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Arpak
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Postby Arpak » Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:18 am

The Bulgarian State wrote:The fat, bald and aging ambassador of the Bulgarian State would sit quietly in his chair, listening to the translation of the debate through his earphone. After a few weeks since the start of the ongoing debate, he'd have spoken to the Prime Minister regarding the issue several times, and his mind has been made up.

"Opposed." - said he, with a thick slavic accent.


The Ambassador of the Democratic Republic of Arpak listened with difficulty as it was hard for him to contain his anger. He remembered the suffering of his nation and family in the hands of the oppressive imperialist Maxtopian occupation forces.That was of course prior to the liberation of by the Patriotic Socialist Front of Arpak, later turned into the ruling PSPA (Patriotic Socialist Party of Arpak) party. Grateful to the country's two benevolent leaders, recipients of the will of the Arpakian people for their achievements of national independence, social justice and equality in just two years after the revolution against the Maxtopian oppressors and as a devoted member of the Party and the Front that preceeded it, he patiently waited for his turn and then commented on The Bulgarian State's Ambassador's decision

"Of course, such a decision should be expected by totalitarian nations such as yours, Bulgarian State Ambassador. Your region, Nazi Europa is doing nothing more but oppress and make any freedom and right that the people of the world have earned in blood evaporate. And of course, let's not forget about its Imperialist plans to overtake the World Assembly and put us under its tight, oppressive, inhumane control, depriving us of all liberties, monitoring us closely and doing nothing more but allow the manipulation of the smaller nations by the bigger ones continue until the end of time, trapped forever in an endless capitalist joke. The working people of Arpak as well as the World however, see through your deception and will not allow even for A SINGLE BAN or MEASURE on Cyber Warfare to be imposed on this Assembly by your authoritarian clique. The Workers of the World need EVERY and any MEANS necessary (Cyber Attacks included) to RESIST and successfully COMBAT any FASCIST force such as yours, until Socialism's everlasting victory over fascism and capitalism. Oppressors of the Free People of the World, you shall not pass your Neofascist Cyber Security Convention Resolution as the revolutionary spirit of the working class will stand tall to CRUSH it."
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Tinfect
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Postby Tinfect » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:25 am

Arpak wrote:The Ambassador of the Democratic Republic of Arpak listened with difficulty as it was hard for him to contain his anger. He remembered the suffering of his nation and family in the hands of the oppressive imperialist Maxtopian occupation forces.That was of course prior to the liberation of by the Patriotic Socialist Front of Arpak, later turned into the ruling PSPA (Patriotic Socialist Party of Arpak) party. Grateful to the country's two benevolent leaders, recipients of the will of the Arpakian people for their achievements of national independence, social justice and equality in just two years after the revolution against the Maxtopian oppressors and as a devoted member of the Party and the Front that preceeded it, he patiently waited for his turn and then commented on The Bulgarian State's Ambassador's decision

"Of course, such a decision should be expected by totalitarian nations such as yours, Bulgarian State Ambassador. Your region, Nazi Europa is doing nothing more but oppress and make any freedom and right that the people of the world have earned in blood evaporate. And of course, let's not forget about its Imperialist plans to overtake the World Assembly and put us under its tight, oppressive, inhumane control, depriving us of all liberties, monitoring us closely and doing nothing more but allow the manipulation of the smaller nations by the bigger ones continue until the end of time, trapped forever in an endless capitalist joke. The working people of Arpak as well as the World however, see through your deception and will not allow even for A SINGLE BAN or MEASURE on Cyber Warfare to be imposed on this Assembly by your authoritarian clique. The Workers of the World need EVERY and any MEANS necessary (Cyber Attacks included) to RESIST and successfully COMBAT any FASCIST force such as yours, until Socialism's everlasting victory over fascism and capitalism. Oppressors of the Free People of the World, you shall not pass your Neofascist Cyber Security Convention Resolution as the revolutionary spirit of the working class will stand tall to CRUSH it."


"Ambassador, do calm down. I believe you misunderstand both the Repeal, and the original legislation."
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The Infinite Dream
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Postby The Infinite Dream » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:29 am

We Couldnt Agree On A Name wrote:
Cybraxia wrote:
"And how would you define a computer? Am I a computer? I am an Android after all. Are Brains computers? They can compute."

An artificial device capable of performing automated calculations

The real question is "what category"?

However, how can one define "artificial"? If one takes the dictionary definition of "made or produced by humans", humans logically would be artificial as they require humans to create, sparing the detail... If one then argues that it is natural for humans to reproduce, then I would counter that it is just as natural for humans to use tools; in both cases, humans are using their brains to to the end that eventually helps to pass on their genes.

Most likely a merely theoretical question.

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Postby Tobiasia » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:33 am

The Republic of Tobiasia is most displeased by the latest WA proposals. It seems that the WA is more concerned with repealing past legislation than actually putting forward constructive legislation.
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The Infinite Dream
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Postby The Infinite Dream » Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:34 am

If past legislation is no longer constructive (i.e. useless or destructive), would it not be constructive to repeal it?

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Postby Cybraxia » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:06 am

The Infinite Dream wrote:If past legislation is no longer constructive (i.e. useless or destructive), would it not be constructive to repeal it?


"It would, as long as anything that comes after provides a better replacement."

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Postby Langersland » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:37 am

Cybraxia wrote:
Langersland wrote:"Can't we just ban computers altogether?"

"Seems from this here hullabaloo that the darned things are more trouble than they're worth."

"I say we'd be better off to just return to working things out on abacuses."


"And how would you define a computer? Am I a computer? I am an Android after all. Are Brains computers? They can compute."


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Postby Cybraxia » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:41 am

Langersland wrote:
Cybraxia wrote:
"And how would you define a computer? Am I a computer? I am an Android after all. Are Brains computers? They can compute."


"Shoot it, and see if it bleeds, sir"

"If it doesn't, burn it on a massive heap"


"Frankly your language is offensive, and your racism is noted. As is your blatant ignorance. It astounds me that some Ambassadors can have such backwards views."

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:47 am

Langersland wrote:
Cybraxia wrote:
"And how would you define a computer? Am I a computer? I am an Android after all. Are Brains computers? They can compute."


"Shoot it, and see if it bleeds, sir"

"If it doesn't, burn it on a massive heap"


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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:04 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Langersland wrote:
"Shoot it, and see if it bleeds, sir"

"If it doesn't, burn it on a massive heap"


"Are you aware that such actions are very likely in non-compliance with GA#354 and GA#355, if not also GA#35?"

"Only if done or condoned by state actors, I should think. Nothing makes those actions illegal in a criminal sense, but as an institution of government, as WA resolutions act on nations, not people. That said, you're rather correct."

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Postby The Infinite Dream » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:55 pm

Cybraxia wrote:
The Infinite Dream wrote:If past legislation is no longer constructive (i.e. useless or destructive), would it not be constructive to repeal it?


"It would, as long as anything that comes after provides a better replacement."

My point exactly. Removing something negative should logically be positive.

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Barrenjastan
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The repeal

Postby Barrenjastan » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:05 pm

What I was just getting used to carpet bombing civilian targets instead of launching cyber attacks...

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Matt Wild
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Postby Matt Wild » Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:25 pm

I agree with what you said out Cyber Security.

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 07, 2016 9:52 pm

Arpak wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I suggest you actually read the resolution before voting against it.


Oh, but we did honorable Wallenburg. Simply put, no, we don't want greater cyber security , and want more cyber warfare and attacks, which is why we voted FOR (and not AGAINST) the repeal on the cyber security convention, for reasons we clearly stated in our previous post.

Long story short, we believe that an increase in global Cyber Security will result to the rise of Cyber Security regulations, sooner or later leading to a ban on other forms of cyber warfare as well, which is something our honest and hard-working nation doesn't want or like at all.

I suggest you actually read our post before you rush to conclusions :).

The repeal does nothing to increase cyber warfare, and explicitly says that it wants a replacement to follow it.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:40 pm

"While I do not particularly care for the format of this repeal, its arguments against the target resolution agree with and generally mirror my own. Ambassador Markhov has clearly put considerable effort into polishing this resolution, and with essentially nothing to criticize, I lend my support and my vote in favor of this repeal."
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Postby BlackHat » Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:03 am

I also support this repeal. As a pen-tester IRL, I believe that teaching more individuals about security would be the true benefit to technology. Why do we get these software issues in the first place? Developers and Systems Administrators do not understand or wish to learn security, so they do not realize when their software or system configurations are actually creating security issues. 95% of the time, when doing a penetration test of either a network or piece of software, i get in because of a common mis-configuration or a basic security principle is not followed, not because there are some really sneaky custom exploits or 0-days that I'm using.

So with that being said, There should absolutely not be International databases of potential "Cyber Terrorists" because the the term can be applied so loosely as defined. "You said Edward Snowden performed a service by releasing sensitive information he *hacked/downloaded/copied* from the Old United States government? You're supporting Cyber Terrorism. I'm watching you now". That is not acceptable.

As a country with a colorful history founded with Information Security, I wholeheartedly support a repeal.

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Postby Orztotskha » Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:56 pm

The Orztotskhan ambassador raises his hand, attempting to add his two Ducats into the conversation. "We wholeheartedly agree, dearest Assembly," he booms. "'This resolution was utter rubbish in the first place."
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Postby Ghostopolis » Fri Apr 08, 2016 8:02 pm

Ambassador Geist bursts from within a nearby delegate's smartphone, straightens his tie, and strides to the assembly floor.

"I am not too surprised to find myself considering this particular resolution once again, given how much skepticism there was when it was originally debated. Given my own ambivalence and the overwhelming vote of my region, I must now cast my vote in favor of this repeal. This resolution gave many of us cause for concern when it was submitted, and time has not eased that doubt and skepticism. I would happily support an improved version of this resolution that clearly protects individual rights and does not allow for such a distracting argument on compliance and how far the language can stretch. I would like to add that this issue deserves consideration and legislation should exist on this subject. I am sure we will find the right one given a little more effort."

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Postby Aaaah Snaaaake » Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:00 pm

[Wallace Badgerton IV would nod gravely, smoothing his wild gray beard]

The nation of Aaah Snaaake is absolutely for this repeal. What right does the rest of the world have to police the technologies of The North Pacific and my own nation? Our young curious teenagers should be allowed to search for smut online in peace and our farmers order their marijuana seeds without eyes watching them! [He began the small speech softly, though crescendoed into a bellow. He sat back, catching his breath]

As for feed back for a better proposal, how about no proposal at all? As a nation with Information Technology as its leading sector, let regions and nations deal with cyber warfare as they see fit! Otherwise we turn World Assembly into World Fascist Assembly! [His speech once again began sofy rising to yelling, sitting back breathlessly as he finished and running his hands through his wild curling hair. One might think he resembled Jerry Garcia]
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Postby John Turner » Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:13 pm

Aaaah Snaaaake wrote:[Wallace Badgerton IV would nod gravely, smoothing his wild gray beard]

The nation of Aaah Snaaake is absolutely for this repeal. What right does the rest of the world have to police the technologies of The North Pacific and my own nation? Our young curious teenagers should be allowed to search for smut online in peace and our farmers order their marijuana seeds without eyes watching them! [He began the small speech softly, though crescendoed into a bellow. He sat back, catching his breath]

As for feed back for a better proposal, how about no proposal at all? As a nation with Information Technology as its leading sector, let regions and nations deal with cyber warfare as they see fit! Otherwise we turn World Assembly into World Fascist Assembly! [His speech once again began sofy rising to yelling, sitting back breathlessly as he finished and running his hands through his wild curling hair. One might think he resembled Jerry Garcia]

I see you didn't bother to read the actual Cyber Security Convention did you?
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Postby Fiall » Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:20 pm

Arpak wrote:Our Glorious State of the Democratic Republic of Arpak, couldn't possibly support this resolution more.

Cyber War not only is a perfect deterrent that improves the security of a nation, it is also an excellent defensive weapon during wartime. It boosts a nation's defensive capabilities greatly.

Besides, let's face it fellow WA members...cyber warfare, as damaging and dangerous it may be...actually spares the lives of many poor soldiers and innocent civilians on both sides. Why throw more human fuel in this madness that is War, when you can actually simply settle disputes through the actions of a well organized and trained hacker/informatics geniuses team and use computer viruses and other methods of hacking in place of bullets and gunpowder?


But, what happens when foreign agents use computer viruses to undermine a nation's power supply for instance. This could cause civilian casualties such as those on life support at a hospital. Where war causes death for soldiers mainly at least they understood the risks of going to war. Whereas civilians did not sign up for the risks of warfare.

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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:06 pm

Does the target resolution legalize rape? It is certainly quite a beating.
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Postby Verlzonia » Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:20 pm

In my personal ideology, people can paly around with the internet them selves. Unless it includes terrorists who are attacking fellow countries and using the said client to promote their terrorism, recruit, and attack anyone who don't stand with what they say....

Then I have no opposition on voting not too restrict freedom on the Internet.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:19 pm

John Turner wrote:I see you didn't bother to read the actual Cyber Security Convention did you?


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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:50 pm

Sionis Prioratus wrote:Does the target resolution legalize rape? It is certainly quite a beating.

What the hell are you talking about?
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