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Postby Floor 448 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:13 pm

:rofl: I love this. Full support ahead, and inspiration for a joke proposal.

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Postby The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper » Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:13 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:Acquiring
3 oranges, peeled and de-veined
1 cup of milk or coconut milk
1 egg plus 2 egg yolks
1 tsp. vanilla extract
2 tbsp raw honey
1 1/2 cups of ice

Combining everything except oranges and ice in a blender and mixing for about 20 seconds to create a frothy cream, before adding the oranges and blending for another 20 seconds or until smooth. Finally, adding the ice and blending for another 20 seconds.

The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper wrote:ARI: Erm. We're really not sure but those "acquiring" and "combining" clauses could be considered legislating in a repeal.... ;)

Excidium Planetis wrote:Also Disappointed by the resolution's lack of
3 oranges, peeled and de-veined
1 cup of milk or coconut milk
1 egg plus 2 egg yolks
1 tsp. vanilla extract
2 tbsp raw honey
1 1/2 cups of ice

Shocked at the target's failure to combine everything except oranges and ice in a blender and mixing for about 20 seconds to create a frothy cream, before adding the oranges and blending for another 20 seconds or until smooth; and at last adding the ice and blending for another 20 seconds.

ARI: Hmmm, yes, wording it in that way certainly can't be confused with legislating in a repeal, can it?

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Postby Leppikania » Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:00 pm

If this gets passed with that recipe in it, I'm voting for it as Best Resolution of 2016.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:43 pm

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Excidium Planetis wrote:"Any more comments before the target resolution goes to vote?"

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Excidium Planetis wrote:"Any more comments before the target resolution goes to vote?"

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Postby Araraukar » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:12 am

Leppikania wrote:If this gets passed with that recipe in it, I'm voting for it as Best Resolution of 2016.

Agreed!
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:14 am

Araraukar wrote:
Leppikania wrote:If this gets passed with that recipe in it, I'm voting for it as Best Resolution of 2016.

Agreed!

Concurred, though I feel that those numbers ought be in text rather than numerals.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:17 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Araraukar wrote:Agreed!

Concurred, though I feel that those numbers ought be in text rather than numerals.


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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:25 am

I found a few errors in formatting. I corrected them. I also added some text and deleted a clause because it flows better when you give the argument and explain why that argument is true. Also, I'm part of the no-styles crowd, so all the italics and stuff got removed, mostly because I feel, along with the rest of the no-styles crowd, that it looks better this way.

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Believing that better public relations with law enforcement is conducive to a harmonious and well-ordered society, but,

Rejecting the claim that such relations have deteriorated lately, as this is not the case in most nations,

Believing that this is simply not an international issue, as nations can deal with law enforcement education without World Assembly intervention in crime and judicial procedure,

Concerned that 365 GA 'Law Enforcement Education' requires public funding to be given to law enforcement agencies even in nations that use private police forces instead of public law enforcement agencies,

Disappointed that even though this is not an issue the World Assembly should deal with, the target resolution doesn't even deal with the issue adequately, as although it requires funding to be allocated for education programs and attendance of law enforcement officers at such education programs, it fails to require that those programes actually be created,

Also disappointed by the resolution's lack of:
[list][*]three oranges, peeled and de-veined,


[*]one cup of milk or coconut milk,


[*]one egg plus 2 egg yolks,


[*]one tsp. vanilla extract,


[*]two tbsp raw honey, and


[*]one and a half cups of ice; and[/list]
Shocked at the target's failure to combine everything except oranges and ice in a blender and mixing for about twenty seconds to create a frothy cream, before adding the oranges and blending for another twenty seconds or until smooth; and at last adding the ice and blending for another twenty seconds;

Hereby repeals, 365 GA 'Law Enforcement Education'.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:30 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:I found a few errors in formatting. I corrected them. I also added some text and deleted a clause because it flows better when you give the argument and explain why that argument is true. Also, I'm part of the no-styles crowd, so all the italics and stuff got removed, mostly because I feel, along with the rest of the no-styles crowd, that it looks better this way.

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Believing that better public relations with law enforcement is conducive to a harmonious and well-ordered society, but,

Rejecting the claim that such relations have deteriorated lately, as this is not the case in most nations,

Believing that this is simply not an international issue, as nations can deal with law enforcement education without World Assembly intervention in crime and judicial procedure,

Concerned that 365 GA 'Law Enforcement Education' requires public funding to be given to law enforcement agencies even in nations that use private police forces instead of public law enforcement agencies,

Disappointed that even though this is not an issue the World Assembly should deal with, the target resolution doesn't even deal with the issue adequately, as although it requires funding to be allocated for education programs and attendance of law enforcement officers at such education programs, it fails to require that those programes actually be created,

Also disappointed by the resolution's lack of:
[list][*]three oranges, peeled and de-veined,


[*]one cup of milk or coconut milk,


[*]one egg plus 2 egg yolks,


[*]one tsp. vanilla extract,


[*]two tbsp raw honey, and


[*]one and a half cups of ice; and[/list]
Shocked at the target's failure to combine everything except oranges and ice in a blender and mixing for about twenty seconds to create a frothy cream, before adding the oranges and blending for another twenty seconds or until smooth; and at last adding the ice and blending for another twenty seconds;

Hereby repeals, 365 GA 'Law Enforcement Education'.


"It looks fairly nice. I'll see about incorporating into the current draft, which has several changes to the 'Also Disappointed' clause."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:32 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:I found a few errors in formatting. I corrected them. I also added some text and deleted a clause because it flows better when you give the argument and explain why that argument is true. Also, I'm part of the no-styles crowd, so all the italics and stuff got removed, mostly because I feel, along with the rest of the no-styles crowd, that it looks better this way.

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Believing that better public relations with law enforcement is conducive to a harmonious and well-ordered society, but,

Rejecting the claim that such relations have deteriorated lately, as this is not the case in most nations,

Believing that this is simply not an international issue, as nations can deal with law enforcement education without World Assembly intervention in crime and judicial procedure,

Concerned that 365 GA 'Law Enforcement Education' requires public funding to be given to law enforcement agencies even in nations that use private police forces instead of public law enforcement agencies,

Disappointed that even though this is not an issue the World Assembly should deal with, the target resolution doesn't even deal with the issue adequately, as although it requires funding to be allocated for education programs and attendance of law enforcement officers at such education programs, it fails to require that those programes actually be created,

Also disappointed by the resolution's lack of:
[list][*]three oranges, peeled and de-veined,


[*]one cup of milk or coconut milk,


[*]one egg plus 2 egg yolks,


[*]one tsp. vanilla extract,


[*]two tbsp raw honey, and


[*]one and a half cups of ice; and[/list]
Shocked at the target's failure to combine everything except oranges and ice in a blender and mixing for about twenty seconds to create a frothy cream, before adding the oranges and blending for another twenty seconds or until smooth; and at last adding the ice and blending for another twenty seconds;

Hereby repeals, 365 GA 'Law Enforcement Education'.

"It looks fairly nice. I'll see about incorporating into the current draft, which has several changes to the 'Also Disappointed' clause."

It also does correct capitalisation errors.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:43 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:It also does correct capitalisation errors.


"I accepted the wording changes to the first preamble clause, and the 'Disappointed' clause, as well as the spacing in the list. Most other changes I rejected, because they were formatting changes that I didn't like. I also corrected a grammatical error in the first preambulatory clause, where you wrote 'public relations... is...', where 'are' should be used.

"All in all, I think this repeal is pretty solid as is."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:54 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:It also does correct capitalisation errors.


"I accepted the wording changes to the first preamble clause, and the 'Disappointed' clause, as well as the spacing in the list. Most other changes I rejected, because they were formatting changes that I didn't like. I also corrected a grammatical error in the first preambulatory clause, where you wrote 'public relations... is...', where 'are' should be used.

"All in all, I think this repeal is pretty solid as is."

Your Concerned clause, § d, should end with a comma, not a full stop. Similarly, the ingredients list should have commas, the second to last one should have an and, and the last element in that section should end with a comma, not a full stop.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:36 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
"I accepted the wording changes to the first preamble clause, and the 'Disappointed' clause, as well as the spacing in the list. Most other changes I rejected, because they were formatting changes that I didn't like. I also corrected a grammatical error in the first preambulatory clause, where you wrote 'public relations... is...', where 'are' should be used.

"All in all, I think this repeal is pretty solid as is."

Your Concerned clause, § d, should end with a comma, not a full stop. Similarly, the ingredients list should have commas, the second to last one should have an and, and the last element in that section should end with a comma, not a full stop.


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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:54 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Your Concerned clause, § d, should end with a comma, not a full stop. Similarly, the ingredients list should have commas, the second to last one should have an and, and the last element in that section should end with a comma, not a full stop.

"Alright, Mr. Grammar, anything else to add?"

Now that you've changed it to using semicolons, clauses § a-c ought end in semicolons as well.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:10 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:"Alright, Mr. Grammar, anything else to add?"

Now that you've changed it to using semicolons, clauses § a-c ought end in semicolons as well.


"But those are preambulatory clauses. Actually, now that I think about it, unlike in a normal resolution, where the preambulatory clauses cannot stand alone but the operative clauses can, and thus punctuation distinguishes them, in a repeal on the 'Hereby Repeals' clause can stand alone. Thus everything else needs a comma.

"Sorry, not used to writing repeals."
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Postby Sciongrad » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:45 pm

"Two grammatical quibbles. Firstly, the term 'the General Assembly' must appear somewhere for the resolution for it to make grammatical sense. A proposal can be thought of as a single, long sentence (which you quite rightly recognize, seeing as every clause in your proposal but the last ends with a comma). However, without throwing in 'the World Assembly' or 'the General Assembly' at the very beginning or before 'hereby' in the last clause, the proposal lacks a subject. Furthermore, in your last clause, you must put your period on the inside of a quotation mark (OOC: unless you're using some alternate form of English, which is very possible. Sometimes British grammar differs from American grammar, so if that's the case, my apologies).

Finally, I strongly advice that you remove the recipe clause. I do find it funny, but I can guarantee you that it will lose you many votes. Whether or not it's included won't change my vote, of course, but in the interest of securing this repeal's passage, I think it would be wise to remove that clause."
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:51 pm

Sciongrad wrote:"Two grammatical quibbles. Firstly, the term 'the General Assembly' must appear somewhere for the resolution to make grammatical sense. A proposal can be thought of as a single, long sentence (which you quite rightly recognize, seeing as every clause in your proposal but the last ends with a comma). However, without throwing in 'the World Assembly' or 'the General Assembly' at the very beginning or before 'hereby' in the last clause, the proposal lacks a subject.

"Sorry," Ambassador Schultz says, scribbling the words into the top of the latest draft. "I normally do that, it just apparently slipped my mind."

Furthermore, in your last clause, you must put your period on the inside of a quotation mark (OOC: unless your using some alternate form of English, which is very possible. Sometimes British grammar differs from American grammar, so if that's the case, my apologies).

"The period is not part of the target resolution's title, so I don't see why I should put it in the quotations around the title."

"Finally, I strongly advice that you remove the recipe clause. I do find it funny, but I can guarantee you that will lose you many votes. Whether or not it's included won't change my vote, but in the interest of securing this repeal's passage, I think it would be wise to remove that clause."

"If the target can pass, so can this repeal. Given the level of blind support already voiced, I would say that this has a good shot."
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Postby Sciongrad » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:55 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:"The period is not part of the target resolution's title, so I don't see why I should put it in the quotations around the title."

"Periods always go inside quotation marks, regardless of whether or not there is a period in the title."

"If the target can pass, so can this repeal. Given the level of blind support already voiced, I would say that this has a good shot."

"Again, I'm not opposed, but disabuse yourself of the notion that those ambassadors that prefer to stay locked in their offices all day have the same good humor that we do."
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:20 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:"The period is not part of the target resolution's title, so I don't see why I should put it in the quotations around the title."

"Periods always go inside quotation marks, regardless of whether or not there is a period in the title."

"Perhaps you have differing punctuation rules, Ambassador, but Excidium Planetis follows the rules with a degree of logic. Seems rather backwards to put exclamation points and question marks outside quotations when they were not present in the title, but to put commas and periods inside in the same situation, doesn't it?"
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:23 pm

Sciongrad wrote:"Periods always go inside quotation marks, regardless of whether or not there is a period in the title."

OOC: Fun fact, waaaay back in school I was taught that in Finnish grammar you're supposed to leave commas outside, when writing dialogue. Like "This is what I said", she commented. It never made any sense to me, so I've always preferred the English way for dialogue punctuation. However, including periods inside a direct quote (which is how I read using the proposal's title) when there aren't any, seems odd.

Further note: strong painkillers are distorting my reality a bit, so I'm prone to making tons of typos right now. Like when writing that sentence, I first wrote "tongs" instead of "tons".
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:33 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:"Periods always go inside quotation marks, regardless of whether or not there is a period in the title."

OOC: Fun fact, waaaay back in school I was taught that in Finnish grammar you're supposed to leave commas outside, when writing dialogue. Like "This is what I said", she commented. It never made any sense to me, so I've always preferred the English way for dialogue punctuation. However, including periods inside a direct quote (which is how I read using the proposal's title) when there aren't any, seems odd.

Further note: strong painkillers are distorting my reality a bit, so I'm prone to making tons of typos right now. Like when writing that sentence, I first wrote "tongs" instead of "tons".

It's also the correct way in English. You put the full stop after the end of the quote. Thus, "This is what I said".
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:37 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:It's also the correct way in English. You put the full stop after the end of the quote. Thus, "This is what I said".

OOC: Quote, yes, but dialogue, no. Right? Actually, nevermind, I can't handle grammar lessons right now. :P
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:47 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:It's also the correct way in English. You put the full stop after the end of the quote. Thus, "This is what I said".

OOC: Quote, yes, but dialogue, no. Right? Actually, nevermind, I can't handle grammar lessons right now. :P

It has to do with whether it was in the source when you quoted it. Dialogue would be like this:

    'I am', said Arthur, 'Arthur.'
The comma is added outside because Arthur did not say it. The full stop is in the quotes because Arthur did finish his sentence. If it is inside the quotation marks, then the person whom you quoted actually said that or punctuated their English in that manner. If it is outside the quotation marks, you added it independent of the original source. This does lead to issues like the following, but it is more respective to the original source material than what American (though many American journals and publications of a less provincialist variety are changing quickly what is a more logical and fact-based scheme which makes significantly more sense) does in pretending that quoted people said something they did not actually say.

    He asked, 'Am I alive?'.
In this case, Law Enforcement Education does not end with a full stop. Thus, your full stop goes outside the quotation mark.
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:52 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
It has to do with whether it was in the source when you quoted it. Dialogue would be like this:

'I am', said Arthur, 'Arthur.'

The comma is added outside because Arthur did not say it. The full stop is in the quotes because Arthur did finish his sentence. If it is inside the quotation marks, then the person whom you quoted actually said that or punctuated their English in that manner. If it is outside the quotation marks, you added it independent of the original source.

Araraukar wrote:Actually, nevermind, I can't handle grammar lessons right now. :P
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