[PASSED] A Promotion of Basic Education

[Kryozerkia]

Non-religious and atheistic nations can include religion in their teachings in a variety of ways than just exclusively theologically, anthropology classes are a particularly good way of doing so while still separating the classroom or students from belief and relying on observation and critical analysis instead.

An understanding of religion even in its most abstract form provides an understanding of those who believe in their faith that may otherwise be misunderstood by aggressively atheistic nations. We're not talking about mandating that we teach our children straight from the good book, and beat them into believing in the divine walrus ... unless you want to, that is.

IC:

Those are your intentions. Noble. However, we do see an issue: it could be used by nations that hold low or little regard for religion as a blank cheque for further demonising all religions. The same clause could be used by theocratic nations to promote their single faith in a shining light while painting others as grotesque, genocidal beliefs that mandate that you eat babies.

That aside, ambassador, why mandate basic subjects? It assumes that all nations follow a primary-secondary-tertiary system. Should this draft not account for non-tradition systems?

[Unibot]

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification, they must have been provided with at least a fair, and accurate, however basic of education it is in...
(a) The official or popular language, and literature of their nation;
(b) Mathematics -- particularly summation, and other arithmetic and fundamental operations;
(c) Political ideologies that have been nationally and/or internationally accepted;
(d) Their nation of residence’s governmental policies, and process;
(e) Social and political history of their national community and the world abroad;
(f) Common spiritual or religious practices and belief systems particularly in their nation of residence but not limited to the nebulous concept of 'religion' as a whole;
(g) Ecological, environmental and natural sciences;
(h) Any sphere of geography, astrography, social sciences, theology or philosophy that could provide more understanding and potentially compassion for their international neighbors;

The clauses in red pertain to religion and the inclusion of stereotyping in education. Further clauses may be needed.

Why mandate basic subjects?

I believe, for example in 2(H) that the basic subjects are included in the text to help the reader who is familiar with the subjects understand the clause better and understand the direction to approach the resolution with. However, I am working on an alternative draft that may help to amend this potential homogenization.

EDIT:
Like this...

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A fair and impartial understanding of political ideologies that have been nationally and/or internationally accepted;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common spiritual or religious practices and belief systems particularly in their nation of residence but not limited to the analysis of 'religion' as an ambiguous whole;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• An acquaintance to cultural relativism and knowledge that could provide them with more understanding and potentially compassion for their international neighbors –- including but not limited to traveling abroad, or educating students in geography, astrography, social sciences, conflict resolution, theology or philosophy;

[Krioval]

Is there a way to fold education on the subject of religion into a broader "social studies" category that would include topics like politics and culture?

Ambassador Darvek-kan Tyvok
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval

[Unibot]

Is there a way to fold education on the subject of religion into a broader "social studies" category that would include topics like politics and culture?

Ambassador Darvek-kan Tyvok
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval

I don't know if I know exactly what you mean, can provide a general example?

Yours
Pascal S. Wager

[Krioval]

I don't know if I know exactly what you mean, can provide a general example?

Actually, "social...history of their national community" should cover any topics on religion or spirituality that would be relevant, in our opinion - especially at a "primary" level of education.

Ambassador Darvek-kan Tyvok
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval

[Unibot]

Do you mean like...

• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;

??

[Unibot]

I don't know if I know exactly what you mean, can provide a general example?

Actually, "social...history of their national community" should cover any topics on religion or spirituality that would be relevant, in our opinion - especially at a "primary" level of education.

Ambassador Darvek-kan Tyvok
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval

True, but sometimes social history and the common religion and spirituality of a nation can differ drastically, particularly if there is an underground popularity for a belief system, with an autocratic leader who does not support the religion.

[Unibot]

The inclusion of that criteria would shorten it to these restrictions...

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• An acquaintance to cultural relativism and knowledge that could provide them with more understanding and potentially compassion for their international neighbors –- including but not limited to traveling abroad, or educating students in geography, astrography, social sciences, conflict resolution, theology or philosophy;

...and the last one might not even be needed anymore.

[Krioval]

True, but sometimes social history and the common religion and spirituality of a nation can differ drastically, particularly if there is an underground popularity for a belief system, with an autocratic leader who does not support the religion.

It's not a terrible clause, to be sure, but I can imagine a lot of complaints hinging on its specific inclusion. The WA currently grants religious freedom, so the scenario Your Excellency has provided is unlikely. However, if Your Excellency insists on specifically mentioning religion in this proposal, the Imperial Chiefdom will not offer opposition on this reason alone.

Ambassador Darvek-kan Tyvok
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval

[Unibot]

True, but sometimes social history and the common religion and spirituality of a nation can differ drastically, particularly if there is an underground popularity for a belief system, with an autocratic leader who does not support the religion.

It's not a terrible clause, to be sure, but I can imagine a lot of complaints hinging on its specific inclusion. The WA currently grants religious freedom, so the scenario Your Excellency has provided is unlikely. However, if Your Excellency insists on specifically mentioning religion in this proposal, the Imperial Chiefdom will not offer opposition on this reason alone.

Ambassador Darvek-kan Tyvok
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval

See my further comments, I won't insist anything, ambassador. I'll just be sneaky with noble intentions.

[Sionis Prioratus]

• An acquaintance to cultural relativism and knowledge that could provide them with more understanding and potentially compassion for their international neighbors –- including but not limited to traveling abroad, or educating students in geography, astrography, social sciences, conflict resolution, theology or philosophy;

Ever more close to perfection, but I do think any generic mention of "knowledge", along with the "not limited to" formula can lead to "hyberbolic interpretations" that are the central argument of the Repeal still at vote, we regretfully must inform.

Otherwise, a successful enterprise.

[Unibot]

• An acquaintance to cultural relativism and knowledge that could provide them with more understanding and potentially compassion for their international neighbors –- including but not limited to traveling abroad, or educating students in geography, astrography, social sciences, conflict resolution, theology or philosophy;

Ever more close to perfection, but I do think any generic mention of "knowledge", along with the "not limited to" formula can lead to "hyberbolic interpretations" that are the central argument of the Repeal still at vote, we regretfully must inform.

Otherwise, a successful enterprise.

How'll about removing that clause completely...

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

??

[Mousebumples]

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

I definitely prefer this to the original.

I wouldn't mind a clarification regarding the understanding of basic arithmetic to be able to accomplish asks to function in the local economy (i.e. ability to balance a checkbook, etc.), but I'm not sure if that would be organic. And specifying that sort of detail is likely inappropriate since some nations may not have banks/checking accounts/etc. for individuals.

I'd also love to see a copy of the comprehensive latest version when you have a chance.

[Sionis Prioratus]

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

I definitely prefer this to the original.

Seconded!

[Unibot]

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

I definitely prefer this to the original.

I wouldn't mind a clarification regarding the understanding of basic arithmetic to be able to accomplish asks to function in the local economy (i.e. ability to balance a checkbook, etc.), but I'm not sure if that would be organic. And specifying that sort of detail is likely inappropriate since some nations may not have banks/checking accounts/etc. for individuals.

I'd also love to see a copy of the comprehensive latest version when you have a chance.

I'd be a fan of including basic financial knowledge as well into the education,

How'll about...

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A basic knowledge of financial mathematics and concepts, currency and economics that is appropriate to the economy of their nation;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

???

[Sionis Prioratus]

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A basic knowledge of financial mathematics and concepts, currency and economics that is appropriate to the economy of their nation;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

I'm for it. You managed to do it without falling in Ideological Ban pitfalls, good job.

[Mousebumples]

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A basic knowledge of financial mathematics and concepts, currency and economics that is appropriate to the economy of their nation;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

[Jey]

That aside, ambassador, why mandate basic subjects? It assumes that all nations follow a primary-secondary-tertiary system. Should this draft not account for non-tradition systems?

I agree with Kryozerkia here, Unibot. While Jey does follow the typical primary-secondary-tertiary(-quaternary-quintary) system, I see no need to evangelize this type of education system.

I also take issue with the necessity that students need to learn these subjects before the "age of basic edification". What occurs with non-ageist nations that affirm all rights to those at the moment of birth, or otherwise very low ages of edification that could not possibly comply with this resolution?

Vance Aceon
Deputy Presiding Jevian WA Representative

[Unibot]

That aside, ambassador, why mandate basic subjects? It assumes that all nations follow a primary-secondary-tertiary system. Should this draft not account for non-tradition systems?

I agree with Kryozerkia here, Unibot. While Jey does follow the typical primary-secondary-tertiary(-quaternary-quintary) system, I see no need to evangelize this type of education system.

I also take issue with the necessity that students need to learn these subjects before the "age of basic edification". What occurs with non-ageist nations that affirm all rights to those at the moment of birth, or otherwise very low ages of edification that could not possibly comply with this resolution?

Vance Aceon
Deputy Presiding Jevian WA Representative

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A basic knowledge of financial mathematics and concepts, currency and economics that is appropriate to the economy of their nation;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

And how does this nation plan on complying to these requirements without waiting to teach citizens at an appropriate age (yet still before the biological definition of the Age of Basic Edification)?

[Jey]

That aside, ambassador, why mandate basic subjects? It assumes that all nations follow a primary-secondary-tertiary system. Should this draft not account for non-tradition systems?

I agree with Kryozerkia here, Unibot. While Jey does follow the typical primary-secondary-tertiary(-quaternary-quintary) system, I see no need to evangelize this type of education system.

I also take issue with the necessity that students need to learn these subjects before the "age of basic edification". What occurs with non-ageist nations that affirm all rights to those at the moment of birth, or otherwise very low ages of edification that could not possibly comply with this resolution?

Vance Aceon
Deputy Presiding Jevian WA Representative

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A basic knowledge of financial mathematics and concepts, currency and economics that is appropriate to the economy of their nation;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

And how does this nation plan on complying to these requirements without waiting to teach citizens at an appropriate age (yet still before the biological definition of the Age of Basic Edification)?

Let me clarify: let's say the age of basic edification were 0. It would make it impossible for said nation to be compliant.

[Sionis Prioratus]

Is a committee in order? A committee is always appropriate to handle elusive definitions.

[Piliotechnostracy]

Ding! Committee! Dong! Cimmottee! Duplicate yourself in case of extraneous eventualities!!!!

[Unibot]

That aside, ambassador, why mandate basic subjects? It assumes that all nations follow a primary-secondary-tertiary system. Should this draft not account for non-tradition systems?

I agree with Kryozerkia here, Unibot. While Jey does follow the typical primary-secondary-tertiary(-quaternary-quintary) system, I see no need to evangelize this type of education system.

I also take issue with the necessity that students need to learn these subjects before the "age of basic edification". What occurs with non-ageist nations that affirm all rights to those at the moment of birth, or otherwise very low ages of edification that could not possibly comply with this resolution?

Vance Aceon
Deputy Presiding Jevian WA Representative

2. Requires that before a citizen of a nation is older then their Age of Basic Edification that their government must through some sort of variation of education have provided...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A basic knowledge of financial mathematics and concepts, currency and economics that is appropriate to the economy of their nation;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

And how does this nation plan on complying to these requirements without waiting to teach citizens at an appropriate age (yet still before the biological definition of the Age of Basic Edification)?

Let me clarify: let's say the age of basic edification were 0. It would make it impossible for said nation to be compliant.

So you're saying if a species is born that has a fully developed mind at the time of birth, and whose age of majority is at the time of birth?

I don't like determined stats in proposals, but a quarter of the average life expediency of a citizen of their nation seems like it has potential as an additional definition for the Age of Basic Edification? No?

[Jey]

So you're saying if a species is born that has a fully developed mind at the time of birth, and whose age of majority is at the time of birth?

I don't like determined stats in proposals, but a quarter of the average life expediency of a citizen of their nation seems like it has potential as an additional definition for the Age of Basic Edification? No?

It needn't be an entirely new species. There is a line of thought that current laws that restrict voting to 18, driving to 16, and drinking to 21 (US laws just go with me) are "ageist" - they're applying an arbitrary age number to bestow additional rights to citizens. What about nations that do not apply "ageist" laws? May seem impractical, but I remember this theoretical nation coming up in UN debates in the past. I would be shocked if such a nation did not exist in the WA. And for these non-ageist nations, compliance with this draft is impossible.

[Unibot]

So you're saying if a species is born that has a fully developed mind at the time of birth, and whose age of majority is at the time of birth?

I don't like determined stats in proposals, but a quarter of the average life expediency of a citizen of their nation seems like it has potential as an additional definition for the Age of Basic Edification? No?

It needn't be an entirely new species. There is a line of thought that current laws that restrict voting to 18, driving to 16, and drinking to 21 (US laws just go with me) is "ageist" - it's applying an arbitrary age number to bestow additional rights to citizens. What about nations that do not apply "ageist" laws? May seem impractical, but I remember this theoretical nation coming up in UN debates in the past. I would be shocked if such a nation did not exist in the WA. And for these non-ageist nations, compliance with this draft is impossible.

Okay, let me think about this...

The point of deciding an age was to prevent nations from stalling on education till far later, or till they're likely to be dead.

1. Requires that a government must through some sort of variation of education have timely provided all citizens of their nation with...
• Comprehensive literacy skills and fluency in the official or popular language of their nation;
• An understanding of basic arithmetical operations, geometrics and fundamental mathematics;
• A basic knowledge of financial mathematics and concepts, currency and economics that is appropriate to the economy of their nation;
• A familiarity with their nation’s governmental policies, processes, civics, rights and freedoms;
• A fair and impartial recollection of historical national and international events, politics and society;
• An accurate understanding of ecological life, nature and the environment;
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;
• Knowledge of the geographical and/or astrographical characteristics of their surrounding environment, including natural, political and demographical characteristics;

Anything terrible with this?