[DEFEATED] WA Peacekeeping Charter

[Araraukar]

The piece in question reads:

Clarifies that the WA Peacekeepers are not a military force, nor are they ever to be used as such,

"THERE WILL BE NO INVASIONS." Timmons quickly yells out, before snaking his knife back into its sheathe.

Well, you might not think of them as a military force, but if they have lethal weapons, move as troops and have military-style transport and support, then what else are they but a military force? (OOC: UN Peacekeepers are basically a UN army, whether you like it or not.)

[Solarmania]

Is this another plot to take over the world by the gnomes?

[States of Glory WA Office]

Barbera: The Peacekeepers are not allowed to use non-lethal force on state actors, yet they are able to use lethal force on state actors under certain circumstances. We must oppose this proposal.

[Galavance]

Evgeny furrowed his brows lightly, reading, and then rereading, and then rereading again. The young man pursed his brows and hummed lightly.

"Regardless of the conversations that were held before I finally opened my mouth, regardless of the explanations, this resolution in and of itself seems to be packed with things that are not entirely explained. I would like to know how the Tasks of the Peacekeepers will be laid out before anything is done. How do you plan on helping these countries disarm? How do you plan on reintegrating soldiers into civilian society? How do you plan on handling the individuals that don't adhere to the doctrine? A violent force can not be stopped by flower crowns and pretty words. This isn't a fairy tale, as much as people would like it to be."

He'd thin his lips, scratching at his temple. "I do not like the way this sounds, my nation had been oppressed by a 'peacekeeping' force that turned out to not be very peacekeeping at all. My prime worry is that it starts here, yet more and more power is added to this 'Peacekeeping' organization until we are oppressed by the very "peace" that seemed so bright in the beginning."

[Zandarre]

I vote against this resolution, because it removes the right to bear arms on WA property.

[Excidium Planetis]

Well, you might not think of them as a military force, but if they have lethal weapons, move as troops and have military-style transport and support, then what else are they but a military force?

Timmons folds up another scrap of the draft and throws it at Ambassador Leveret.

This one reads:

Non-use of force. Except in cases of self defense, Peacekeepers are to refrain from using lethal force, and shall be prohibited from carrying lethal weapons.

OOC: I wasn't aware the inability to comply with GA#122 had spread even to you.

I vote against this resolution, because it removes the right to bear arms on WA property.

Sergeant Timmons looks down at his own rocket pistol. He then looks up at the Ambassador speaking. He shakes his head from side to side.

[Mandokarla]

Prohibits WA personnel from carrying lethal weapons on WAHQ property. WA personnel are committee members and employees of the WA.

Sergeant Timmons looks down at his own rocket pistol. He then looks up at the Ambassador speaking. He shakes his head from side to side.

Pretty sure a rocket pistol is lethal. You can't have it both ways.

[Wallenburg]

Prohibits WA personnel from carrying lethal weapons on WAHQ property. WA personnel are committee members and employees of the WA.

Sergeant Timmons looks down at his own rocket pistol. He then looks up at the Ambassador speaking. He shakes his head from side to side.

Pretty sure a rocket pistol is lethal. You can't have it both ways.

"Ambassadors are not World Assembly personnel."

[Leruc]

Prohibits WA personnel from carrying lethal weapons on WAHQ property. WA personnel are committee members and employees of the WA.

Sergeant Timmons looks down at his own rocket pistol. He then looks up at the Ambassador speaking. He shakes his head from side to side.

Pretty sure a rocket pistol is lethal. You can't have it both ways.

*A tentative voice rises up from the back of the debating room*
Are...are delegates considered to be employees, sir?
It's just that.....well.....I'm not actually getting er, paid.....sir. Perhaps there was.......er, some mistake?
It's er....fine. I don't want to blame anyone for......not sending me any er....paycheck. It was probably my fault....
*The voice trails off into inaudible murmurs.*

OOC: Seriously though, delegates and their assistants/associates/bodyguards/pets cannot be considered committee members, but are they considered employees for the purpose of this legislation? Surely an employee needs an employer?

[Normlpeople]

Pretty sure a rocket pistol is lethal. You can't have it both ways.

*A tentative voice rises up from the back of the debating room*
Are...are delegates considered to be employees, sir?
It's just that.....well.....I'm not actually getting er, paid.....sir. Perhaps there was.......er, some mistake?
It's er....fine. I don't want to blame anyone for......not sending me any er....paycheck. It was probably my fault....
*The voice trails off into inaudible murmurs.*

OOC: Seriously though, delegates and their assistants/associates/bodyguards/pets cannot be considered committee members, but are they considered employees for the purpose of this legislation? Surely an employee needs an employer?

OOC: Employees of the governments of the nations they represent, not of the WA proper. IMHO, WA employees would be the gnomes that staff committees, thier slaves interns and other staff hired directly by the WA.

[Leruc]

My prime worry is that it starts here, yet more and more power is added to this 'Peacekeeping' organization until we are oppressed by the very "peace" that seemed so bright in the beginning."

This resolution explicitly prohibits the Peacekeeping force from being given additional powers not laid out in this resolution. For the Peacekeepers to be given more power, this resolution would first have to be repealed.

[Excidium Planetis]

My prime worry is that it starts here, yet more and more power is added to this 'Peacekeeping' organization until we are oppressed by the very "peace" that seemed so bright in the beginning."

This resolution explicitly prohibits the Peacekeeping force from being given additional powers not laid out in this resolution. For the Peacekeepers to be given more power, this resolution would first have to be repealed.

Sergeant Timmons nods fiercely, then remembers there is a recording for this momentous occasion.

Recording #21 plays, and Blackbourne's voice calls out over the speakers: "I would like to thank the Ambassador for excellent reading comprehension! It is lacking these days..."

[Somewhere Nearby]

So this requires me to refrain from any defensive military actions that could be misconstrued as offensive military actions by somebody else's whim. That sucks enough.

It requires me to become a quadriplegic so I can't possibly punch or kick anyone with lethal force. It requires me to have all of my teeth removed so I can't possibly bite anyone with lethal force. And it requires me to be put into a neck brace so I can't possibly headbutt anyone with lethal force. All of this in order to enter WAHQ property without lethal weapons. Perhaps it may even prohibit me from bringing any pet bakers onto WAHQ property, even though they also provide services that aren't regarded as lethal.

Let's consider we just add an exception that natural-born humans are acceptable. What about people that were born via Cesarean section? What about people who were born via artificial insemination? What about nations where even having a job requires becoming a cyborg? Should the countries with populations that are grown in vats be prohibited from WA grounds? Should cyborgs be banned just because their augmented abilities can be lethal?

[Leruc]

So this requires me to refrain from any defensive military actions that could be misconstrued as offensive military actions by somebody else's whim. That sucks enough.

It requires me to become a quadriplegic so I can't possibly punch or kick anyone with lethal force. It requires me to have all of my teeth removed so I can't possibly bite anyone with lethal force. And it requires me to be put into a neck brace so I can't possibly headbutt anyone with lethal force. All of this in order to enter WAHQ property without lethal weapons. Perhaps it may even prohibit me from bringing any pet bakers onto WAHQ property, even though they also provide services that aren't regarded as lethal.

Let's consider we just add an exception that natural-born humans are acceptable. What about people that were born via Cesarean section? What about people who were born via artificial insemination? What about nations where even having a job requires becoming a cyborg? Should the countries with populations that are grown in vats be prohibited from WA grounds? Should cyborgs be banned just because their augmented abilities can be lethal?

With all due respect ambassador, I feel you are being facetious. This proposal has been open for debate for months, if you took issue with the fact that the terms 'lethal weapon' are not defined in exacting detail, perhaps you should have brought it up at an appropriate time. And if indeed you take issue with the fact that the terms 'lethal weapon' are not defined in exacting detail, there are more appropriate ways to express your dissatisfaction than by extending your interpretation of this resolution to its absurd extreme. No one is suggesting that anything which could possibly ever be used at some point to inflict lethal harm be prohibited from the World Assembly Headquarters, because as you pointed out, such a prohibition would cover anything and everything. I do not feel an exacting list of 'lethal weapons' need be provided for this resolution as the nature of a 'lethal weapon' as opposed to a 'non-lethal weapon' seems fairly clear, as does the distinction between an object designed with the intention of being used to inflict lethal harm, and an object which is simply being used to inflict lethal harm.
Nor does this proposal prevent your nation itself from engaging in military actions against other nations, it merely prohibits the World Assembly from joining you in those same military actions.

[Excidium Planetis]

So this requires me to refrain from any defensive military actions that could be misconstrued as offensive military actions by somebody else's whim. That sucks enough.

OOC, because I give up trying to explain to people in character.
1) Your nation is not a WA organization.
2) That's not a remotely reasonable interpretation of offensive.

It requires me to become a quadriplegic so I can't possibly punch or kick anyone with lethal force. It requires me to have all of my teeth removed so I can't possibly bite anyone with lethal force. And it requires me to be put into a neck brace so I can't possibly headbutt anyone with lethal force. All of this in order to enter WAHQ property without lethal weapons. Perhaps it may even prohibit me from bringing any pet bakers onto WAHQ property, even though they also provide services that aren't regarded as lethal.

1) You aren't a WA employee or committee member, so you aren't prohibited from carrying lethal weapons.
2) Holy f***, do people not even know what a lethal weapon is?

Let's consider we just add an exception that natural-born humans are acceptable. What about people that were born via Cesarean section? What about people who were born via artificial insemination? What about nations where even having a job requires becoming a cyborg?

GA#355. READ IT. It's even helpfully linked in my signature.


This is now two resolutions in a row defeated by people being unable to read.

[Horsean]

You want to force us to disarm? The lions will murder us! Neigh..........I meant nay!

[Leruc]

You want to force us to disarm? The lions will murder us! Neigh..........I meant nay!

OOC: Oh for crying out loud, please READ the resolution and at least a few other comments before commenting yourself.

Ambassadors are not WA personnel or committee members. Ambassadors are not required to disarm. Ambassadors and the nations they represent are not prohibited from military action against other nations.

[Wallenburg]

OOC: The willful ignorance in this thread is absolutely astounding.

[United Front of Espea]

"Right; I honestly do not see what the fuss with this Charter is, quite honestly, the entire thing outlines the abilities of WA Organisations only, it does not limit what a nation or region can do it-self, as long as they do not abuse WA Organisations to defend themselves from other nations via fraud, or decide that being a terrorist is a good idea."

The woman coughs lightly, before continuing.

"And so I ask anyone who has a problem with this Charter; what the heck is the problem?"

OOC: New around here, all I can see is people playing devil's advocate, is this real life politics now?

[Merni]

"Right; I honestly do not see what the fuss with this Charter is, quite honestly, the entire thing outlines the abilities of WA Organisations only, it does not limit what a nation or region can do it-self, as long as they do not abuse WA Organisations to defend themselves from other nations via fraud, or decide that being a terrorist is a good idea."

The woman coughs lightly, before continuing.

"And so I ask anyone who has a problem with this Charter; what the heck is the problem?"

OOC: New around here, all I can see is people playing devil's advocate, is this real life politics now?

OOC: We play devil's advocate a lot, because it is the best way to find loopholes.

[United Front of Espea]

OOC: We play devil's advocate a lot, because it is the best way to find loopholes.

OOC: Fair's fair, although this specific situation seems a bit extreme in that case.

[Solarmania]

Standing up, the Solarmanian ambassador screams into his microphone "This is obviously a plot by the gnomes to let them have power! We must have a gnome testify!"

[Alazea]

Now the resolution at vote states that peacekeepers are able to use force in self defence. Is this limited however exclusively to the defence of peacekeepers? If people are being attacked but the peacekeepers themselves are not being threatened or harmed are they able to use force; lethal or otherwise against the aggressors?

[Nerodanus]

Sky stands up, looking around at the other people within the room.

"Respectfully, Nerodanus votes Nay. We believe the Security Council does a good enough job so that Peacekeepers are not necessary."

[Papal Sovereign State]

His Supreme Holinessof thePapal Sovereign State enters and makes a statement.

I strongly OPPOSE. Papal Sovereign State is firm with opposing this proposal. The World Assebly should be a way to peace not war. If giving an army to the WA will trigger war then I say this must STOP