OOC: Important Notice to those who haven't read through the whole thread: The author of Law Enforcement Education has publicly given support for this repeal (Source). Keep that in mind before forming an opinion on it.
"How did that get there? I didn't see a draft!" Ambassador Schultz exclaims as an aid hands her a report of the queued proposal.
"Hmm... it isn't awful, but it is still poorly thought out."
Believing that better public relations with law enforcement are conducive to a harmonious and well-ordered society, but,
Rejecting the claim that such relations have deteriorated lately, as this is not the case in most nations,
Believing that this is simply not an international issue, as nations can deal with law enforcement education without World Assembly intervention in crime and judicial procedure,
Concerned that "Law Enforcement Education" requires public funding to be given to law enforcement agencies even in nations that use private police forces instead of public law enforcement agencies,
Disappointed that even though this is not an issue the World Assembly should deal with, the target resolution doesn't even deal with the issue adequately, as although it requires funding to be allocated for education programs and attendance of law enforcement officers at such education programs, it fails to require that those programs actually be created,
Also Disappointed by the resolution's lack of
Three oranges, peeled and de-veined,
Two hundred and fifty milliliters of milk or coconut milk,
One egg plus two egg yolks (from chickens),
Five milliliters of vanilla extract,
Thirty milliliters of raw honey (preferably from Terran bees), and
Three hundred and seventy-five millileters of ice,
despite the obvious benefits of including these and an electric blender at public meetings,
Shocked at the target's failure to combine everything except oranges and ice in a blender and mixing for about twenty seconds to create a frothy cream, before adding the oranges and blending for another twenty seconds or until smooth; and at last adding the ice and blending for another twenty seconds,
Believing Public relations with Law Enforcement to be a generally good thing, however,
Rejecting the claim that such relations have deteriorated lately, as this is not the case in all nations,
Believing that this is simply not an international issue, as nations can deal with law enforcement education on their own,
Concerned that "Law Enforcement Education" requires public funding to be given to law enforcement agencies even in nations that use private police forces instead of public law enforcement agencies.
Confused that the target resolution requires funding to be given for education programs, and requires the attendance of law enforcement officers at such education programs, but doesn't actually require any such programs to be created,
Disappointed that even though this is not an issue the WA should deal with, the target resolution doesn't even deal with the issue adequately,
Also Disappointed by the resolution's lack of
Three oranges, peeled and de-veined
Two hundred and fifty milliliters of milk or coconut milk
One egg plus two egg yolks (from chickens)
Five milliliters of vanilla extract
Thirty milliliters of raw honey (preferably from Terran bees)
Three hundred and seventy-five millileters of ice
despite the obvious benefit of including these and an electric blender at public meetings.
Shocked at the target's failure to combine everything except oranges and ice in a blender and mixing for about twenty seconds to create a frothy cream, before adding the oranges and blending for another twenty seconds or until smooth; and at last adding the ice and blending for another twenty seconds.
Believing Public relations with Law Enforcement to be a generally good thing, however,
Rejecting the claim that such relations have deteriorated lately, as this is not the case in all nations,
Believing that this is simply not an international issue, as nations can deal with law enforcement education on their own,
Concerned that "Law Enforcement Education" requires public funding to be given to law enforcement agencies even in nations that use private police forces instead of public law enforcement agencies.
Confused that the target resolution requires funding to be given for education programs, and requires the attendance of law enforcement officers at such education programs, but doesn't actually require any such programs to be created,
Disappointed that even though this is not an issue the WA should deal with, the target resolution doesn't even deal with the issue adequately,
Also Disappointed by the resolution's lack of
3 oranges, peeled and de-veined
1 cup of milk or coconut milk
1 egg plus 2 egg yolks
1 tsp. vanilla extract
2 tbsp raw honey
1 1/2 cups of ice
Shocked at the target's failure to combine everything except oranges and ice in a blender and mixing for about 20 seconds to create a frothy cream, before adding the oranges and blending for another 20 seconds or until smooth; and at last adding the ice and blending for another 20 seconds.
Believing Public relations with Law Enforcement to be a generally good thing, however,
Rejecting the claim that such relations have deteriorated lately, as this is not the case in all nations,
Believing that this is simply not an international issue, as nations can deal with law enforcement education on their own,
Concerned that "Law Enforcement Education" requires public funding to be given to law enforcement agencies even in nations that use private police forces instead of public law enforcement agencies.
Confused that the target resolution requires funding to be given for education programs, and requires the attendance of law enforcement officers at such education programs, but doesn't actually require any such programs to be created,
Disappointed that even though this is not an issue the WA should deal with, the target resolution doesn't even deal with the issue adequately,
Acquiring
3 oranges, peeled and de-veined
1 cup of milk or coconut milk
1 egg plus 2 egg yolks
1 tsp. vanilla extract
2 tbsp raw honey
1 1/2 cups of ice
Combining everything except oranges and ice in a blender and mixing for about 20 seconds to create a frothy cream, before adding the oranges and blending for another 20 seconds or until smooth. Finally, adding the ice and blending for another 20 seconds.
"Yeah, that was short, but honestly the proposal in question does so little it is hard to criticize it."
OOC: In case it passes. Which it looks like it will.
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:26 pm
by Tinfect
OOC: Yeah... I saw this thing hit the Queue, I knew it would the moment I got a Campaign Telegram for it. I don't think it will pass, but, that attitude has given us some embarrassments in the past, so I suppose its better to be prepared.
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:23 am
by Vancouvia
Good to be prepared 15 days in advance
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:26 am
by Imperium Anglorum
Vancouvia wrote:Good to be prepared 15 days in advance
Ah, yes. The proactive repeals. I need to start writing a few...
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:51 am
by Araraukar
Tinfect wrote:OOC: Yeah... I saw this thing hit the Queue, I knew it would the moment I got a Campaign Telegram for it. I don't think it will pass, but, that attitude has given us some embarrassments in the past, so I suppose its better to be prepared.
OOC: Unless the Mod Hivemind makes a new ruling for the opposite, the target crap is illegal for category violation. IS requires boosting military spending too.
Tinfect wrote:OOC: Yeah... I saw this thing hit the Queue, I knew it would the moment I got a Campaign Telegram for it. I don't think it will pass, but, that attitude has given us some embarrassments in the past, so I suppose its better to be prepared.
OOC: Unless the Mod Hivemind makes a new ruling for the opposite, the target crap is illegal for category violation. IS requires boosting military spending too.
OOC: While heartening news, it could be argued military forces often have a law enforcement component: Military Police, or in times of martial law, or organizations such as the US NCIS, for example.
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Unless the Mod Hivemind makes a new ruling for the opposite, the target crap is illegal for category violation. IS requires boosting military spending too.
OOC: While heartening news, it could be argued military forces often have a law enforcement component: Military Police, or in times of martial law, or organizations such as the US NCIS, for example.
This is quite a good argument. I don't see any way that the argument that this is a category violation could stand up against this, given that it is (1) patently true and (2) establishes a mechanism in which a military spending increase would be justified from the text. I would, however, note that a counter-campaign has begun.
Excidium Planetis wrote:OOC: While heartening news, it could be argued military forces often have a law enforcement component: Military Police, or in times of martial law, or organizations such as the US NCIS, for example.
This is quite a good argument. I don't see any way that the argument that this is a category violation could stand up against this, given that it is (1) patently true and (2) establishes a mechanism in which a military spending increase would be justified from the text. I would, however, note that a counter-campaign has begun.
OOC: Previous rulings on IS category have required there to be actual "spelled out" spending on military. If military police had actually been mentioned, then I might buy that argument.
Imperium Anglorum wrote:This is quite a good argument. I don't see any way that the argument that this is a category violation could stand up against this, given that it is (1) patently true and (2) establishes a mechanism in which a military spending increase would be justified from the text. I would, however, note that a counter-campaign has begun.
OOC: Previous rulings on IS category have required there to be actual "spelled out" spending on military. If military police had actually been mentioned, then I might buy that argument.
Given that information, I have to agree with you again. This would also mesh much better with the purpose of the IS category in advancing international security, which this does not really ... do.
Imperium Anglorum wrote:This is quite a good argument. I don't see any way that the argument that this is a category violation could stand up against this, given that it is (1) patently true and (2) establishes a mechanism in which a military spending increase would be justified from the text. I would, however, note that a counter-campaign has begun.
OOC: Previous rulings on IS category have required there to be actual "spelled out" spending on military. If military police had actually been mentioned, then I might buy that argument.
How would "all law enforcement agencies" not include military police? Seems pretty spelled out that all law enforcement agencies, not just civilian ones, are included.
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:29 pm
by Araraukar
Excidium Planetis wrote:How would "all law enforcement agencies" not include military police? Seems pretty spelled out that all law enforcement agencies, not just civilian ones, are included.
OOC: Show me a regular non-military person who, upon hearing "law enforcement agency" can connect the dots to military police. I still stand by my argument that police =/= military, and that this has zilch to do with international security, neither the category nor the concept.
EDIT: Heading off to bed, further arguments need to wait. G'night, y'all.
Excidium Planetis wrote:How would "all law enforcement agencies" not include military police? Seems pretty spelled out that all law enforcement agencies, not just civilian ones, are included.
OOC: Show me a regular non-military person who, upon hearing "law enforcement agency" can connect the dots to military police. I still stand by my argument that police =/= military, and that this has zilch to do with international security, neither the category nor the concept.
EDIT: Heading off to bed, further arguments need to wait. G'night, y'all.
OOC: Well, regardless of whether or not people think of military police, the mods apparently do. The ruling was made, the target is legal.
IC: "Anyone have anything to add that I perhaps missed?" Schultz asks. "I know the proposal doesn't really do much, but is there some other flaw worth mentioning, or should I call this good?"
Excidium Planetis wrote:How would "all law enforcement agencies" not include military police? Seems pretty spelled out that all law enforcement agencies, not just civilian ones, are included.
OOC: Show me a regular non-military person who, upon hearing "law enforcement agency" can connect the dots to military police. I still stand by my argument that police =/= military, and that this has zilch to do with international security, neither the category nor the concept.
OOC: I mean, in the Imperium, Internal Security is just a branch of the Military that happens to share command responsibilities with Civil Oversight. Of course, in that situation, the Military and the Police are more or less the same thing.
Araraukar wrote:EDIT: Heading off to bed, further arguments need to wait. G'night, y'all.
What, you still sleep? Come on, mate, this is the General Assembly, we expect better of you.
Yup.... Didn't even bother reading past the title. This could be the recipe for an Orange Julius and as far as I am concerned I will support it, because you know the lemmings are going to pass that bill in a land-fucking-slide.
Yup.... Didn't even bother reading past the title. This could be the recipe for an Orange Julius and as far as I am concerned I will support it, because you know the lemmings are going to pass that bill in a land-fucking-slide.
OOC: Ah, thank you for reminding me what this needed! The repeal is a decent length, now.
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 7:05 pm
by The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper
ARI: Erm. We're really not sure but those "acquiring" and "combining" clauses could be considered legislating in a repeal....
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:58 pm
by Liagolas
"It was already most likely the will of the Dominion to support this repeal, but now it is DEFINITELY the will of the Dominion to support!" the Mouth says with a startling amount of enthusiasm. The cloaked Hand of the Dominion standing behind the Mouth turns its head towards the Mouth, and one can almost imagine the amount of shock it is experiencing internally. Who knew the Mouth was such a fan of Orange Juliuses?
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:03 pm
by Excidium Planetis
The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper wrote:ARI: Erm. We're really not sure but those "acquiring" and "combining" clauses could be considered legislating in a repeal....
"Oh dear. How did that get there?" Cornelia Schultz says, removing the recipe for Orange Julius she mistakenly dropped into the scanner when she was making copies of her draft.
"I'll need to fix that."
She scribbles some stuff over the draft, and scans it. "There. Much better."
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:16 pm
by Liagolas
"Oh..." the Mouth says, hanging its head a bit. "That's bit..." the Mouth shrugs and falls silent.
"Wait!" It perks up and turns to the Hand. "Fetch me an Orange Julius!" After a moment's confused hesitation, the Hand goes.
Several minutes later, the Mouth is carefully drinking its Orange Julius, being cautious not to reveal its face in the process.
"This is what the Dominion gains from World Assembly membership," the Mouth says. "And it is well worth it."
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:26 am
by Excidium Planetis
"Any more comments before the target resolution goes to vote?"
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:04 pm