education

[Deanson]

Deanson has voted against this resolution. Crime is essentially non-existent in our nation, along with heavy distrust of police forces. This would seem like a complete and utter waste of creds and erratic distribution of the government budget to have to educate the populace on these things when it's not a problem to begin with.

[Barrenjastan]

Under my nation we are well known for executing criminals and shooting all protesters...

[John Turner]

I see the lemmings are out in full force on this one, trying to ensure it passes........

[Excidium Planetis]

Let's not encourage spam.

OOC: You might have guessed I wasn't entirely serious.

But more seriously, I'd be happy for the limit to actually be at 30% or so, but with much longer time allowed to try and garner approval for quorum. Like a week at minimum, maybe two weeks. Not all delegates log in every day, just like ordinary players, so the current model encourages the use of stamps/scripts to get the impatient/nolifer (do notice that I count myself in the latter category, it's not meant as an insult or literal representation) delegates who often don't think beyond "ooh, I got a nice TG, gonna approve of that". In addition to those who subscribe to Vancouvianism, of course.

That sounds like an awful idea. Imagine all the crap proposals sticking around in the proposal queue for a week or two.

And flooding the queue to prevent a proposal from going to vote...

[Imperium Anglorum]

I see the lemmings are out in full force on this one, trying to ensure it passes........

The tide will turn if we can get the South Pacific.

[Empire of the Monarchy-Duchy House Leash]

This is one of the closest proposals at vote I've seen yet. But I'm against. This is more of a Nation issue than a WA one

[The Candy Of Bottles]

Under my nation we are well known for executing criminals and shooting all protesters...

"As this puts your nation firmly in noncompliance under the provisions of GA 112, I'm going to have to declare a full embargo on trade with your nation. Also, I've voted against this proposal."

[Sciongrad]

Scion's RAT II barely made quorum. I think we ought keep quorum where it is. At least these bad resolutions encourage activity, if nothing else. The alternative is much worse.

OOC: I agree with this. An increase to 8% is unnecessary but an increase to 30% is just ridiculous. I have never, in years of playing this game, seen any proposal, no matter how good and regardless of how long it's been in the queue, receive 600 approvals. The quorum isn't an obstacle meant to regulate quality, necessarily. That's the job of voters.

[The Sotoan Union]

The resolution is passing, but almost every comment disagrees with it. Great.

[The Original Thirteen]

The resolution is passing, but almost every comment disagrees with it. Great.

There's a lot more WA Members than just us delegates.

[Cybraxia]

The resolution is passing, but almost every comment disagrees with it. Great.

There's a lot more WA Members than just us delegates.

"And it would seem that none of them take their positions seriously."

[The Original Thirteen]

I'm honestly only against this bill because I don't think that citizens should be molded to compliance with the police force, no matter how polite this resolution might make them. It turns the police force into a thing to be feared, to be nervous around, more so than it already must be in the author of this resolution's country.

[Rosandia]

In general, the Republic of Rosandia stands firmly AGAINST the proposal "Law Enforcement Education" and expresses SEVERE DISAPPOINTMENT at the fact that a clear majority of member states, as of the release of this statement, have expressed support for this proposal. While the Republic of Rosandia APPLAUDS the praiseworthy intent of the proposal to ensure a healthy relationship between citizens and the security forces of their nation, the Republic of Rosandia CAREFULLY NOTES that the "ends do not justify the means" and FINDS that the parameters of the proposed program lead to an overreach of World Assembly authority and are, ASSUMING one can justify that it is not an overreach of World Asssembly authority and that the principles behind are sound, too unrealistic to implement, given the current wording.

In particular, the Republic of Rosandia is opposed to following features of the proposal:

-The usage of the word "required" in the first and third points of the proposal, which UNDERMINES the right of consent and principle of national sovereignty held by all member states that is the bedrock of the World Assembly. It is the interpretation of the Republic of Rosandia that the World Assembly only has the authority to CREATE organizations for the MUTUAL and VOLUNTARY COOPERATION of member states, to DEFINE general principles on COMMON STANCES of the WORLD ASSEMBLY, the implementation of which is VOLUNTARY and DELEGATED to the member states and the organizations stated above, and to ENFORCE only with regards to GROSS VIOLATIONS of INDIVIDUAL SAPIENT RIGHTS that are DEEMED COMMON and NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY which is HELD to be ALWAYS COMMON.
-The vague wording of the proposal regarding funds in the second point of the proposal, which is unclear as to WHICH funds and WHERE the funds will be sourced from.
-The vague wording of the proposal regarding the mechanisms responsible for implementation. The proposal does not state which specific agency of the World Assembly is responsible for implementation. It only states the establishment of a program, but not the agency carrying it out.

The Republic of Rosandia, however, wishes to REITERATE that the intent of the proposal was PRAISEWORTHY and notes that if the implementing agency was SPECIFIED and if the program was made VOLUNTARY or shifted towards a greater emphasis on MONITORING, the Republic of Rosandia would support such a proposal.

Office of the Permanent Represenative, Republic of Rosandia

[Champi (Ancient)]

I'm honestly only against this bill because I don't think that citizens should be molded to compliance with the police force, no matter how polite this resolution might make them. It turns the police force into a thing to be feared, to be nervous around, more so than it already must be in the author of this resolution's country.

I agree. I don't want citizens to be in constant fear that would reduce freedom and creativity. The intention is good but it may not succeed in the application.

[Excidium Planetis]

"Well... It came close, but with several superdelegates in favor, this will pass.

"Huzzah for repeal."

[Tinfect]

"Well... It came close, but with several superdelegates in favor, this will pass.

"Huzzah for repeal."

OOC:
Actually, we won the battle for superdelegates.
It was the Lemmings that pushed it through.

(4,370) individual WA member nations.

[Excidium Planetis]

"Well... It came close, but with several superdelegates in favor, this will pass.

"Huzzah for repeal."

OOC:
Actually, we won the battle for superdelegates.
It was the Lemmings that pushed it through.

(4,370) individual WA member nations.

The East Pacific, the South Pacific, and Gay all voted For. If they voted against, that would be a swing of almost 1500 votes.

[Tinfect]

OOC:
Actually, we won the battle for superdelegates.
It was the Lemmings that pushed it through.

The East Pacific, the South Pacific, and Gay all voted For. If they voted against, that would be a swing of almost 1500 votes.

OOC:
Uh.
Tsunamy (338), Todd McCloud (301), BearNation (108)
338+301+108
Boeing (747)
I don't know where you're getting 1500 from.

[Excidium Planetis]

The East Pacific, the South Pacific, and Gay all voted For. If they voted against, that would be a swing of almost 1500 votes.

OOC:
Uh.
Tsunamy (338), Todd McCloud (301), BearNation (108)
338+301+108
Boeing (747)
I don't know where you're getting 1500 from.

Double it. It's a swing of 1494, -747 from the FOR camp, +747 for the AGAINST camp. That's how votes work.

[Tinfect]

OOC:
Uh.
Tsunamy (338), Todd McCloud (301), BearNation (108)
338+301+108
Boeing (747)
I don't know where you're getting 1500 from.

Double it. It's a swing of 1494, -747 from the FOR camp, +747 for the AGAINST camp. That's how votes work.

Oh.
Well then.

[Louisistan]

Special Ambassador Wolfgang de Ville, WA Delegate for 10000 Islands leans back and enjoys a tropical cocktail that an aide brought in from the Stranger's Bar.
"For once, I can't be blamed for that mess."

[LeaveAlone]

The East Pacific, the South Pacific, and Gay all voted For. If they voted against, that would be a swing of almost 1500 votes.

OOC:
Uh.
Tsunamy (338), Todd McCloud (301), BearNation (108)
338+301+108
Boeing (747)
I don't know where you're getting 1500 from.

TEP's delegate (currently Todd) holds the responsability of voting on favor of the general public of our region... and currently that's 127 in favor to 45 against. Been trying to convince people to think about this and vote properly, but we have a fair number of new-ish nations that are really your description of lemmings, and they've been making consistently bad decisions issue after issue.

[Communist EU]

I see the lemmings are out in full force on this one, trying to ensure it passes........

This was likely inspired by other security obsessed nations law and order resolutions, in that sense, you've only got yourselves to blame.

[Arpak]

Fellow members of the World Assembly,

Alas, in such tumultuous times such as these, let us not forget the importance of well-educated and trained police and military officers, for they are the ones to maintain order in times of crisis and protect the People from harm. It is they, that form a pillar of stability and security for the nation, provided they are corruption-free, obey the law word-by-word and their function is well coordinated with the one of the state. This allows them to take swift and effective action in maintaining order against not only petty and minor acts of crime but also out-of-control riots, natural catastrophes as well as terrorist attacks.
Educating both the public and police/military officers contributes to the creation of a mutually beneficial relationship, in which the law enforcement has an efficient cooperation with the citizens in combating crime and results in a society in which crime is greatly reduced, through both the cooperation of the citizens with the police, and their own law abidance.

By coordinating these efforts on a worldwide level, we take decisive steps towards the reduction, and who knows, maybe even eradication of crime, ensuring not only state but also international security and both financial and cultural prosperity.

Representing the will of the Arpakian People and the Patriotic Socialist Party of Arpak, this resolution receives my full support.

- World Assembly Ambassador of the Arpakian People, Hans Dortman

[Araraukar]

OOC: Is the Flag Thief back?

OOC: Just us having fun. Because someone gave us the idea.

I honestly thought you were eachother until IA pointed it out.

Fairly successfully too.

Although timestamps show that you realized earlier than IA, so first prize goes to you.

OOC: The quorum isn't an obstacle meant to regulate quality, necessarily. That's the job of voters.

OOC: And when have you ever seen a quality argument win over lemming effect?

EDITs: Coding is not my friend today, it seems.