[PASSED] Condemn DEN (by A Million Dollars)

[Luminesa]

Are you a raider?

I am a lieutenant in DEN and PFC in The Black Hawks. I am also a SC author.

Alright.

[Sibling land]

I am sorry to everyone that said they would not vote for. I am almost sympathetic to you. If you are voting against, answer me this. [i]Do you want your country overrun by raiders?[i]

[Luminesa]

I am sorry to everyone that said they would not vote for. I am almost sympathetic to you. If you are voting against, answer me this. Do you want your country overrun by raiders?

[We Are Not the NSA]

I am sorry to everyone that said they would not vote for. I am almost sympathetic to you. If you are voting against, answer me this. Do you want your country overrun by raiders?

Are you aware that a Condemnation will do absolutely nothing to prevent that?

[Maltropia]

I am sorry to everyone that said they would not vote for. I am almost sympathetic to you. If you are voting against, answer me this. Do you want your country overrun by raiders?

My region already has been and I'm still voting against because even a well-written resolution wouldn't do anything.

[Veniristan]

I, a perfectly unbiased member of the community, see no reason why such an upright Region of NS should be condemned

[Naginii]

IS ANYTHING GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU PEOPLE? DEN is an evil regime and we can't condemn them because of WORDING! WE ARE BEING WAAAAAAAAAY TO PICKY. DEN must, MUST, be condemned by the WA. If you can't realize that you are just as bad as DEN!!!!

That's how we humans are, unfortunately. Because of our ignorance, we are (in this case) more concerned on looks (such as the proposal's "wording") than what beneficial outcome/s it could possibly give us.

Personally, I think the "wording" is average. Not too horrible, but not too good either. It's somewhere in between. But it wouldn't be any reason for me not to vote. I don't care if condemnation can do nothing but give them "badges." If the Security Council is not as beneficial to the game like what others said then we can't do anything about it unless Max Barry does something big that will actually make the Security Council a force not to be reckoned with. After all, it's called a Security Council for a reason. No matter how much we rant, we scream in caps lock etc. Others are just doing their job and I'm just doing my job as a part of the World Assembly and voted (I voted for) for what I think is best. No matter if that is how the gaming style of others are, it still does not give them a good reason to take over a region forcefully. Some might be okay with it. But remember, there will always be people who won't like it. Saying you're against it because it's the gaming style of others is like saying North Korea's actions in threatening its neighbors with nukes is completely acceptable because that's how Kim Jong Un likes to rule. This is a Security Council. Of course we should be concerned as to what other regions are doing. And as a body of individuals who chose to join or participate in the council, we should set aside our ignorance, opinions and keep an open mind and think what is good or bad for the gaming community as a whole. With this said, I think DEN should be punished one way or another even though condemning might not change a thing. If you think you can get away with what you've done. You're not.

DEN is only "getting away" with playing a legal gametype you don't like.
Raiding isn't illegal, so there's nothing to "get away with."

[Lychgate]

I, a perfectly unbiased member of the community, see no reason why such an upright Region of NS should be condemned

And I, as another perfectly unbiased member of the community, direct you to several founderless RMBs, where you may see the wonderful things that this upright, honorable region is posting.

"DEN IS THE GREATEST"
"THE DEN ARMY IS INVINCIBLE!"
"ALL WILL FALL TO DEN!"

I, as a cynicist, would like to note the great exaggeration in this post before I get a salty response.

[The Faithful of Numenor]

The wording of this is terrible.

IS ANYTHING GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU PEOPLE? DEN is an evil regime and we can't condemn them because of WORDING! WE ARE BEING WAAAAAAAAAY TO PICKY. DEN must, MUST, be condemned by the WA. If you can't realize that you are just as bad as DEN!!!!

First of all, you do realize that raiding isn't illegal? We should be condemning raiding NOT DEN! Even then we don't make the laws we just do things like propose liberation's, and condemnation's. It's the General Assembly who should be first communicating and reasoning with DEN. If DEN attacks places like idk the Pacific Ocean? Then we should condemn but this is not the time nor the place.

[The Faithful of Numenor]

I am sorry to everyone that said they would not vote for. I am almost sympathetic to you. If you are voting against, answer me this. Do you want your country overrun by raiders?

My region already has been and I'm still voting against because even a well-written resolution wouldn't do anything.

With all do respect WA members, you proposing a condemnation will take too long and besides when it is over it will be too late to stop DEN. All I am seeing (once again with all due respect) is a repeat of Trade Federation (DEN) Invading Naboo (other regions) and the Republic (WA) just sits there and DEBATES about it!!!!!

[John Turner]

We should be condemning raiding NOT DEN!

How would you propose doing something like this?

Even then we don't make the laws we just do things like propose liberation's, and condemnation's. It's the General Assembly who should be first communicating and reasoning with DEN.

Wrong. The General Assembly cannot pass any resolutions which affect the game itself. That would be meta-gaming. If you don't know the rules, please don't give advice as it just makes you and the person that follows it look bad.

If DEN attacks places like idk the Pacific Ocean? Then we should condemn but this is not the time nor the place.

Why would this be any more condemnable that them raiding a one person region? I believe you are conflating real life with NationStates here. I suggest taking the time to read up on the rules, and how raiding works before posting further.

With all do respect WA members, you proposing a condemnation will take too long and besides when it is over it will be too late to stop DEN.

A condemnation takes the exact same amount of time to vote on as any other resolution, and condemnation will do nothing to stop DEN any way. Like I said please touch up on the rule first as you are making yourself look very bad at the moment.

All I am seeing (once again with all due respect) is a repeat of Trade Federation (DEN) Invading Naboo (other regions) and the Republic (WA) just sits there and DEBATES about it!!!!!

Great Star Wars analogy, and I applaud you for it, but unlike the Republic, there is nothing the WA can do to stop DEN from continuing to raid. They are utilizing the most basic functions of the game.

[The LBP Union]

Condemnations are not suitable in any situation. Giving DEN or any other band of trolls a badge of honor is not going to solve the problem, only make it worse. I guarantee you that immediately after this becomes a resolution, DEN will utilize this Condemnation to help their recruitment.

[We Are Not the NSA]

My region already has been and I'm still voting against because even a well-written resolution wouldn't do anything.

With all do respect WA members, you proposing a condemnation will take too long and besides when it is over it will be too late to stop DEN. All I am seeing (once again with all due respect) is a repeat of Trade Federation (DEN) Invading Naboo (other regions) and the Republic (WA) just sits there and DEBATES about it!!!!!

To be fair to the WA, unlike the Republic there really isn't anything it can do.

[The Shire and Bree-land]

That's how we humans are, unfortunately. Because of our ignorance, we are (in this case) more concerned on looks (such as the proposal's "wording") than what beneficial outcome/s it could possibly give us.

Personally, I think the "wording" is average. Not too horrible, but not too good either. It's somewhere in between. But it wouldn't be any reason for me not to vote. I don't care if condemnation can do nothing but give them "badges." If the Security Council is not as beneficial to the game like what others said then we can't do anything about it unless Max Barry does something big that will actually make the Security Council a force not to be reckoned with. After all, it's called a Security Council for a reason. No matter how much we rant, we scream in caps lock etc. Others are just doing their job and I'm just doing my job as a part of the World Assembly and voted (I voted for) for what I think is best. No matter if that is how the gaming style of others are, it still does not give them a good reason to take over a region forcefully. Some might be okay with it. But remember, there will always be people who won't like it. Saying you're against it because it's the gaming style of others is like saying North Korea's actions in threatening its neighbors with nukes is completely acceptable because that's how Kim Jong Un likes to rule. This is a Security Council. Of course we should be concerned as to what other regions are doing. And as a body of individuals who chose to join or participate in the council, we should set aside our ignorance, opinions and keep an open mind and think what is good or bad for the gaming community as a whole. With this said, I think DEN should be punished one way or another even though condemning might not change a thing. If you think you can get away with what you've done. You're not.

DEN is only "getting away" with playing a legal gametype you don't like.
Raiding isn't illegal, so there's nothing to "get away with."

If condemning DEN won't work (which it obviously won't) then what else is there that we can do? I mean besides waiting for an outcome. If there isn't anything we can do then... I fear that DEN will start picking other regions to raid, including the regions that we're in.

[We Are Not the NSA]

DEN is only "getting away" with playing a legal gametype you don't like.
Raiding isn't illegal, so there's nothing to "get away with."

If condemning DEN won't work (which it obviously won't) then what else is there that we can do? I mean besides waiting for an outcome. If there isn't anything we can do then... I fear that DEN will start picking other regions to raid, including the regions that we're in.

As long as your delegate is nonexecutive, you are safe from raids, seeing how your region does not have a delegate it is rather pointless allowing the position to hold executive powers.

[The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper]

We need a stronger piece of legislation to condemn DEN, I feel this one is too weak and will not be the pillar Condemnation we need to show the world how bad DEN is.

The weaker the condemnation, the more embarrassed DEN will be to bear it.

If this is truly your aim, then you've done well.

[Wallenburg]

We need a stronger piece of legislation to condemn DEN, I feel this one is too weak and will not be the pillar Condemnation we need to show the world how bad DEN is.

The weaker the condemnation, the more embarrassed DEN will be to bear it.

So you admit that your condemnation is shoddy?

In any case, DEN can use the lack of quality in this resolution to campaign on the platform "even a piece of crap condemning us can win! Look how many people hate us so strongly! Clearly, we are the best at what we do!"

[The Dolanets Islands]

http://imgur.com/BRZxAnE

DEN is actually helping. This is Portugal r's freedoms after DEN liberated it's citizens.
Glory to DEN and Gest!

[We Are Not the NSA]

http://imgur.com/BRZxAnE

DEN is actually helping. This is Portugal r's freedoms after DEN liberated it's citizens.
Glory to DEN and Gest!

I see no issues with this information and think that no one should attempt to fact check it in any way because it is totally legit. Legitimately.

[Ramaeus]

I see no issues with this condemnation.

[John Turner]

The weaker the condemnation, the more embarrassed DEN will be to bear it.

If this is truly your aim, then you've done well.

Somehow I think this was more of a blind shot in the dark with a busted scope, that by some miracle of divine intervention managed to wind up as a head shot. Don't quote me on that though.....

[Solarmania]

Here's a great idea, why not commend DEN?

[The Bruce]

Badly written and inaccurate.

It has no mention of "DEN" being a zombie branded region, coasting on the name of an older group instead of creating their own identity.

This condemnation of "DEN" should also be set aside until the fallout from the Predator illegal script used by invaders happens, so that can be included in a proper condemnation, so that it's more than a puff piece about how "scary" they are.

While it mentions that "DEN" work in association with other invaders, it infers that they take over regions on their own. Any condemnation needs to separate what they actually did on their own versus what they needed 5-7 other groups to accomplish.

[Roosevetania]

That is rather haughty. Some people don't speak English as a first language.


For.

French isn't my first language, but I still paid attention during class. Either way, if this proposal, which was submitted to an English speaking body, had gone through any drafting at all, someone who does speak English as a first language could have helped fix it.

Well what if you had to submit an acceptable proposal in front of thousands of French people and it had to be in French?

[President Rykov]

You guys are idiots.